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[00:00:00] Tammy Uzelac Hall: Let these words from Moroni sink into us just for a bit. Here we go. I speak unto you as if ye were present, and yet ye are not. But behold, Jesus Christ hath shown you unto me, and I know your doing. Wow! What do you think Jesus showed him? Like, what did he see? And as a result, what do you think Moroni is going to say to us?

What does he want us to know? Well, today's discussion of Mormon chapter seven through nine is going to answer these questions and hopefully whatever it is he has to say, we are prepared and ready to hear it. Welcome to the Sunday on Monday study group, a desert bookshelf plus original brought to you by LDS living, where we take the come follow me lesson for the week and we really dig into your scriptures together.

I'm your host, Tammy. Use a lock call. Now, if you're new to our study group, please follow the link in our description and it's going to explain how you can best use this podcast to enhance your come follow me study. Just like my friend Steve and Shanna Reid from Texas. Hey friends. I love meeting you, Shanna.

It was so fun. Now another awesome thing about our study group is each week we're joined by two of my friends, so it's always a little bit different. And today I am so excited to introduce you to Sarah Sargent, who's an oldie. She's been on a couple of times. Hi Sarah. Hi. Hi. Okay. Now, Sarah and I are thrilled to introduce you to a friend that we have in common.

And her name is Rochelle Sunderlage. Hello, Rochelle. Hey, how are you? Well, I told Rochelle today, she's very brave for being on the podcast because she was nervous, right? Very much so.

[00:01:36] Rachelle Sunderlage: Yes. This is like, it's totally stepping out of my comfort zone and into just, Okay, let's Go with the spirit. Let's test it.

[00:01:46] Tammy Uzelac Hall: Oh, I love that. Let's test it. Is this thing on? Does the spirit work? Hello. Oh my gosh. I think that's awesome. Okay. But this is so fun because I asked Rochelle to be on the podcast and then I looked her up on Facebook a while ago and I noticed that she has, she and I have a friend in common. So I reached out to Sarah.

I'm like, Sarah, how do you know Rochelle? That's how we all ended up together. So I want you to Sarah, tell the story about how you know Miss Rochelle.

[00:02:10] Sara Sargent Williams: So, um, I was living up in the same neighborhoods that Rochelle lives in. And I was single at the time and, um, we were in the same ward. And so I served with Rochelle in the primary.

She was our, um, fearless leader as the primary president. And during that time, we, I fell in love with the Rochelle and her darling family, Rick and her kids. Um, they really took good care of me as a single adult in a married church, and then they were very welcoming to my husband, who is not particularly social, and helped him to feel welcome.

And he fell in love with the Sunday religious, also especially Rochelle's lab. And I missed that laugh. I'm trying to keep it under

[00:02:56] Rachelle Sunderlage: control.

[00:02:56] Sara Sargent Williams: I just, please

[00:02:58] Susan Stanger: don't.

[00:03:01] Sara Sargent Williams: I sent Rochelle a picture that I have of my daughter because she knits. She's a very talented, uh, crafty. I don't know what it's knitting, crafting.

I don't know. But she made this newborn Charlotte, this beautiful pink sweater. And I, but I have a picture of her as an 18 month old where it still fits her because she was a two pound newborn baby. And it's so pretty and cute, and I tried to find it, but my storage room is too much ready for, um, an episode of Hoarders, and so I couldn't find it.

But I did

[00:03:33] Rachelle Sunderlage: keep it.

[00:03:33] Sara Sargent Williams: So

[00:03:33] Rachelle Sunderlage: sweet. That's so cute. I totally forgot that I had made that. And I just have to say that you, Sarah, Let me just say how brave and awesome you are at just like teaching me about the gospel. I was, um, I called you to be in the primary presidency with me and well, God calls you. I just, you know, got the answer and, um, that you were the one.

And not only did you say, oh, of course, but then I asked, this is back in the day of scouts. And I said, okay, so we do scouts and be in charge of that. And you just said, sure, no problem. And you just took it on. And I, that's just Sarah. Anything comes her way. Yeah, sure. This is me.

[00:04:17] Sara Sargent Williams: I don't even remember that part

[00:04:19] Rachelle Sunderlage: about being single and waiting to get married and having kids and being like, wait, she's still, she was single in the church.

Yeah. She said yes to primary and yes to helping Scouts do things that would have been hard for me.

[00:04:37] Tammy Uzelac Hall: Hard for anyone. I think you perfectly described Sarah because that is exactly her. Oh, sure. I'll figure it out. I don't know what I'm doing. I'm pretty sure when Sarah said yes to Scouts, that's when everybody on the other side of the veil is like, all right, everybody, I think she's done.

I think she's hit her limit. She just said yes to Scouts. Let's see what we can do to get her married. Let's get Shane in the

[00:04:57] Rachelle Sunderlage: picture.

[00:04:58] Tammy Uzelac Hall: That's right. Well, and I asked Sarah what she thought of you, Rochelle, because I said, how do you know her? And she wrote me the most beautiful text about you, and how great you are.

And so I was like, done, let's do this together. And then I thought, it's just a no brainer. The three of us should be on. So yeah, she had so many, it was, it was, It's a really beautiful text. So we're glad you're here. I'm

[00:05:17] Rachelle Sunderlage: grateful to be here. It's a privilege to be with you and to, I love discussing the gospel with Sarah and I love following you and listening to you.

And so I hope

[00:05:25] Tammy Uzelac Hall: to

[00:05:25] Rachelle Sunderlage: contribute. Thanks for asking. Oh,

[00:05:28] Tammy Uzelac Hall: I'm sure you will. And I don't know why I don't ever always think of this when I record, but I am right now that idea where two or three are gathered in my name that the spirit's guaranteed to be here. And I think we'll have that experience today. We get to talk about Jesus.

It's going to be really fun. Yeah. Thank you. So thank you. Thank you. For those of you listening, if you want to know more about my guests or see their pictures, make sure you check out their bios in our show notes, because those are at LDS living. com slash Sunday on Monday. Okay, so everyone, no matter how you're studying, we're just glad you're studying with us.

So grab your scriptures and something to mark your scriptures with, and let's dig into Mormon chapter seven through nine. Okay, you two right out of the gates. Tell me, what did the Holy Ghost teach you as you were reading through these chapters?

[00:06:12] Sara Sargent Williams: Um, for me, I really kind of focused in on, um, chapter 8 verses 1, 3, and 5.

But because Mormon, he's, he's, he's writing along and then all of a sudden this little boy takes over. And he's like, Hey guys, my dad's dead. And not only that, but all of my family's dead. So like, I just put myself in his position and be like, yeah, my dad's dead. And so is Shane. And so is Jim and Rick and, you know, all my family's dead Tatum and Anna and Slade and Charlotte.

And then, um, for me, because friendship was such a big part of my life, he says, all my kinfolks are dead. And all my friends. And that just would be so hard for me. I feel like I would just really just give up at that point. And I was impressed that he could persevere and realize I'm going to go any minute.

And there's some things I got to tell you guys. And so that just magnified the importance of the messages in these three chapters for me.

[00:07:16] Tammy Uzelac Hall: Thank you, Sarah. I'm already crying. Me too. How have I never noticed that before? Um, and I am, and especially when he says, I have not friends nor with her to go. Don't you think that's interesting that that's like the last thing?

Because he says, my family's gone. My kin folks are gone. But then he's like, I don't even have a friend. Um, and that, yeah, that's powerful because I, you're right, Sarah. So much of our friendship as we were alone, but we weren't because we had each other. Right. Um, I'm so grateful you pointed that out. I can't even imagine being at a place where I don't even have a friend that I could go in and be with to be safe with.

Wow. Thank you for pointing that out. I

[00:07:58] Rachelle Sunderlage: love that Sarah. Just to. Kind of add on to what Sarah said, you know, that definitely stood out to me and, um, it made me think about his ability to, to write only he only didn't include that much about his pain and suffering yet. That was all he knew. He just he told us this is my life, but I'm going to share with you the good news and.

His ability to actually see what was needed rather than what maybe, maybe he didn't feel like writing to anybody. You know, when you have no friends, you feel alone and you are looking for connection. It's you don't always want to just give back, you know, that's not like the natural thing to do. And I, um, rather go on maybe and think about.

He can go on and on and be justified in sharing how awful this is. And yet he turns it around and sees, well, what do these, what are these people going to need? Let me focus on that. So keeping his eye on Christ, I think is so powerful. And I mean, like Sarah said, just imagine you're alone, what do you, what do you do?

You know,

[00:09:13] Tammy Uzelac Hall: Rochelle, I liked that you pointed out that we know that he's suffering and how hard it is. I think sometimes a lot of us just go, Oh, you don't want to hear about me. Yeah. Ah, you don't need to know how hard it is for me. And we, we skip that part and jump right into doctrine. And I remember this last general conference that we just had.

In fact, Sarah, didn't you text me and say, did somebody send them a memo to share personal experiences? Yeah. Yeah. Makes it so much more real and like relatable. And I thought, she's right. There are so many personal experiences in this whole session of conference where rather than saying, you don't, you don't want to know about me, but I'm going to tell you what you need to do to be better.

They made it so relatable. Like here's how I've struggled and now let me tell you what works for me. And I think this will work for you. So yeah, I think both of you just nailed it with the way that Moroni is feeling right now. And so I appreciate you coming prepared to share that. That was awesome.

Because now that we have that frame of mind about. What's going on in his life and how Mormons feeling and how Moroni is and then Moroni to know what Moroni is experiencing It's going to be really helpful for us then to read What Mormons final words were to us and then what Moroni has to say to us?

And so we're going to do that in the next segment

I have one of the most iconic, I think, one of the most iconic Book of Mormon pictures for the two of you. I'm going to show it to you and will you describe to the listener what this picture is? And if any of you had a paperback Book of Mormon circa 1980 something, you will have remembered this. What's this picture of?

[00:10:52] Sara Sargent Williams: Is a picture of Mormon and we're on it. Gathered up the records. They're got a bunch of dead bodies laying all around them. Just

[00:11:02] Rachelle Sunderlage: looking out into the red sky and the fire and like all the death and.

[00:11:08] Tammy Uzelac Hall: It's the first time I've actually noticed the vultures in the sky. They look like vultures, like, because there's so many dead bodies

[00:11:15] Sara Sargent Williams: and you

[00:11:15] Tammy Uzelac Hall: can see them in the background.

[00:11:17] Sara Sargent Williams: Yeah. And I don't know that I'd ever noticed dead bodies before. They are. Yeah. Right. Look at that. If you zoom in too. Yeah. There, there's just a pile of dead bodies that I would not choose to lay there, but you know, there's nowhere else to go, I guess. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:11:36] Tammy Uzelac Hall: So this is, this painting was done by Arnold Friberg.

It's titled Mormon Bids Farewell to a Once Great Nation, and this picture is, you would want to put this in Mormon chapter seven. We are in the storyline in the Book of Mormon, where Mormon had the responsibility to a bridge, Right. And preserve the sacred scriptures. We now know as the book of Mormon. So imagine for a minute what Mormon may have felt as he was witnessing all of the sorrow and destruction that you guys just described that was caused by these crazy final battles between the Nephites and the Lamanites.

And before these battles then claim the life of Mormon, he concluded his writings and by teaching Moroni his son. And so Mormon is about to give the plates to his son. But before he does, he's going to write Mormon chapter seven. So let's look at his final words and get a pen so we can number some of the things that he said that were so important that I think we need to just really, like I said at the very beginning to let them sink in for a bit, because here's what Mormon wants us to know.

We are going to start in Mormon chapter seven, and he's saying in verse one, Behold, I would speak somewhat unto the remnant of this people who are spared, if it so be that God may give unto them my words. They may know the things of their fathers. And he says, yay, I speak unto you. He remnant of the house of Israel.

We know what House of Israel means. So when he says, I speak unto you, the remnant of the House of Israel, he's talking to us. So here's what he wants us to know, and we're gonna do verses two through six and we'll each take a verse, and as we go through, we're gonna kind of number some of the things that he wants us to know.

So we'll start with Rochelle and then we'll go Rochelle, Sarah, and me. And after you read your verse, just pause for a minute so we can number. And point it out. So go ahead, Rochelle. Okay. Verse two. Know ye that ye are of the house of Israel. So put a number one next to that. He wants us to know that we are of the house of Israel, which means we are a covenant keeping people.

We've entered into covenants with the Lord. And because of that, he's promised us blessings when we keep our covenant. So there's the first thing he wants us to know. Okay. Next verse three.

[00:13:48] Sara Sargent Williams: Know ye that ye must come unto repentance, or ye cannot be saved.

[00:13:52] Tammy Uzelac Hall: That's our number two thing. Put a number two next to verse three.

Repent or you cannot be saved. Okay, verse four. We have a couple in this verse. Know ye that ye must lay down your weapons of war. That's number three. The third teaching. Lay down your weapons of war. Number four is, and delight no more in the shedding of blood. And number five is, and take them not again, save it be that God shall command you.

So three things. Lay down your weapons of war. No longer delight in the shedding of blood and take them not again, unless God commands you to do that. So now we're going to read verse five and there are several teachings in verse five. So as we go through it, Rochelle is going to read it and then we'll go back and number them.

[00:14:37] Rachelle Sunderlage: Know ye that you must come to the knowledge of your fathers and repent of all your sins and iniquities and believe in Jesus Christ, that he is the son of God and that he was slain by the Jews. And by the power of the father, he hath risen again, wherefore, or whereby he hath gained the victory over the grave.

And also in him is the sting of deaths followed up.

[00:15:01] Tammy Uzelac Hall: Thank you. Okay, here we go. Number six that he wants us to know in verse five is know ye that you must come to the knowledge of your fathers. Number seven is repent of all your sins and iniquities. Number eight, believe in Jesus Christ. Number nine, by the power of the father, he hath risen again.

Or the idea of the resurrection, and he hath gained a victory over the grave. Number ten is, also in him is the sting of death swallowed up. Okay, verse six.

[00:15:35] Sara Sargent Williams: And he bringeth to pass the resurrection of the dead, whereby man must be raised to stand before his dead.

[00:15:41] Tammy Uzelac Hall: That's teaching number eleven, to the outside of verse six.

We know he bringeth about the resurrection, but that we will stand before his judgment seat. Okay. Verse seven says, and he hath brought to pass the redemption of the world, whereby he that is found guiltless before him at the judgment day, hath it given unto him to dwell in the presence of God in his kingdom, to sing ceaseless praises with the choirs above unto the father and unto the son and unto the Holy ghost, which are one God in a state of happiness, which hath no end.

So teaching number 12 is. After redemption, after Judgment Day, I love this, that we will sing ceaseless praises with the choirs above unto the Father and unto the Son and unto the Holy Ghost, which are one God in a state of happiness and hath no end. Okay, the last final teaching, highlight verse eight, because it's everything.

Repent. Be baptized in the name of Jesus. Lay hold upon the gospel of Christ, which shall set before you not only in this record, but also in the record, which shall come into the Gentiles from the Jews, which record shall come from the Gentiles unto you. All right. So knowing that we have these teachings right here, I asked my guests to read these and I'm just curious to know, why do you think Mormon thought these were important truths for us to know in our day?

And is there one that was more, the most meaningful? Is there one that really hit you like, yeah, that's so important. That you would teach your kids, I don't know, tell me your thoughts.

[00:17:07] Sara Sargent Williams: To me, and maybe, I just gave a talk last Sunday in one of the wards in our state about how important it is that the youth, so that includes my little 12 year old twins, understand that they're the house of Israel and of the covenants they've made and what a big deal those covenants are.

And sometimes they're so complicated or they seem so complicated that I think they don't really try to understand them that much because it seems overwhelming. But really, when you break it down, it's not that complicated. And so I tried to help in this talk, to help them understand that they're of the house of Israel, that the promise made to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob apply to them, why it matters for them today, you know, to be in the Lord's battalion, go to the temple and work on both sides of the veil to spread the gospel.

[00:17:57] Tammy Uzelac Hall: Let me ask you a follow up question. I want to know this, Sarah. What did, what did you say to them? Why does it matter today?

[00:18:04] Sara Sargent Williams: Um, it matters because they can find so much comfort in the temple and it's an important work because there's people waiting there. And I tried to help them to understand that, for one thing, they're already doing it.

The youth in our area have been flooding the temple on a regular basis and especially, um, the last couple of weeks. We had a, a young man passed away in our area that I did not personally know, but I know his friends and they're, they've had hundreds of kids going to the temple each day. I mean, sometimes there was like 86 or 82 kids within a 2 hour period.

According to the temple matron that would come and they'd have to open the chapel up down by the baptistery and kind of for a place for them to wait but also talk to these youths about their grief and how the temple can comfort them. And one of the reasons they were going is because this, this kid, this young man already went to the temple every week and invited his friends on a regular basis to go.

So if some of their friends that were kind of going astray, you would reach out and say, Hey, let's go to the temple on Tuesday. And so they could. They could start going down a better path. And then also this young man's mother said, you know, if you want to help, then go to the temple and do it for, for this, for Dawson.

And they really have responded to that in a way that has been amazing. And so I know that they're doing the right thing. I just want them to understand that they, I don't want them to feel guilty. Like they're, it's too hard. It's too overwhelming because they're already doing it. And I think a lot of the youth in our church are doing that.

Um, but I want them to understand the, the why behind what they're already doing.

[00:19:51] Tammy Uzelac Hall: Thank you, Sarah. I mean, as I'm looking over the list, things we just numbered, I'm like, they're doing all of these already. And I, I appreciate that you said we get caught up in the idea that everything we numbered is going to be so hard to believe in or do, and it's not. It, it really is just Tampa recommend right there is all of those.

You're doing it. You're doing a job. Well, I think the adversary would

[00:20:14] Sara Sargent Williams: want you to, the adversary would want you to say it's too hard. I can't, I can't pray, um, but they're already doing it. I think that we can then apply that to ourselves. Like there's a lot of things that we're already doing. And so, you know, my, one of my mottos is stay of guilt for sin.

Like you're already doing it. So don't feel bad. Just keep going. Keep on every morning. Do what you've been doing. Try a little harder to be a little better, but don't get marrowed down in sin or in guilt.

[00:20:47] Tammy Uzelac Hall: Amen. Yes. Amen. Thank you, Sarah. What about you, Rochelle? Mormon said a lot in here, so I'd love to know, is there one of the things we numbered that just really hit with you?

Like, oh yeah, that's a good thing to remember.

[00:21:01] Rachelle Sunderlage: Well, um, a couple things kind of come to mind, I guess. One that stands out is that in the midst of his, the picture you showed at the beginning, And the devastation he wants us to see this, like in verse seven, a state of happiness, which hath no end. And I just, I love that he, you know, he gives us like this list, you know, all these, there are these things that we have to do.

And like Sarah said, we could make them so hard and write them out and check them all off, but really. You know, stopping and realizing, well, you are doing those things, keep doing them. And this is the goal. This is what we want. And this is there. And it's for you. And it's for everyone. Whether you're of the house of Israel, or if you're a baptized member into Israel.

You know, the house of Israel. He's so inclusive. He's inviting everyone. And I think that no matter who you are, this is the message for you. And this is available for you wherever you are. Ooh, I like that. Especially in a world, you know, today we're really want to separate, look at differences so much and just know we all have the same things in common.

I just love every Everything that points us together, we're in this together. Yeah.

[00:22:23] Tammy Uzelac Hall: Okay. Let me ask you this then, Rochelle and Sarah, look at verse, because this one really struck me at verse four, because remember he's speaking to us and he says that you must lay down your weapons of war, delight no more in the shedding of blood, um, and don't take them up unless God shall command you.

So immediately we go to, okay, we can talk about weapons of war, guns, all that different kind of stuff. But for, for the kids in Idaho or people who are not, Really in a hand to hand combat, how does that verse apply to us today? Like what, what is a weapon of war for our teenagers?

[00:22:53] Rachelle Sunderlage: I think a lot of it is in your voice and what you say, and it's so hard.

I mean, it's hard for everybody. You got to think before you say things. And I think about people saying, Oh, I remember, I remember you. And they connect you to one thing you said. And you didn't really, you're like, Oh, I don't remember that about me. But you definitely come through just our tone of voice.

It's the way we settle things that don't invite people in. Just like, I don't know, I think of a teenager, like the way, the way you sit, you know, with your friends or your, or your shoulders all in, or you kind of like outward and like inclusive. I don't know. Just little things that mean so much.

[00:23:35] Tammy Uzelac Hall: That's great.

I wrote that right next to verse four, that our voice can be a weapon of war. You're absolutely right. Oh, that's good. What about you, sir?

[00:23:42] Sara Sargent Williams: Well, that makes me think of all the times I yell at my kids. My voice is a weapon, but, um, or I think anything that you're doing that shuts down the Holy Ghost or is your act of rebellion that, you know, whatever it is, the hardest thing for you to give up, that's your weapon of war.

And, you know, for some people that may be a word of wisdom issues or pornography issues or, you know, Being Close document spirit or I'm not going to kneel down to pray because I do everything else So why not that like whatever is the one thing that you don't want to do? That's probably your weapon

[00:24:17] Rachelle Sunderlage: Sarah that makes me think of like having to give up things like my Opinion of something like how I see it, you know, that, Oh, there is more to this situation, this person.

It's not all you don't, you can't see everything, but be willing to be like, Oh, okay. I'll give that my idea that I'm so sure about. Yeah. I'll look at their point of view or see it from their set of circumstances.

[00:24:50] Tammy Uzelac Hall: Yeah. That's so good. I appreciate that. Cause I was thinking about verse four. I don't have an answer for that, but I love your answers.

That is spot on. So let's go back into Mormon chapter seven, because all of the things we numbered will lead us to verse nine. Sarah, can you read verse nine for us? For behold, this

[00:25:07] Sara Sargent Williams: is written for the intent. That ye may believe that. And if you believe that, you will believe this also. And if you believe this, you will know concerning your fathers, and also the marvelous works which were wrought by the power of God among them.

[00:25:21] Tammy Uzelac Hall: Thank you. Highlight all the times you see believe in that verse. And all of these things can lead us to believe. Believe that he is. Believe in all things. Believe in the marvelous works. And then in verse 10, we have the word again, believe. To believe in Christ, and that's what he wants us to do. Mormon's just like, please do these things so you can believe and that is what's going to help you the most.

And that's all he has to say. That's how he's gonna finish out his record and then he's gonna pass the scriptures on. But before we go on, I just wanna know, and I just have this thought to ask you this, so it's right out of the cuff, I want you to say the first thing that comes to your mind. What is it that you believe of all the things you've been taught throughout your life?

What do you believe?

[00:26:08] Sara Sargent Williams: I believe that Jesus is the Christ and that he loves me and he will help me always.

[00:26:16] Tammy Uzelac Hall: That's awesome.

[00:26:17] Sara Sargent Williams: Thank you, Sarah.

[00:26:18] Tammy Uzelac Hall: Thank you.

[00:26:19] Rachelle Sunderlage: What about you, Rochelle? What do you believe? Yeah, I believe, um, I believe that he lives and we worship a living Christ who continually gives us what we need.

He gave us what we need as he sent here us to earth and we just have to look to him to find it. And I believe he's the way and the light and all truth points to him.

[00:26:49] Tammy Uzelac Hall: Thank you. I'm going to add my witness to yours. I believe that God loves me. And he loves me so much that everything he has given us in the Book of Mormon is just for us to return to him because he just doesn't want to lose any of us. And so in verse seven, the idea of singing with the choirs above now, listen.

I don't like the word choir. I have a hard time. It's Sarah's thing. It always was. I believe that people in the word choir will be in the choirs above. But anytime I've been in the word choir, I'm like, Heavenly Father, count this up. I showed up. I like to sing. I really do. I just, but this right here, I want to be part of that choir.

I want to sing unto the Father and unto the Son and unto the Holy Ghost. And I, I want to be in a state of happiness, which have no end. And I believe that can come by way of prayer. Just believing in Christ and believing in God. So I'd love to know what everybody's, I believe statements are. In fact, that might be my question.

I ask at the end of the week to just share, what do you believe of all the things you've been taught? Because I feel like when we all share what we believe, there's so many things to believe in that when we take all of our beliefs together. It strengthens us as a, as a people and as a community. Um, I don't know that we'll all believe in everything in this life that might not come to the next life, but I think every little bit of thing we do believe collectively makes us whole.

And so I appreciate both of you saying your, I believe statements. Okay, so there we have it. We have this idea of what Mormon wants for us. So in the next segment, we're going to read what Moroni then has to say to us, and he sees us and here's what he has to say. We'll do that next.

Now going back to how we started with Moroni's chilling statement in Mormon chapter eight, verse 35. So turn to verse 35 so you can mark this and highlight it. Rochelle, will you read verse 35 for

[00:28:50] Rachelle Sunderlage: us? Sure. Behold, I speak unto you as if you were present and ye are not, but behold, Jesus Christ has shown you unto me and I know you're doing.

[00:29:03] Tammy Uzelac Hall: Thank you. Now, Moroni explains that the Nephite record, the book of Mormon, it's going to come forth in a day of wickedness. So I asked my guests to read and mark throughout the book of Mormon that we're in in these chapters. What did you find when it comes to how Moroni described how wicked the people are?

Like, what are we talking about? and just yell out the verse and read it for us.

[00:29:27] Rachelle Sunderlage: 27. Um, and it shall come in a day when the blood of saints shall cry into the Lord because of secret combinations and the works of darkness.

[00:29:37] Sara Sargent Williams: Like in 29, um, 31, it just feels to me like watching the nightly news where yeah, it shall come in a day when there shall be heard of fires, tempests, vapors of smoke in foreign lands.

And there shall also be heard of wars, rumors of wars and earthquakes in diverse places. It shall come in a day when there shall be great pollutions upon the face of the earth. There shall be murders and robbings, flying, beatings. Um, I mean, that is right now, every day, I mean, just this summer, you've got Yellowstone having these weird explosions, there's fires all over in Western Idaho and Oregon,

[00:30:21] Rachelle Sunderlage: the

[00:30:22] Sara Sargent Williams: horrible hurricane in North Carolina, you got sex traffickers, I mean, everywhere, it's just like, this is horrible, turn the news off and just put your head down, don't let your kids hear.

Mm hmm.

[00:30:34] Tammy Uzelac Hall: It's too scary. It's a really

[00:30:37] Sara Sargent Williams: good point. Don't let your kids hear it. Very good. Yes. It's like rated R. The news is rated R and I don't want them to have to worry about it.

[00:30:44] Tammy Uzelac Hall: Oh, very good. You're absolutely right. Those are some scary and chilling verses. For me, verse 28, when he talks about, it will come in a day when the power of God shall be denied and churches become defiled and lifted up in the pride of their hearts.

Even a day when leaders of churches and teachers shall rise in the pride of their hearts, even to the envying of them who belong to their churches. I mean, when, when I was reading these and he's writing this down, we have to remember he's not describing his day. He is so appropriately describing ours.

And he wants us to know, because he, because remember at the end he goes, remember, He showed me your day. I have seen it and here's what it looks like. But then he says to us, and there's going to be a book that will come forth and it's the Book of Mormon. And now my question to you guys was why in the world and why would you convince somebody that the Book of Mormon is needed in our day?

And I love how in this last general conference we heard the talk about how the Book of Mormon and the Bible combined together, witness of Christ. Tell me what your thoughts were about that idea. Why do we need the Book of Mormon in our day and not just the Bible? Well, I think the Book

[00:31:52] Sara Sargent Williams: of Mormon teaches us a lot of the inner characteristics, right?

And also of the knowledge that he loves all of his people, not just the people in Jerusalem and the people in this continent, lots of other places that we don't really maybe even know about yet. Yeah.

[00:32:14] Rachelle Sunderlage: I think that's a really good answer. It's. Important to know that, like, I think about how, like, at the scene of an accident or something, if there's 1 1st, there's 1 person, there's 1 witness who says what they saw.

But if there's 2 people. Guaranteed, they're going to be able to see more and to see differently. But to see the same thing that yeah, this happened. Yeah, there's an accident. We are both aware of that and testified that and then this is what I saw. It's just important to have a living prophet and continual revelation to build upon.

[00:32:49] Tammy Uzelac Hall: Wow. I like how you said they are going to be able to see more. More Christ. Wow. I like that.

[00:32:57] Sara Sargent Williams: Well, I just think, man, I would be discouraged if I was Moroni and he's just seen all this wickedness. The Lord shows him our day, which is significantly blessed. I mean, we really are spoiled a huge percentage of us and, and then he sees all the wickedness.

I would just be like, I'm banging my head if I were him. But the benefit is that we get To if we will see what happens leading up to the coming of Christ and hopefully learn a lesson from how people get caught up in pride and wickedness and not let that happen to us. It's right here on the pages. Don't do this.

Please don't do this.

[00:33:40] Rachelle Sunderlage: If we'll listen. Well, in verse 31, I stood out to me is that part that, um, at the end, do this, do that. It mattereth not because our choices do matter. I mean, you can see our earth is. Physically suffering is what we're, our choices and our history is a part of everyone's history and.

You know, that's a hard thing to swallow sometimes you think, Oh, no, no big deal. This is just doesn't affect anybody. But in reality, we are all connected and part of the human history.

[00:34:18] Tammy Uzelac Hall: I put to the outside of that Rochelle YOLO because my daughter said that the other day to me YOLO and I thought, do this or do it doesn't matter.

You only live once, but the thing that they say now is do it for the plot. Because I was like, you can't do that. And my daughter who's 17, she goes, mom, it's not a big deal. Just do it for the plot. And I was like, what? And she goes, yeah, it just makes, it's a really good story. Then you'll have a good story to tell.

And I'm like, yeah. And then you're, and then you're in jail. That's a great story to tell. I mean, not that she really would cause she's such a good kid, but there really is something about this. Do this or do that. And it matter if not.

[00:34:55] Sara Sargent Williams: Wow. Well, I love the Elder Suarez talk about that. Yeah. And several people.

Spoken conference about it does matter. Mm-Hmm. . It does. And the world does not wanna hear you say that. And they're gonna blast you for it. And they're gonna come down about, don't judge me, and all that stuff, which we shouldn't give final judgment to anyone, but our actions do matter.

[00:35:17] Rachelle Sunderlage: Mm-Hmm? .

[00:35:19] Tammy Uzelac Hall: Yeah. Because right here it says.

For those who say, do this or do that for the Lord will uphold such at the last day. That is striking to me. When you hear that word uphold right there, the thing that we're talking about right there is he's going to hold you accountable. That's what that means. I love that. Can you imagine when the Lord's like, so tell me, tell me what that was about.

Why'd you decide to do that? And you're going to have to reason with that, with the Lord, like YOLO, God, God,

[00:35:48] Sara Sargent Williams: God, Well, we did it for the plot. And there may be some people who really don't understand, and so there will be mercy for those people who truly don't understand, but a huge percentage of people who are crying out YOLO as not a joke, because I know, um, Lily's just kidding, but yes, they do know.

They just don't change. They don't want to lay down their weapons. And so. They're going to say in this, it doesn't matter. Don't worry about it. Gosh, don't be such a prude. You're old fashioned. Your rules are, you know, too heavy, whatever. But they know a lot of them do know

[00:36:28] Tammy Uzelac Hall: they absolutely do know. And so it just makes sense right here when he's saying, you're going to want this record.

You're going to want to make sure that you read this book of Mormon, that the words that we're writing, and we're going to talk more about these words in our last segment, but to know that they are here for us in our day and how beneficial they will be for everyone and not just those who believe. But in the next segment, Marona is going to talk to those who don't believe and what's going to help them before the savior comes.

So we'll talk about that next.

Okay. So I have a question for both of you. I asked you to think about this word and I want to know what is a cynic? to you. Help me define this word in everyday life. A cynic.

[00:37:20] Sara Sargent Williams: I think a cynic is someone who shoots down everything just for the sake of their talent of being extremely negative.

[00:37:30] Tammy Uzelac Hall: Mm hmm. Oh, that's good.

I like that.

[00:37:31] Sara Sargent Williams: Nailed it. I got

[00:37:32] Rachelle Sunderlage: nothing to add. Iris wrote, not open to change. Oh, that's good too. Not open to change. Not open to our own opinions. Sacrificing our own opinions to see God's truth.

[00:37:49] Tammy Uzelac Hall: Okay. Your descriptions of cynic is so good. Now, let's just recap. They said, shoots down everything. I love that Sarah said that.

Shoots down everything. And then Rochelle, to, to sacrifice your own opinions to see God's truth. Those could not be better definitions as we're going into the chapter of Mormon, chapter nine. Let's look at verse one, because in Mormon chapter nine, Moroni is speaking and he says, and now I speak also concerning those who do not believe in Christ.

So now he's saying, okay, just spoke to people who are going to be believing the book of Mormon and I want them to know why it's so important. Coming forth in this day. Now, those of you who don't believe in the Book of Mormon, I just want to speak to you. And verse two then says, behold, will you believe in the day of your visitation?

Behold, when the Lord shall come, he even that great day when the earth shall be rolled together as a scroll, he says, basically, listen, are you going to believe when finally Jesus shows up? Is that what this is about? And then he's going to spend the rest of Mormon chapter nine saying, let me see if I can help you.

Let's get you to a place where you might be able to believe before Jesus comes. And he uses one specific thing to preach to them. Now, before we get into that, we're going to read this quote. And I think this quote perfectly sums up a little bit about our day in the unbelievers. It's by Elder Uchtdorf.

And Sarah, will you read this quote, please?

[00:39:08] Sara Sargent Williams: Sir, Satan, our adversary, wants us to fail. He spreads lies as part of his effort to destroy our belief. He slyly suggests that the doubter, the skeptic, the cynic, is sophisticated and intelligent, while those who have faith in God and his miracles are naïve. Blind or brainwashed.

Satan will advocate that it is cool to doubt spiritual gifts and the teaching of true prophets. Heavenly father is prepared for his children, a spiritual thi offering every kind of exquisite food imaginable, and yet, instead of enjoying these spiritual gifts, the Cy. Okay,

[00:39:52] Tammy Uzelac Hall: keep that quote in your mind for a minute, because go back into Mormon chapter nine, and here's what I want you to do.

Grab something to mark your scriptures with and bracket off verses seven through nine And write the word cynic next to it. Seven through nine perfectly describes the cynicism and that people won't believe. And they're not going to believe specifically in verse 10 and 11 in a God of miracles. That's the thing that Satan does not want us to believe in.

It's the little thing that the, the Lord is saying, look, to those of you who don't believe in Christ, are you going to wait till he shows up? Well, if you are, let me help you out. Let's start just with little miracles. If you can believe in miracles, then maybe you can believe in God. For the rest of this chapter, bracket off verses 10 all the way through 21 verses 10 through 21.

And here's what you're going to write to the outside. It's called a powerful treatise in defense of a God of miracles. And I love how Andrew Skinner and Kelly Ogden title it for us. Powerful treatise in defense of a God of miracles. Because Moroni is going to write miracle story after miracle. He's going to give us a whole example and talk to us about the importance of miracles.

That God has not ceased to be a God of miracles. And he'll just say that and speak to us about the power of miracles. Now let's read verses 18 through 20. And Rochelle, can you read those three verses for us, please?

[00:41:32] Rachelle Sunderlage: And who shall say that Jesus Christ did not do many mighty miracles? And there were many mighty miracles wrought by the hands of the apostles.

And if there were miracles wrought then, why has God ceased to be a God of miracles, and yet be an unchangeable being? And behold, I say unto you, he changeth not. If so, he would cease to be God. And the reason why he ceaseth to do miracles among the children of men is because they That they dwindle in a belief and depart from the right way and know not the God in whom they should trust.

Thank

[00:42:11] Tammy Uzelac Hall: you. So let's take this idea right here. We have these miracles and I want us to go back to this quote and I would love to know what were some of the thoughts you had as you were reading this in light of the world we live in?

[00:42:22] Sara Sargent Williams: I think that Satan wants us to doubt everything. And I think that the more that you doubt, the more it's kind of like a habit or a muscle that, that if you're, if you only practice doubt, then you become really good at doubting.

And the opposite is true. If you practice faith and you recognize and give credit to the Holy Ghost and to God on the little things, then that is the muscle that grows. Um, I think that verse 20, according to the gospel of Sarah Sargent, it kind of reads wrong because it's like, the reason that miracles cease among the children of men is because they dwindle from unbelief.

I personally, this is not doctrine, I personally don't think that miracles have stopped. I just think, I think if God is unchanging, then how could he then cease? Stop doing this thing for a moment of time. I just think that the miracles are still happening, but no one will give credit where credit is due because they're cynics.

[00:43:23] Tammy Uzelac Hall: Read verse 21.

[00:43:24] Sara Sargent Williams: You're absolutely right. Behold, I say unto you that who still believeth in Christ, doubting nothing, whatsoever he shall ask the Father in the name of Christ, it shall be granted him. And this promise is unto all, even unto the ends of the earth.

[00:43:38] Tammy Uzelac Hall: Why does that make you emotional?

[00:43:40] Sara Sargent Williams: Well, because Tammy, I don't know if you remember this, but this is my favorite verse of scripture, only it just recurs a lot of time.

And it got me through a lot of lonely nights in my back end housing apartment with the turquoise carpet and, uh, a paper where it's just like, Heavenly Father is going to bless you with the things that you ask for when you ask for the right thing. And I can remember the very first time I was on your podcast with good old Riley and that I got emotional during the same scripture, but it was when it was in.

[00:44:13] Tammy Uzelac Hall: Venus.

[00:44:13] Sara Sargent Williams: And it's the same things like whatever you ask when you don't doubt and it's the right thing to be asking for. Our Heavenly Father will give it to you. But in this case, you just need to give him credit.

[00:44:28] Tammy Uzelac Hall: Oh, thank you, Sarah. In fact, I love that verse 27 is next to verse 21 because read verse 27.

[00:44:36] Sara Sargent Williams: Oh, then despise not and wonder not, but hearken unto the words of the Lord and ask the Father in the name of Jesus for what things so every shall stand in need. Doubt not, but be believing and begin as in times of old and come unto the Lord with all your heart and work out your own salvation with fear and trembling before.

[00:44:56] Tammy Uzelac Hall: It's almost like you could highlight across the page those two verses together. They just go hand in hand right there. And in verse 26, this is a fun one and this is a Hebraism. It's called theme words. But if you look at verse 26, grab your highlighter. And every time you see the word who, highlight it.

And now behold, who can stand against the works of the Lord? Who can deny His sayings? Who will rise up against the almighty power of the Lord? Who will despise the works of the Lord? Who will despise the children of Christ? Behold, all ye who,

And so what's

[00:45:37] Sara Sargent Williams: it called? A Hebrew ism of

[00:45:38] Tammy Uzelac Hall: what called a Hebrew ism called theme words. And so oftentimes in a verse of scripture there will be a word repeated like that, like the word who to emphasize the idea like who, who will do this? Because remember he's speaking to people who don't believe. And now more, right?

Saying, Oh, Who of you will not believe a lot of us will not believe because Satan, I just think the end of that thing where he says that the cynics, they are, they content themselves with observing from a distance, sipping from their cups of skepticism and doubt and disrespect. I think that's what we've done today in the world is that when miracles happen, I like how both of you in your description of a cynic, when miracles happen today, sometimes we shoot down everything.

And we're negative, like, Oh, no, that wasn't a miracle. It just happened that way. Are you sure are lucky. Um, and, and Rochelle, I like how a lot of times when miracles happen, we're, we aren't willing to sacrifice our own opinions to see God's truth. And the reality is it's a miracle. I've been thinking a lot about this since we studied the New Testament, because when you read the New Testament, you have the big, awesome miracles that happened, that Jesus performed.

And we love those stories. And I wonder sometimes if when the. New Testament was being written by the apostles, and they were writing down the stories of Jesus. I wonder if they cut out some of the everyday miracles because they just didn't have enough room or space. And they thought, let's just put the big miracles.

So we convince people that the Savior can do these big things. But I wonder, I don't know. If I were to write a scripture, I would hope that we could also write all the little miracles. I wonder if there were just more everyday miracles that we thought we just don't have enough space to write it because it's the everyday miracles I think get us to the really big miracles.

And it's like you said, Sarah, and I love that idea that it's a muscle that doubt is a muscle or faith is a muscle. And the more you use it, the more you recognize the everyday miracles, then you'll be able to really see God's hand in your life so that maybe when you don't get the big miracle answered, you can go.

It's okay. I want to focus on this idea of everyday miracles. And I asked both of my guests to come prepared to share an everyday miracle story. We all have big miracles for sure, but I love the little miracles, the everyday miracles. So we'll start with you, Rochelle, and then we'll go to Sarah. Uh, do you, you have an everyday miracle story you could share?

Sure.

[00:47:57] Rachelle Sunderlage: Um, the one that like came to my mind five, 10 years ago, we were at a, just a church I was serving in the stake and women's at the time. And. I had an opportunity to attend a teacher council training during that, um, during the second hour of Sunday school. At the time, my husband was serving in a busy calling and I just, I didn't get to see him very much.

And I just, I was raising teenagers and, you know, so I was going to go to gospel doctrine so that I could sit by him cause I never, you know, I didn't get that very often. And, but I just felt prompted, like, no, you should go to this teacher training and I thought, well, I'm late. You know, I don't want to go.

That's embarrassing. I hate being late and I just decided, no, you need to go. So go. So, I walked in and the discussion had already started and I sat down quietly and listened. And the class was discussing ways to teach effectively and how to know. Your class and the individuals you teach. And I just, I raised my hand and shared a comment that came to my mind about 3rd Nephi.

In 3rd Nephi, the Savior is visiting and teaching the Lamanites when he tells them that it's time for him to return to his father and fulfill other commandments he has been given. Then he pauses and he looks at the people and he perceives their heart's desire for him to stay with them a little longer.

And then the Savior has compassion on them and he stays. And his example of being in tune with the people that he's teaching and their needs is such a beautiful example to me. I'm loving knowing those you're teaching and serving and letting the spirit guide you that I just shared that thought and then the discussion went on and at the end of class elder Callister, who was visiting our class.

He made some closing remarks and he asked us to think of a teacher in our lives who had affected us deeply. Then he invited a few people who we hadn't heard from during the class to share their experience. As he was wrapping up, he looked out over at me directly and said, Rochelle, thank you for your comment and bringing the focus back to the scriptures.

As he called me by my first name, he said it. Like my father in heaven would like he really knew me I had never met him before I walked in late After the introductions and no one had said my name during the entire class and I was so filled with the love of Christ And, um, such a testimony to me that I needed that at that point in my life, um, he didn't know I needed that, but to hear my name, I'd kind of be feeling just, you know, disappearing when you have teenagers and you're just busy running and you're just doing all the things for everybody else.

And. But to hear somebody call my, me by name and have it sound like that to me, I know it was an absolute miracle, and strengthened me, and I have no doubt that it was God saying, Rochelle, I love you.

[00:51:10] Tammy Uzelac Hall: I have no doubt. I love that story. What an incredible, and we call it an everyday miracle, but as you said that story, I felt the spirit.

What a great story. I wrote that down, that he called me by name, just the power of that. Rachele, thank you for sharing that. Very cool story. I thought that was great. Thank you. Sarah, what's your everyday miracle?

[00:51:36] Sara Sargent Williams: Well, uh, I think When you asked that, I, um, I wrote down a lot like this is, I have like all these bullet points.

I've worked really hard in the last couple of years to a level of obnoxiousness to any time I feel the Holy Ghost, um, whisper to me or give me an answer to like, call that out loud so that my kids and my kids friends will recognize like, Oh, this should be happening for me also. And So I've really been practicing recognizing and giving credit to the Holy Ghost and to these little miracles.

So there was a lot I wrote down. I don't know which one to share. I will just say, uh, maybe two little ones. One is super tiny, but it was recently my birthday and it's, it was my first birthday since my mother passed away in April, which everyone has to lose a parent. I know I'm not the only person who's gone through this.

Mine was significantly worse than anyone else on this planet. But, um, For 52 years, my mom has always made me the same birthday cake, which is very specific and, um, My little daughter asked me, what do you want for your birthday? And I just said, I just want my mom to make my birthday cake, you know, and no big deal.

She, Charlotte's not a person who would, who knows how to cook and we had a busy weekend. Unbeknownst to me, she texted my brother in law on my husband's phone and just said, Uncle Kent, will you help me with this? And so We have this busy Sunday and we're running around and someone knocks on the door in the afternoon and there's my brother in law standing with this oatmeal carrot cake with this broiled on frosting that my mom made me every year.

And it was just So silly. I mean, this stupid cake was just unreasonably important to me. And so that, that came to my mind was just my little girl helping to facilitate that. And I'm sure my mom was, was at play with that. Um, when I was 12, my dad had recently been made the bishop and our ward went to do baptisms for the dead.

Very soon after I had just barely turned 12 and he had just been made the bishop and that's the backstory My dad served his mission in Finland And it was a really hard, hard mission. People were not interested in a religion as a whole. That's when you went for two and a half years cause you didn't have the MTC.

So they just, you know, threw on another six months for the joy of learning a mission without being taught, but I mean, learning a language and, you know, he got robbed his first week there. He, you know, six months in, he just, my dad, who is not a complainer, there's nobody that can, But his head down and work like van sergeant, but he sat on the edge of the street and just appalled because he couldn't even say, I'm a, I'm a missionary for the church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints and finished.

It was just super frustrating. He didn't have any baptisms. He didn't really even have any first discussions. Some street context, just two and a half years of grinding it out with no success. And so he never really talked about that a lot. It wasn't a super motivating topic as you're trying to teach your kids to go on a mission.

But I just knew that that was the case. So that's the backstory. So we're in the Idol Falls Temple. He's doing baptisms for the dead the first time as a bishop. I go in first because I'm his little girl and I'm sure I nosied my way right up to the front. We go down into the font. This is before you really took your own family names because there wasn't the internet or anything yet.

Hadn't been invented. So they, the recorder, you know, slides those names into that secret camera that shows up on the TV and all these names are Finnish names. There's like 200 Finnish names that my dad stood in the water and baptized all of his youth in his ward. And you cannot tell me that that was a coincidence, that in Idaho Falls, Idaho, here's 200 Finnish names.

Just, just go ahead. That, that was just a miracle that let my dad know, like, it wasn't in vain. Two and a half years of grinding this out, it mattered. And I'm so grateful to be there in the water and witness that, and I will never forget that. Wow.

[00:56:00] Rachelle Sunderlage: Oh,

[00:56:01] Tammy Uzelac Hall: normal. Any of

[00:56:01] Rachelle Sunderlage: us? No.

[00:56:02] Tammy Uzelac Hall: Sarah. So beautiful. Both of your stories.

I wasn't prepared to be so emotional today and feeling the spirit so strong. Oh my goodness. I like this idea of the challenge to, and sorry, I'm just quoting you again, that doubt and faith are muscles. And we just have to decide which one we're going to work on. I feel like the challenge for all of us could be, and it's what you've been doing, Sarah, is to try obnoxiously to point out every time something good happens to claim it as a miracle rather than, aren't we lucky?

Isn't that cool? Wow. Or what a coincidence, because in fact, now I'm thinking of this, this is my everyday miracle that I've had. And Sarah knows this about me. Like, my schedule is busy. It's very busy. It's ridiculous busy. Are there things I could say no to? Sure. Am I going to? No, I'm not. And so, my calling right now has gotten bigger than I thought it would be.

And so now I'm teaching an institute class on Wednesday nights. And I alternate every other night with a teacher. And I said yes to help this person out, and I love to teach, and I can, I can do it. And so I remember sitting there thinking, I have so much on my plate. I need a personal assistant, not that I would ever hire one, but I wish I, that was like a little wish in my mind.

And I'm like, boy, Heavenly Father, if I could afford one thing, it would be a personal assistant helpless sister out because I cannot schedule. And I also committed to speaking events back in like February and March that were now starting to happen. And they happen to fall on a Wednesday night, Relief Society activity nights.

And I was starting to feel so overwhelmed. And finally, I'm like, okay, I've just got to sit down and schedule out the next four months. I'm sure I'm going to have to disappoint someone because there's no way I can do everything. And I was feeling so much anxiety about this. So I printed off copies of the calendars and I went through an input every Wednesday that I have to teach.

I have to teach in the Morning Institute. And then the night institute and then all the times when I have agreed to speak and then all my family events that I have going on and things with my kids. And I did this calendar and I sat back and sobbed because there's not one Wednesday that I had to quit or cancel.

And I was like, God is the best planner ever. There's no way I could have planned this better. In fact, it's planned so perfectly that even the person I'm I'm teaching with. He's like, listen, there's a couple Wednesdays when I can't go every other. So I'm going to have to teach two in a row here. And like the schedule is upsetting.

There are things that like as a human brain, I would never have been able to coordinate. And it coordinated perfectly to the point that after I got my schedule done, my Lily comes to me and says, mom, I want to do senior pictures. Can you schedule them? And I gave her the name of the woman who's going to take the pictures.

And Lily says to me, mom, are you available on the ninth of back in October? And I go, What night of the day or not? What day of the week is it? She goes, It's a Wednesday. And I was like, Ah, probably not because I'm teaching. And I looked at my calendar. It's the only Wednesday in the month that I am a free, that I get to just drop everything and go be with my daughter.

And I just think that's a miracle. There's no way to explain coincidence or just good luck. That for sure is God who months ago knew that I was going to need help. And he's like, all right, let me help you out. And it just works. It works. And so I love that challenge, Sarah. I am going to take it this next year.

And I'm going to just be obnoxious about noticing everything that's a miracle. So that's our challenge to everyone listening. Let's be obnoxious as we recognize, because I go back to that verse, like who, who can stand against the works of the Lord? Not me. Who's going to deny his sayings? Not me. Who will rise up against the almighty power of the Lord?

Not me. Look at that verse 26. I mean, I'm the, I want to be the opposite of all of those. For the next year, I'm going to stand up for the works of the Lord, and I'm going to recognize his sayings and his power in all things. And so that's our challenge to everyone listening is to do that, to find the miracles.

And so in the next segment, I've invited some guests to come and share their everyday miracle stories that are just little things that you would chalk up as being good luck or a coincidence. But really, truly, God is aware of us. And these are everyday miracles. We'll do that next.

So I've invited three of my friends to share their everyday miracle stories. I just wanted it to be something that we could all relate to. The big aha miracles are awesome, but it's the little everyday miracles we forget about. And so I'm really excited for you to hear their everyday miracle stories.

We're going to start out first with my good friend, Susan Stanger.

[01:00:42] Susan Stanger: Hi, my name is Susan Stanger and this is my everyday miracle story. A few days ago, a group of friends and colleagues of mine from Germany, um, gathered for a dinner together. We hadn't seen each other for about a year or so. And so we were so excited.

I'm so excited to get together and laugh and just remember funny stories and we've traveled together before. So we had so much fun. We went up to the mountains and had a great dinner. And then afterwards we were walking to the car and one of the ladies, Karen, took me by the arm and just said,

Susan, you probably don't remember this, but when my dad passed away last January. He sent me a text, and it meant so much to me, and she said, you know, I felt your love and that you understood exactly what I was going through. Well, in that moment, my heart just swelled, you know, I had forgotten about the text, of course, of course, and a month before the passing of Karin's father, I lost my own father, and so just that feeling and weight of absence was heavy.

And I had sent Karin a message, just hoping to let her know that I love her and give her a little comfort. And she continued as we were walking and in the dark, um, and she just said, I'm sorry I didn't respond, you know, when you texted me, but I just wanted you to know how much your message meant to me.

And so we cried together and hugged and talked about how we had to figure out a new normal without our parents. And, and, Just, you know, you know, when you cry with someone you just, I don't know, love just flows a little bit more freely and sharing of vulnerability, you know, I just, I just felt strength and an understanding that maybe that we're never truly alone.

And I guess that was a miracle for me that day because that morning. You know, before I met my German friends, I had driven by my parents house that's now sold, and I just felt a wave of just sadness and loneliness and just surreal that they're not here. But that evening with Karin, I just had a simple, heartfelt connection, and it reminded me That love can bridge distances, it can soothe our pain, and, and just create a shared sense of belonging.

[01:03:20] Bruce Adams: Hi, my name is Bruce Adams and here's my Everyday Miracle Story. December 17th, 2017, early in the morning, I woke up with a, wasn't quite sure what woke me up, but as I got up out of bed and started walking around, I had very strong pains in my, in my chest and my back. And I remember going out to the family room and walking around and, uh, those pains were there and I was thinking to myself that, uh, you know, I'm not the type of type of person who would go to the hospital, uh, you know, one of those guys who kind of rubs a little dirt on it and, uh, just goes back to work.

But as I stood there, I knew something was wrong and I remember very clearly saying to my mind. As I'm kind of holding a little discussion with myself is Bruce, you can't do this to Lynette. Lynette's my wife and I, I was a little embarrassed about maybe going to the hospital and finding out that there was no real problem.

Just something in my mind or as Lynette said, indigestion. So I went and woke Lynette up, told her I needed to go to the hospital. We got together, I got dressed and we headed out. We opened the garage door, and we went and backed out, and the next thing we knew, the garage door wouldn't go down. So, I'm in the middle of a supposed heart attack, and I hop out and pull the cord on the door and pull it down.

And then we're, uh, driving up to Alderview Hospital, and we get about halfway there, and this is about 3. o'clock in the morning, and we hit a red light, and I'm saying to Lynette, Lynette just run that light and she says, I'm not running a light. I'm not going to run through a red light. So, we eventually got to the Alderview Hospital and when we walked in, one of my is having chest pains and they immediately gave me a baby aspirin and a nitro tablet and did an EKG.

And as they did that, they said the EKG was inconclusive. So, they called the cardiologist on call and he told them, To send me over to the IMC by ambulance, everything went fine on the whole way over and this is where I think kind of the miracles begin to happen. Not not only I thought it was a miracle that, uh, I was woken up and knew that something was wrong and I needed to deal with it.

But when we got to the hospital, the nurse came in and said the doctor was preparing the cath lab and asked the paramedics to stay with me for a minute while she went and checked on things. And the next thing I remember is I kind of had. Kind of a hot flash and then that was the last thing that, uh, I remember happening, uh, for several hours as I, um, went through, um, things that the doctor had written and as, uh, Lynette had talked to the doctor, kind of the events that happened is I'd gone into cardiac arrest when I kind of blacked out there.

Luckily, the paramedics were there and they started CPR. As I was reading about what actually happened, they defibrillated me three times and brought me back and, uh, next thing I know, I'm waking up in the, in the, uh, cath lab and the doctors talking to me and telling me to calm down and that things are all right.

Um, one of the miracles that happened in addition to that is, as the doctor was trying to put the stents in, he had the catheter in my, in my veins or my artery trying to make it up to the left side of my heart and he could not get the catheter to go through. He knew that he was running out of time when you have a heart attack like that, or going to cardiac arrest, your thing you're most worried about is damage to the heart.

And so he thought about maybe trying to pull it back out and going into my leg instead of through my arm, but he knew that he was running out of time. So he, he said to Lynette that he pulled it out a little ways, said a quick prayer, and when he pushed it through again, it made the acute corner and made it into where he was going to place the catheters.

You know, it's one of those things that, uh, as I woke up, I, I really didn't have any idea what had happened as far as, uh, the things I'd been through, but both the doctors and the, the paramedics, uh, later told us that it was a night of miracles, that I was in the right place at the right time, and that I was essentially saved and given another chance of these lifesaving miracles.

I think this is Tammy, probably the first time that I've, uh, shared this with other people than just my immediate family and close friends. I've always been just a little nervous about sharing things like this because I know so many people that have not had these miracles in their life, life saving miracles, and I've often wondered and asked myself, why did this happen to me and not them?

And, uh, I'd like to say I have an answer, but I don't really feel like I do have an answer. I know that there's been great things that have happened in my life over the last seven years. For me and my family. But, uh, you know, I had a, my father in law, he died about a year before this incident was having an open heart surgery.

Very good man, very worthy man, but his, his time had come and he passed on. And then about two years after I have a older brother who died of a heart attack while he was out raking leaves with his grandson. And I said, I don't know why the Lord chose to let me live additional time. But what I do know. Is that we may not all have life saving miracles, but I think we're all entitled to life changing miracles.

As we go about our lives, we listen to the Holy Ghost. The Holy Ghost directs us for things that we can do. That'll make these miracles happen in our life to those people around us, and we'll also use us to make miracles happen in other people's lives. And I have a very strong testimony of that, and I know that the Lord loves me, loves my family, and loves all of us.

And if we ask, And listen to the Holy Gospel. We'll have those opportunities.

[01:09:35] Melody Larsen: Okay. Hi, my name is Melody Larson and I'm from Mesa, Arizona, and this is my everyday miracle story. I think that in our lives, we ask the question, are you really there? God? And my miracle was not only hearing him, but really seeing a witness that he is there and it happened on last year.

It's hard because it's been a rough year. It's been a hard year for my business. My husband and I, we've been in business for 15 years, worked really hard in our business. And a year ago, we, um, got our, our accounts, every single one of our accounts hacked. Some hackers hacked into them and basically wiped us out of everything.

It was hard for me because we were going into general conference, and I'm thinking, how can I? Listen to conference and listen for what Heavenly Father is trying to tell me when I'm kind of in that angry point of really like, why, why me? I'm trying to do everything right. I'm trying to do everything good in my life.

And why this? I had gone through conference. I got called to be the Relief Society instructor in our ward. And when I got called, the bishop said, you will be called. Bringing women to Christ, you need to go into conference being prayerful. And so when I went in thinking, yeah, right, I can really be prayerful, I, I listened to the talks.

I wrote down the talks that resonated with me. And first thing Monday morning, I get a text from the Relief Society president. Hey, what are the talks that you're going to be teaching on? And especially because I was teaching that next Sunday. And, um, it happened to be President Nelson's Think Celestial talk.

And I thought, how do I teach women to think celestial when I can't even get out of bed, when I don't want to get out of bed? So that afternoon, I had been thinking about it, and I get a text from the Relief Society president, and it just said, your word today is blessing. You're a blessing to your children.

You're a blessing To your husband, you're a blessing to the Sisters of the Ready Society and you're a blessing to me. And right as she texts that, the spirit said, ask her to go walking tomorrow. And so we were out there and halfway up the path, the spirit says to me, you need to tell her what happened to you.

And nobody wants to, it's embarrassing, like it's personal. It was something where I was like, no, I'm not telling you what happened to me. And then, and then. Another thing is she's got everybody else's problems. The last thing I'm going to do is add to her. So we're walking and I tell her and we get to a point where we stop to cross the road.

And this is where I usually turn around and she says, do you want to keep going? And it pierced my heart. Do you want to keep going? Cause I felt like, I don't know that I want to keep going. She meant. Do you want to keep walking? From that point when she asked me, I went out and counted the next morning.

It was 86 steps until written, painted on this block wall from top to bottom were the words, Faith, Not Fear. And we just stood there just in awe at one what we were seeing and that she just wraps her arms around me and she says, Melody, it's going to be okay. And I just felt the spirit just give my heart peace and just knowing, okay, I don't know what's going to happen, but I know that Heavenly Father has my back.

And then I was sitting with a customer and I was telling her about the summer we'd had and I felt this. Overwhelming feeling of the spirit telling me that I needed to testify to her about what I'd seen. Faith, not fear. And so I was telling her this story and she grabs my arm and she says, Nality, you need to read 86 Psalm in the 86 steps and here she's not of our faith.

And so I go after I read 86th Psalm, and this is what Heavenly Father wanted me to hear. Be merciful unto me, O Lord, for I cry unto Thee daily. Rejoice, the soul of Thy servant, for unto Thee, O Lord, do I lift my soul. For Thou, Lord, are good and ready to forgive and plenteous in mercy unto all of them who call upon Thee.

Give ear unto my prayer, O Lord, and attend to the voice of my supplications. In the day of my trouble I will call upon Thee, for Thou will answer me. And it all started with an ugly cry prayer because it was just like a miracle upon a miracle upon a miracle, and it all started with that. Um, and so I'm going to share with you a story that happened to me when I was a little girl and I was walking with him saying, ask her to go walking and the spirit just guided me to that point to where I could see what he needed me to see that morning.

And that was just such a miracle.

[01:15:03] Tammy Uzelac Hall: Those were some pretty awesome miracle stories. I think all of my guests for sharing them and Sarah and Rochelle. Thank you for starting us out with the everyday miracle story. So let's do this then for the next year, actually for the rest of our lives, let's build up that faith muscle and let's really start to notice all of the wonderful, incredible miracles.

And as Sarah said, be obnoxious about it. I can't think of anything better to be obnoxious about. So in the next segment, then my friends, Sarah and Rochelle, we are going to talk a little bit more and we're going to continue on our discussion with miracles and we're going to talk about one of the greatest miracles of all.

We'll do that next.

You both are very well acquainted with planning church activities. Am I right? You've all been in leadership positions where you've had to plan big events. True or false? True. Keep tricking them into letting me keep in charge. Let me ask you this. Then when you have done these, are they all just perfect and flawless and everything works out exactly how you wanted them to go?

[01:16:11] Rachelle Sunderlage: Absolutely not. Never. Never. Yeah.

[01:16:18] Sara Sargent Williams: They usually turn out though better than you had planned, but in a different way. If you're willing to let go of the, oh, and like Rishel said in the beginning, like willing to change your opinion on how, like Heavenly Father's ultimately in charge, plan it to your best of your ability and then let the spirit do the rest.

[01:16:36] Tammy Uzelac Hall: Excellent. I think you're right. I think for everybody who's ever been in charge of anything church, here we go. Classic. The primary program. Am I right? Yes, definitely. Oh,

[01:16:46] Sara Sargent Williams: boy. There's always, there's never the primary program practice is. I mean, who doesn't want to quit the church on that day? Every single time on a Saturday morning, you got to go and it turns out the worse it is, the better the Sunday program is going to be, but it's, you have to go in ready.

Like, okay, I'm not going to quit the church. Don't worry,

[01:17:10] Rachelle Sunderlage: gonna be sweating. I'm going to wear rain shoes that day. Oh, sweating for

[01:17:17] Sara Sargent Williams: sure. The sweating.

[01:17:17] Tammy Uzelac Hall: You're absolutely, I like how you said, and the worse the primary practice is, the better the program ends up because it just exceeds everyone's expectations.

Am I right? Absolutely. Okay. So I think this is awesome because I feel like Moroni shares in that sentiment when it comes to the Book of Mormon. So we're going to do a scripture chain. We're going to read a couple of verses because he's trying to set it up by saying, listen, it might not be perfect, but boy, it's going to be effective.

So let's start in Mormon chapter eight, verse 12. We want to read a couple of these verses that Moroni wrote about the Book of Mormon. Okay, so here we go. First part of our scripture chain, Mormon chapter eight. We're going to start in verse 12. And Sarah, will you please read verse 12? And

[01:17:58] Sara Sargent Williams: whoso receiveth this record, and shall not condemn it because of the imperfections which are in it, the same shall know of greater things than these.

Behold, I am Moroni, and were it possible, I would make all things known unto you.

[01:18:12] Tammy Uzelac Hall: Okay, now let's cross reference that and just put 17. It's Mormon chapter 8, verse 17. Turn the page to verse 17. And Rochelle, will you please read verse 17?

[01:18:22] Rachelle Sunderlage: And if there be faults, they be the faults of a man. But behold, we know no fault.

Nevertheless, God knoweth all things. Therefore, he that condemneth, let him be aware, lest he should be in danger of hellfire.

[01:18:37] Tammy Uzelac Hall: Okay. Now the next reference we're going to give is put to the outside of verse 17, Mormon chapter nine, verses 31 through 34, and we'll each take a turn and we'll go Rochelle, Sarah,

[01:18:51] Rachelle Sunderlage: and then me.

31. Condemn me not because of my imperfection, neither my father because of his imperfection, neither them who have written before him, but rather give thanks unto God that he hath made manifest unto you our imperfections. That ye may learn to be more wise than we have been.

[01:19:13] Sara Sargent Williams: And now behold, we have written this record according to our knowledge, in the characters which are called among us the reformed Egyptian, being handed down and altered by us according to our manner of speech.

[01:19:25] Tammy Uzelac Hall: And if our plates had been sufficiently large, We should have written in Hebrew, but the Hebrew have been altered by us also. And if we could have written in Hebrew, behold, you would have had no imperfection in our record.

[01:19:38] Rachelle Sunderlage: But the Lord knoweth the things which we have written, and also that none other people knoweth our language.

And because that none other people knoweth our language, Therefore, he hath prepared means for the interpretation thereof.

[01:19:51] Tammy Uzelac Hall: Okay, now to the outside of those verses, I want you to write title page, final statement, and go to the title page of the Book of Mormon. And even in the title page, Moroni makes sure.

That he writes this about these, about the Book of Mormon. So here we go. And Sarah, will you read that for us? Yeah.

[01:20:12] Sara Sargent Williams: And now, if there are faults, they are the mistakes of men, wherefore, condemn not the things of God, that ye may be found spotless at the judgment seat of Christ.

[01:20:21] Tammy Uzelac Hall: Thank you. So Sarah, I have a question for you.

If you were trying to sum up all these verses for your cute little slade, your son, what would you say that Moroni is trying to say to us?

[01:20:30] Sara Sargent Williams: He's saying, like, look, Jesus is real, and he is true, and his gospel is true. And if I wrote it down wrong, or I spelled it wrong, or I gave a bad analogy, or the analogy I gave hurt your feelings, or Or I defaulted on a loan one time.

It's not Jesus Christ's fault that I was imperfect. It's, that was me, the writer. But the information I'm giving you is true, regardless of what my credit score is. Not my personal credit score. Okay, it's all right. No one get upset. Don't tell my dad. But. Like, I wish that we could apply this same level of don't criticize the message of the Book of Mormon because of our mistakes to our modern day prophets, starting with Joseph Smith all the way down to President Nelson, because the same should be said for them.

Their message is true, even as they've made personal mistakes.

[01:21:34] Tammy Uzelac Hall: Absolutely. Can we just get an amen right now, a collective amen? Amen. That's so good. Okay. So next to the title page reference, I have one more for you. Just put Mormon chapter eight, verse 16, and we're gonna go back into Mormon. And he talks about the Book of Mormon and he'll bring it forth.

He'll bring it to light. He tells us in verse 14 that he is the one who hit up the record of the Lord. So he's telling us a little bit about it and that it will be brought to light. But I really like verse 16. It says, And blessed be he that shall bring this thing to light, for it shall be brought out of darkness unto light.

According to the word of God, yea, it shall be brought out of the earth, and it shall shine forth out of darkness and come unto the knowledge of the people, and it shall be done by the power of God. And I think this idea where this word light in here, it will bring to light and. I feel like for me in my life, the Book of Mormon is light.

And every time I read it, the promises that have been given about the Book of Mormon really are true. And I love so much the promise from our prophet in October 2017, when our prophet President Russell M. Nelson gave us a Book of Mormon promise. He says, my dear brothers and sisters, I promise that as you prayerfully study the Book of Mormon every day, you will make better choices every day.

I promise that as you ponder what you study, the windows of heaven will open and you will receive answers to your own questions and direction for your life. I promise that as you daily immerse yourself in the Book of Mormon, you can be immunized against the evils of the day, even the gripping plague of pornography and other mind numbing addictions.

And I just, I want to just say that this is true and it has been true in my life and the promise is real. That is the miracle in my life. The Book of Mormon is a miracle in my life. It has helped me. Make better decisions every day. And I want you to kind of think about this idea of what has the Book of Mormon meant to you.

And I asked my guest to just see, and I was curious to know is how has the Book of Mormon been a miracle in your life? And I'd love to know what your thoughts are. Rochelle, how has the Book of Mormon been

[01:23:44] Rachelle Sunderlage: a miracle in your life? So there was a time recently I was just feeling like my life is going great.

I got all these. Things are going wonderful. My kids are happy, but I still just felt like a little bit off a little bit. Something was just I wasn't all, all me. It was a fast Sunday and during that fast Sunday decided to make a roast. And I was so excited about this roast. I just kept thinking about it all through fast Sunday and like, Oh, I just, I cannot wait to eat that.

It's going to taste so good and I've taken care and prepped for it and bought the right ingredients and I've been taking my time, not rushing through it and I just can't wait. And, um, then I just, it hit me that, oh, you know what, what's missing is I haven't been doing that feasting on the Book of Mormon.

I've been reading it. It's been here. The actual, like, what it looks like to sit down to a feast, when I do that and prepare myself, I'm excited to be there, I'm ready to, what is going to be served, that is the power of God to me, like, that's when it's made manifest, and so, I went home, I, I found my quiet place, I kind of prepared, and then sat down and was just ready to receive goodness, and it started with a prayer, you know, like before you pray for a meal, you think, God for your food.

Well before I feast on the words. Let me thank him for the words.

[01:25:14] Tammy Uzelac Hall: Oh my gosh I wrote next to my scriptures the analogy of the roast. That is so cool I never considered that idea of treating it like a meal and feasting but before you feast you give thanks For the meal you're about to partake. Oh my gosh And now I'm thinking about the part of the prayer where you say and bless the hands that prepared it Oh, how great is that?

Oh, less Mormon and Moroni and God. Oh, that and Joseph Smith. Oh my gosh. Because whenever my husband says, bless the hands that prepared it, we're all folding our arms and closing our eyes. But I always put my hands up in the air and I do like fist bumps because it's me. All me. All me. All me. Um, I love that.

Now that is a great way to study my scriptures to get that. That's so cool. Thank you for sharing that. Sarah, how is the book more and been a miracle in your life?

[01:26:03] Sara Sargent Williams: Oh, well, at different times, different things. When I was, I mean, I hate to always refer back to being single because I was, that was a long time ago, and my life was, well, you were single longer than you've been married with kids.

To be clear, that's true. But it brought me a lot of comfort to know that I was loved, not necessarily because of the words I was reading, but because of the spirit that came when I would study and read the Book of Mormon. In my current phase of life, I don't, if I'm being honest, I don't do as much personal study as I probably should, um, because I, I'm working on, you know, Helping my kids study and try to figure out the truthfulness of the Book of Mormon and help them get the spirit and the miracle of the Book of Mormon and whether it's my own kids or you're getting a singing time ready in primary, which is my all time favorite calling ever and I miss it, but, um, just the, the magic and the spirit that comes as you're presenting that to little children, you know, reading with my nephews to try to help them catch the spirit of the Book of Mormon.

The spirit is there every time.

[01:27:07] Tammy Uzelac Hall: I have written down so much from today's episode. I don't even know how I'm going to find one takeaway. Thank you to both of you. Thank you for reading these chapters and coming so well prepared to discuss them today and for sharing everything that you did. So gather your thoughts.

Now we're done. That's the end of our episode. And I just like to know, what is your takeaway from our discussion today of these chapters?

[01:27:31] Rachelle Sunderlage: Yeah, I have a lot of them, but so many good things. Bye. Bye. I love Tammy, what you just said about the hand, um, blessing the hands that prepared, um, the meal and how it's Mormon and Moroni and Joseph Smith and all of these prophets and their families and their wives and their children who, um, they fearlessly wrote down for the entire world to read their story and knowing your, our own imperfections.

Like, that's terrifying to me and it gives me so much courage, you know, like, and it's gratitude for this book and for their sacrifice, I guess, and, and their hands that have prepared this beautiful feast of Christ for me.

[01:28:21] Tammy Uzelac Hall: Absolutely. The analogy of the roast. I love it. It was so good. Thank you. What about you, Sarge?

[01:28:30] Sara Sargent Williams: Oh, I don't know. It's hard to narrow down one thing, but one of the things that really felt super powerful to me was when Rochelle was staring at her, um, kind of little miracle of Elder Callister calling her by name. And I think one of the things that the Book of Mormon shows us is that Jesus Christ loves us, and He knows us by name.

And, you know, in my own personal reading, we've just, in my family, um, we're reading about Christ being in the Americas right now. And how He had each person come up one by one, and we kind of did the math on how long that would have taken if everyone got 10 seconds, which isn't really very long. And, um, His willingness to administer just one by one, and how He knew those people.

And I You would like to, I was going to say I'd like to imagine, but I do know that Bryce knows me by name and that he loves

[01:29:24] Tammy Uzelac Hall: me. Thank you, Sarah. Um, my takeaways were, Rochelle, I like how you started us out in the beginning by talking about how sad Moroni must have been, how alone he is, how tough it must, it was, and yet he can still talk about happiness.

And the idea of being happy when there was probably no happiness around him, he'd lost his dad, family, friends, everybody. Um, and yet he's still here cheering us on saying, I know it's hard. And if you just hang on tight, you're gonna be able to sing in the choirs and you're going to be able to have everlasting happiness.

And that It was a paradigm shift for me, because sometimes when we're sad and down, I know for me, I want to be that way for a long time, or at least until I'm done moping, whatever time that feels like. But I love the idea of, well, you know what, life's hard, and so here we go. There can still be happiness through Christ, so thank you.

And then Sarah, wow, I mean, I quoted you on the miracle thing where faith is a muscle. That was so cool. I love that idea. But I think what you, when you told the story about the cake, cause I know your family and how sweet that your cute Charlotte made arrangements to have that come to you for your birthday.

So that's nice. I can post the recipe. I'll see you out. I think you should, because I would love to make that cake, the memory of your mom. Let's love the memory of your mom and her birthday cake live on. Through the internet, please post the cake in your bio, okay? Yeah, I will. Yeah. Please post it. So thank you, ladies.

That was it. That's the end of our discussion. That was so beautiful. I love today. I love you, too. Nighty night. Oh, okay. Wow. Well, what was your takeaway? I cannot believe how many I have written down on my piece of paper. That was so cool. So go and join our group on Facebook or Instagram and share what you've learned or ask questions, but mostly share.

I love it when people just post. I love it. What stood out to them? And then at the end of the week, we'll post a question from this episode. So comment on the post that relates to this lesson and share your thoughts. You can get to both our Facebook and Instagram by going to the show notes for this episode, which are at LDS living.

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It's written and hosted by me, Tammy Uselak Hall. And today, our beautiful study group participants were Sarah Sargent Williams and Rochelle Sunder, as well as special shout out to our everyday miracle guests. Thank you so much, Susan Stanger, Bruce Adams and Melody Larson. You can find more information about my friends@ldsliving.com slash Sunday on Monday.

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