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[00:00:00] Tammy Uzelac Hall: How would you respond to these three questions today in your life? Here we go. What shall I give unto you? What do you desire of me and what should I do unto you? What would your answer be? Did anyone answer money for all three of them? Maybe? Okay, how about cheese? No, just kidding. You wouldn't answer cheese, but I want to say oh my gosh how my answers would have changed over the years my answers in my 20s would be vastly different from what I wanted and desired and Had to have done for me in my 30s and 40s and even 50s now let me just kind of flip this a little bit because What if Jesus asked you, Hey, what shall I give unto you?

What do you desire of me? What should I do unto you now? What would your answers be today as we study third Nephi 27 through fourth Nephi, we are going to discover who was asked these three questions by Jesus, and we will find out the answers they gave. And. I just have to say this. It might surprise you that nobody asked for more cheese.

Welcome to the Sunday on Monday study group, a desert bookshelf plus original brought to you by LDS living, where we take the come follow me lesson for the week and we really dig into the scriptures together. I'm your host, Tammy Uzelac Hall if you're new to our study group. Follow the link in our description, and it's going to explain how you can best use this podcast to enhance your come follow me study.

Just like my friend, Aaron Allred from Saratoga Springs. Hi, Aaron. Good morning. And thank you so much for coming to the summer of joy event. It was so good to see you. Another awesome thing about our study group is that each week we're joined by two of my friends, so it's always a little bit different.

And today we have two new guests, long time listeners. Their parents have been on the podcast before, but I'm so grateful I got to get them. They are Natalie Baugh and Brooke Baugh. Hi, ladies. Hi, girl. This is so fun. Um, okay. How do you two know each other? I'm her older sister. They are so lovely. Uh, how old are both of you?

So people have an age. I'm 28. And I'm Brooke.

[00:02:09] Brooke Baugh: And I'm 22.

[00:02:10] Tammy Uzelac Hall: Yay! And both of you are return missionaries. Brooke, a little bit more recent. Where did you serve, Natalie? I was in Moscow, Russia. Dosvedanya. I don't even know what that means. What does that even mean? Bye. Oh, we don't want to say that yet.

[00:02:26] Brooke Baugh: Brooke,

[00:02:27] Tammy Uzelac Hall: where did you serve?

[00:02:28] Brooke Baugh: I served in the DC South Mission speaking Spanish. Oh, muy bueno. Okay, that I can

[00:02:33] Tammy Uzelac Hall: do. I can do Spanish. Oh my gosh, so fun. And, uh, both of you are in college right now and it's, the reason I said good morning to my guest is because we're recording very early in the morning before these two have classes. How are you guys feeling?

[00:02:46] Natalie Baugh: I'm not in college, actually. Oh,

[00:02:47] Tammy Uzelac Hall: that's right. You graduated. That's all right, though. Oh, duh. That's right. Okay. Natalie, tell us a little bit about yourself. What are you doing now?

[00:02:55] Natalie Baugh: I work in marketing for Redmond, Real Salt, and Relight.

[00:03:00] Tammy Uzelac Hall: It's really cool. That is awesome. And Brooke, what are you studying in college?

[00:03:04] Brooke Baugh: I'm studying family studies. Okay.

[00:03:08] Tammy Uzelac Hall: That's so fantastic. Both of you. These are very accomplished women. They're very darling too. So if anybody knows people, if anyone knows any young men that are single, right? Maybe. I don't know. Okay. But if you want to see what they look like, go check out their bios, which are going to be found in our show notes at ldsliving.

com slash Sunday on Monday. So are you ladies ready to do this? We are going to have so much fun.

[00:03:30] Natalie Baugh: I'm excited.

[00:03:31] Tammy Uzelac Hall: Yeah. We have great chapters to study. So grab your scriptures and join us as we dig into third Nephi chapters 27 all the way through fourth Nephi. Okay. Here's my first question, ladies. Tell me, what did the Holy Ghost teach you as you read these chapters this week?

[00:03:48] Natalie Baugh: I think it was just to be a missionary again. Like, I've been home for my mission, what, eight years, I think? And it was just a good reminder of like, in 3527, that I can be a missionary as a member and continue to share the gospel with those around me. Was there a specific verse that stood out to you with that?

Um, 27 verse 20. And it just is the doctrine of Christ, repent all the ends of the earth and come unto me and be baptized and be sanctified by receiving the Holy Ghost, that you may stand spotless before me at the last day. I like that verse because it's Christ just teaching his doctrine. It's what the whole Book of Mormon is filled with, repent, be baptized and receive the Holy Ghost.

And as covenant, as a baptized member of the church, we continue to receive the Holy Ghost every day and keep the spirit with us. And the spirit wants us to do what Christ would do, and he is always sharing love and sharing the gospel, which is his life, his, his power.

[00:04:52] Tammy Uzelac Hall: Let me ask you a follow up question, Natalie.

If you were teaching this verse of scripture to somebody who, like you said, you're being a missionary, what would you say if they said to you, what do you, what does it mean? Stand spotless.

[00:05:04] Brooke Baugh: Mm,

[00:05:05] Natalie Baugh: that's a good one. Spotless I think is just like you can, you know, if you ever get a stain on your shirt, like you can, you can remove it.

There's good stain remover out there and like Jesus is our stain remover. So it's like as you continue to repent and use your stain remover and be baptized and the Holy Ghost, I love that it says it sanctifies you. Like as you continue to have the Holy Ghost in your life, it's continually helping you become spotless.

It's a, it's a long process. But I love that you can sacrifice sin, repent, become spotless, so that by when we stand in front of Jesus again. We can return to live with him in God.

[00:05:44] Brooke Baugh: Oh,

[00:05:44] Tammy Uzelac Hall: I, in fact, I wrote in my scriptures, Jesus is our stain remover. That's a great way to describe that. Nice work, Natalie. Thank you.

Brooke, what about you?

[00:05:55] Brooke Baugh: Um, okay. I think a theme that was standing out to me, I don't know if it's like a theme, but it, I think it started from 3528 verse. It's like the end of verse nine and the beginning of verse 10. It's saying for you have desired that you might bring the souls of men unto me while the world shall stand.

And for this cause you shall have fullness of joy. And like years ago in my, my Book of Mormon, I wrote like missionary work and I was like right before my mission. But then as I was studying it again, I like wrote under it. It really does cause such great joy. And I think that's just been on my mind a ton, just like joy and happiness.

And I think I teach at MTC and I talk about it always cause I love it. I teach Spanish and I literally like love these missionaries with all my heart. And I've, like, lately I've had some missionaries that are, like, trying to figure out why they're there. Like, they kind of, like, know it's their duty, I guess.

And they're kind of like, okay, why am I here? Like, what is actually my testimony? And one thing that I've, like, been telling them more often is, like, I want you to put in the effort. Like, I want to help you learn Spanish. And I want you to study the scriptures instead of just, like, kind of go play volleyball and, like, kind of survive the MTC.

And I don't know, I just like, we talk a lot about effort, but then I'm like, but it's because I want you to feel joy. Because when I, like, when I was a missionary, that's probably the most joy I've ever felt all at once. Like, if like, I truly understood what joy was, and that it only comes through Christ.

And missionary work is something that Christ is doing always to us, if that makes sense how I see it. And so like, when we're doing as he would, kind of what Natalie was saying, as we're doing what he would, we feel more joy because we feel closer to him. And I'm like, that's our purpose, is to have joy! And I think God wants us, like, life is hard, but he wants us to have a good experience doing something hard.

Like, that's like, the point of it. And so I think just having joy and looking for that and feeling it, putting the effort like doing missionary work or putting the effort to say the scripture takes effort for so much joy. So yeah, that was nice and that stood out to me.

[00:07:53] Tammy Uzelac Hall: Oh my gosh. I think that is such a great thing.

The spirit taught you. In fact, when you said that you talked about how life is hard and we're supposed to experience things that are hard so that we can have joy. It reminded me of a conversation that I had with my friend Courtney on the magnify podcast. Yeah. Yeah. A while back and it was so cool because one of the things that we talked about joy, that was the whole point of our podcast and one of the things that stood out to me was I talked about the wise men because in Matthew chapter two, it says about the wise man and when they saw the star, they rejoiced with exceedingly great joy and I wondered like, why were they so happy?

Okay, they saw the star and that's pretty neat, but for me, I realized. Oh, my gosh. I wonder if they rejoiced because it had been such a difficult journey for them to get where they needed to go. Some scholars believe it would have taken anywhere from three to five years to walk where they were if they had come from the east.

I mean, that's a ton of work. And for them to and. We're doing it the whole time going, boy, we really hope this turns out. We really hope this is what they said it's going to be. I mean, all the prophecies have said Christ would be born, but they didn't know they were just following the spirit to walk and they get there.

And so when they did see the star, of course they rejoice with exceedingly great joy because it, it was just like they said it would be. And so I love, I just love everything you said about how, yeah, we're going, it's going to be hard. And when you said that your mission was the one time in your life where you're the most happy and you're filled with the most joy.

Would you also say it was also the hardest time of your life and the most difficult thing you ever did?

[00:09:24] Brooke Baugh: Totally, totally. And I think that's also something that's been on my mind. Like there's opposition in all things. Um, because yeah, it was so, so hard, but I feel like it like set me up for the rest of my life.

Cause I think more and more I'm like, oh, life is hard. Like there's like going to be harder things. So like come into my life and there has been, but I think now I know like what actually does bring me true joy, but it's. Like, me and Natalie, we were just on a trip with our family and some family friends.

And on Sunday, we like, kind of did our own gospel discussion, and we talked a ton about remembering Jesus. And we're like, okay, how do we do that? How do we remember Jesus? And still, we're, I'm working on that. And I just like, know that when I do remember Jesus in the way I treat people, or in the way, in what I do, and things like that, I like, feel more joy.

Anyways, but there's still like, opposition in all things. And so it's like, in my hardest moments, it's, When I noticed the real joy also.

[00:10:17] Tammy Uzelac Hall: Okay, well tell me real quick then, what did you guys come up with? How do you remember Jesus? Do you remember what either one of you said?

[00:10:24] Natalie Baugh: I think I said service and following promptings of the Spirit to like, Oh, call that friend and like doing it even though, like before you can even second guess it, just doing it.

Oh,

[00:10:33] Tammy Uzelac Hall: yes. Brilliant.

[00:10:36] Brooke Baugh: I think I said, well, I said something like immersing myself in the scriptures, I think that always is good, but in times that I can't do that, I don't know, I loved what someone else said, and they just said like, just in the way you treat others, I think it's the way you, like, remember in Christ.

Like, having compassion and charity, like, whether it's a thought about someone or, like, whether it's how you, like, treat them and talk to them. And so I think, I don't know, that's just been my mind attempt. Like, even, I feel like I want to be more intent listeners. Like, if, like, in my interactions ever since Sunday, I've tried to, like, give my all to the person that I'm, like, talking to.

And I'm, like, not perfect at it, but. I'm working at it.

[00:11:15] Tammy Uzelac Hall: Those were great answers. In fact, they're so great because as you were talking about them, I thought, isn't this fascinating that you're telling us how you're going to remember him and when we get to fourth Nephi, we will see the opposite of how people forgot him.

The exact opposite of what you shared. So thank you so much. Okay. This is going to be such a fun discussion. I just love it. Love it. Love it. Now, how about those three questions I asked at the beginning? Did either one of you have anything pop into your mind? What, if you could have anything done for you or help you, what would you say?

If Jesus said, what would I, what can I give to you? What would you want me to do for you? Or what do you desire of me? I mean,

[00:11:55] Natalie Baugh: the three Nepites knew what they were asking, right? Those questions

[00:11:59] Tammy Uzelac Hall: are, I'm like, I think I want what they have now. It's like, I don't want to deal with marriage and dating. I'm done.

And it's like, just tell me what my degree should be and what I'm going to be, right? Yeah, totally. I think we know the answers. Absolutely. So if you have a blank sheet of paper, for those of you listening, here's how I would teach this. If I taught seminary or gospel doctrine, and what I want us to do is have three columns on a piece of paper.

Or on your board, if you're teaching this and at the top of each column, we're going to write one of these questions and we're going to answer them. We're gonna put all the answers down in the column. So in the next segment, then we are going to start with column a, and we're going to tell you what the first question is and what you should write.

We'll do that next.

Let's turn to 3rd Nephi chapter 27, and what we want to do is just read verses 1 and 2 so we can have a little background before we tell you what question to write in column A. Here we go, 3rd Nephi 27, and Brooke, will you please read for us verses 1 and 2? Yes. And as Brooke, as Brooke is reading this, I want us to be thinking about what happens As a result of what the disciples were doing.

Okay, so here you go.

[00:13:15] Brooke Baugh: Okay, it says, And it came to pass that as the disciples of Jesus were journeying and were preaching the things which they had both heard and seen, and were baptizing in the name of Jesus, it came to pass that the disciples were gathered together and were united in mighty prayer and fasting.

And Jesus again showed himself unto them, for they were praying unto the Father in his name. And Jesus came and stood in the midst of them and said unto them, What will ye that I shall give unto you?

[00:13:44] Tammy Uzelac Hall: Thank you. So in column A, let's put what should I give unto you? Or what shall I give? You can write it out.

What will ye that I shall give unto you? Now, what was it that these disciples were doing before Jesus appeared?

[00:14:02] Natalie Baugh: Fasting and praying.

[00:14:04] Tammy Uzelac Hall: Faithful. As well. And preaching. Preaching and then united in, I love that, in verse one, mighty prayer and fasting. And as a result of mighty prayer and fasting, the Savior appeared.

What a great equation for needing Jesus. And feeling his spirit is to be united. And I asked you guys, if you either one of you, do you have an experience where you've been united in mighty prayer and fasting and, and you have felt the presence of the savior?

[00:14:31] Brooke Baugh: One thing I like, I love the topic of prayer.

It is something. Just like something so special and sacred. And it's just so cool that we can talk to God whenever. And I love, especially in these verses that as they were united in fasting and prayer, like a letter is like, Jesus came and stood in the midst of them. And I love, I'd like my most powerful prayers are when I'm struggling the most.

And I really like picture Christ, like literally standing in the midst of me. And there's moments where I feel like I totally feel him and moments where I'm just going to believe it, even though I don't feel it or like, don't know how to feel it. But one experience that came to my mind, a mighty prayer, I just think there was this family on my mission from Honduras and I like adored this family and they, they had been through a lot.

We had been praying as missionaries to like meet people that had already talked to missionaries because you meet people sometimes and they're like, just to save, but we were like, had been praying a ton that like, we want to meet people that had already talked to missionaries. We met this family. We're friends with members in the ward already.

And so we're like, this is literally what we've been praying for so many times a day. And I was like, Oh my gosh, prayers are answered. Like actually, they're answered. Like it's wild. There's so many people and we found this family and we taught them. And I just, I just remember praying for them like every day before I said in my scriptures and praying for them every day.

Prayer, and like as a missionary, you pray when you make up, you pray as a companionship, you pray when you study, you pray when you leave the apartment, you pray before a lesson, like, you're praying so many times, probably like 10 times before like, I don't know, 11 a. m., if you're like going outside, and I just remember distinctly like one Sunday that I remember like studying the scriptures and praying and You We went to their house, like, the night before, like, Saturday night, we went to their house, Sunday morning, we had to remember, like, go to their house to pick them up, to come to church, and they didn't come, they didn't answer, and we had to talk to them throughout the whole week, and they were going to come to church, and we were so excited, and I remember, like, the next day praying for them again, as I studied the scriptures, and I just was praying and pleading for this family, and it just taught me the power of, like, praying for other people, and how that, there's power in that, and praying for others.

But also, I'd like you to tell me more about Christ and how he not only, like, pleads for us, but he pleads with us. And it made me think of Jacob 3. 1. Actually, I think Natalie shared this with me years ago. I don't know if she remembers, but

[00:17:05] Natalie Baugh: I have an arrow, but I plead, so maybe.

[00:17:07] Brooke Baugh: Yeah,

[00:17:08] Natalie Baugh: maybe.

[00:17:09] Tammy Uzelac Hall: That's a good verse. Read it for us, Brooke.

[00:17:11] Brooke Baugh: Okay. It says,

And he will console you in your afflictions, and he will plead your cause, and send down justice upon those who seek your destruction. Anyways, that's, I just love, I guess, picturing Christ pleading for me and with me, and that taught me a lot about mighty prayer.

[00:17:38] Tammy Uzelac Hall: Absolutely. Thank you. Oh, that's a great scripture reference.

I want to write that on this page. What about you, Nat? Did anything come to mind?

[00:17:48] Natalie Baugh: It's kind of a roundabout way, but fasting, I've always believed in it, but I was like, I've never really had like crazy experiences with fasting. Besides, we did a ward fast once, and it was actually Tammy Ford, Jim's late wife.

I remember our whole ward fasted. Wow, I

[00:18:06] Tammy Uzelac Hall: can't believe you remember that.

[00:18:08] Natalie Baugh: I was really young, and we held knelt in the chapel together for a ward prayer. And that came to my mind. It was just

[00:18:16] Brooke Baugh: really cool that we were so united. And I was so young, but I remember, I remember that. Oh, wow. I'm sorry. Oh, that's

[00:18:28] Natalie Baugh: so tender.

Yeah, that was really cool. It really does unite people or like when we fast for family members all together, like you, you join your faith and it's really, really powerful. Even like, I've always known that fasting brings you strength and it might not be like an answer, but it'll bring you strength

[00:18:48] Brooke Baugh: to

[00:18:49] Natalie Baugh: overcome what you want or what you don't want.

I just have always related strength with fasting. Like, if I need extra spiritual strength, I will fast. And I've tried a 48 hour fast and a 72 hour fast mainly for health benefits, but I went when I did it the first time I was amazed with the spiritual side of it. Like, I had no idea what I was getting into spiritually

[00:19:13] Tammy Uzelac Hall: when I

[00:19:13] Natalie Baugh: did these prolonged fasts.

But it taught me so much and it was just really cool to to truly like sacrifice, you know Sometimes it's like oh, yeah two meals and you go home and eat by 3 p. m Right, and

[00:19:27] Brooke Baugh: it

[00:19:28] Natalie Baugh: doesn't have that big of an impact But when I was without food for 48 hours or 72 hours it's on your mind and you are thinking of anything and everything else just to avoid being hungry and It helped me really break some spiritual barriers.

So yeah, my, my fasting and praying testimony has definitely come a long way.

[00:19:49] Tammy Uzelac Hall: Going back to that moment, I've, I've never, I never knew that no one's ever shared that story with me. I did not know that the Lord united in mighty prayer and fasting for Michelle. So thank you for sharing that. That is so tender for me and you would have only been nine, nine or 10.

I mean, it must have been the first major fast of your whole life. Amen. Amen. Yeah, probably to fast like that. And what I appreciated most was when you said he strengthens us. He might not answer our prayers, but he strengthens us through that. And I, I will testify that what she just said is true. I've had the same experience when I had a student who was very ill and all of the student body and all of the state joined together.

And we all met in the church after we had fasted in. United in mighty fasting and prayer, and we knelt in the chapel and in the gym as th as her bishop prayed for her to be healed and she wasn't. She also passed away just like Michelle, but it strengthened us. I really felt like we felt the savior in our midst for sure.

Pleading our cause. But also knowing like, not my will, but fine is how that all works out. So thank you for sharing those. In fact, as you shared those experiences, I thought, isn't it beautiful then that, that what these people, when he says, what shall I give unto you? And they're united in mighty fasting and prayer.

They could ask for anything in this very moment. And here's what they ask for. Here's what we're going to write in column a, Natalie, will you read verse three?

[00:21:17] Natalie Baugh: Yeah. And they said unto him, Lord, we will that thou would tell us the name whereby we shall call this church. For there are disputations among the people concerning this matter.

[00:21:28] Tammy Uzelac Hall: That's it. That's all they want. They just said, tell us the name of the church and we know the name of the church in third Nephi chapter 26, just ahead in the chapter before it, it kind of recaps before it gets into 27 and it tells us the name of the church or the name of the people. And they are called the church of Christ.

And I think this is so beautiful because the Savior then teaches them such a great theology about why we're called the Church of Christ and why, because we're his people and we believe in him. We're his church. And I thought of something so interesting because you two are siblings. And I'm wondering, do you, does anyone in your family or any of you have FOMO, the fear of missing out?

Would you guys, when you go and do something and the other person's not there, are you like, I wish I was with my family? Yes. Yes. Like when they go camping without you or on your mission, who's your family? Big campers. Did you have FOMO on your mission?

[00:22:27] Natalie Baugh: Yeah. My sister got married when I was on my mission.

That was, Yeah. Yeah. Okay. That's the biggest fear

[00:22:31] Tammy Uzelac Hall: of miss. That is not a fear of missing out. You did miss out. Yeah. Okay. So let's look at two verses because I wonder, I'm like, I wonder if Jesus has a little bit of FOMO and that's what I thought of when I read verses five and six. Now, um, Brooke, will you read that for us?

[00:22:47] Brooke Baugh: Yeah. Five and six. Have they not read the scriptures which say you must take upon you the name of Christ, which is my name. Amen. Amen. For by this name shall ye be called at the last day, and also taketh upon him my name, and endureth to the end, the same shall be saved at the last day.

[00:23:03] Tammy Uzelac Hall: Thank you. And he goes on in verse seven, whatsoever you shall do, ye shall do it in my name.

Therefore ye shall call the church in my name, and ye shall call upon the father in my name, and he will bless the church for my sake. And I just had this thought when I was reading these verses that I thought. If this is his church, then of course he would want to be there when you are united in mighty fasting and prayer.

He doesn't want to miss out on those moments. He wants to plead your cause. Brooke, I love that you taught us that verse of scripture. He wants to be a part of all of it with you because we are his family and he shows up for important events. He's not going to miss weddings because I just love that.

Natalie, like you had no choice, but he's there for everything for us. And I just love this idea that we are now a family and we are united together because of our savior. And the two of you, I just would love to know as you were on your mission, what was it like wearing? Cause you're fresh, new kind of missionaries, but what was it like wearing his name for 18 months?

[00:24:07] Brooke Baugh: Okay, at first I feel like I didn't totally understand it, but I remember just home MTC at 6 weeks of home MTC, so like right in COVID, and I remember just literally just having the thought like, Oh, what would Jesus do? I am representing him. What would he do? And I feel like it kind of prompted me to have more desires to get to know him better.

Also, like, like towards the end of my mission, you like do this thing called my plan, like before you go, like make a plan about how you're going to like approach life, basically. And there was a video of, like, you kind of watch some videos of like past missionaries and prophets. And I honestly loved it. A lot of missionaries are like, this is cheesy, whatever.

But like, I'm all about it. And there was just this video of these returned missionaries talking about taking upon Christ's name. And I like, they didn't want to take their, like, their plaque off. And they're like, but it's written on my heart. And I remember like watching this video, like, at lunch. Like, just like in our little 30 minutes of lunch.

And I remember just like, crying, because I was like, at the beginning of my mission, I don't know, I don't know if Christ was totally written on my heart. But I was like, I know for a fact that he's written on my heart now. Like, everything I do, I want it to be centered on him. And, I just was like, I can say that I know him and I love him.

And, I think that was just the biggest thing. And I don't totally know how to like, describe what it means to have him written on my heart. Because I'm like, still learning more about it. I remember just being like, no, I've experienced that. And just being like, no, I get that. And I feel him and I know him.

And I just loved that feeling. I don't know if that totally answered your question. But that's where my thought went.

[00:25:44] Tammy Uzelac Hall: Oh, it absolutely did. He's written on your heart. Thank you, Brooke. What about you, Natalie?

[00:25:50] Natalie Baugh: So in Russia, we weren't allowed to wear our tags. And so from the get go, I had to think about what it meant, you know, just because, I mean, they could tell by our ugly skirts and bags missionaries, but no, I loved, we would just keep our tags in our backpack or in our like bags and put them on at church or in our apartment.

And even just getting dressed in the morning and putting it on, and then taking it off before we went outside just kind of helped remember the symbolism of, of who we are and what we were doing. But I think my favorite thing was for the first half of my mission, we could share the name of the church and that we were missionaries.

and just saying the whole name of the church. And sometimes they would like, not know, and then we'd be like, Marmoni. Like, we're Mormons. Just before that was not a thing, but they would kind of understand. But just saying the full name of the church, like, I was always so excited. It was like, I was in primary singing, I belong to the church of Jesus, you know, that song.

Yeah. Just because it's so cool to be like, we are the church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints. Like, we are Christian. You just, in the name, it says it all. I was listening to a podcast from like four years ago, Book of Mormon, and it was talking about it's the church of Jesus Christ, which denotes that he owns it, but then it's also of us.

So like together we are joint in the church and it's kind of like become like me and the father and we're one and we're united. And so Christ is like, you're a part of this church just as much as I am. He leads it. But like it's of Jesus Christ of us, you know, like, We're part of that church. But I think for me, I was just thinking of the light of Christ in my eyes.

Like people would recognize that on my mission. I didn't have a tag, but like people would stop me and be like, there's something different about you. And I'd be like, let me tell you, you know, you're so excited to share where I got my light from. It was really cool that people would literally see that light in us as missionaries.

So I, that broke my heart.

[00:27:51] Tammy Uzelac Hall: Absolutely Natalie. Okay, Natalie, do this for me really quick then to end the segment, both of you, I want you to say the full name of the church in Russian.

[00:28:00] Natalie Baugh: Oh,

Brook, say the whole name of the church in Spanish.

I'm crying . That was so

[00:28:15] Tammy Uzelac Hall: powerful. And, and we are his church everywhere in the world. That is so cool. Thank you very, very much for doing that. Okay. So in the next segment, then Jesus asks his disciples who belong to the church of Jesus Christ. Another question that this timeframe, there's actually a timeframe attached to it.

So we're going to fill in column B in the next segment.

Okay. This is a fun question. So I want to know from you too, and I want you to just do immediately say the number that comes to your mind. Give me an age when you hear the word old. Did you say 37?

[00:28:59] Natalie Baugh: I said 77. What did you say,

[00:29:02] Brooke Baugh: Brooke? Okay, I literally, I don't know why, you said your first thought, and literally my first thought is 52, which I don't actually think that's old.

[00:29:12] Natalie Baugh: Oh, it's old. Believe me.

[00:29:13] Tammy Uzelac Hall: When you're 20, 52 is so old. Cause for me now, when I hear the word, the word old, I'm like 108. I don't know. He was lived that old, but okay. That is so

[00:29:27] Natalie Baugh: perfect. I can't wait when you're

[00:29:34] Tammy Uzelac Hall: 52. I'm going to call you in your mind. You have this moment. Oh, I love you. I love you. Okay. In column B, we're going to write what the next question was that the Savior asked and it has to, and there is a timeframe.

There's an age with this question. So let's go to third Nephi chapter 28 verse one. And Natalie, will you read that for us please?

[00:29:54] Natalie Baugh: Yeah. Okay. And it came to pass, when Jesus had said these words, he spake unto his disciples one by one, saying unto them, What is it that ye desire of me? After that, I am gone to the Father.

[00:30:06] Tammy Uzelac Hall: Okay, in column B, we're going to write, What is it that ye desire of me? But I just noticed for the first time when he says he went one by one. He didn't say to the crowd, I, that blows my mind. Can you imagine him standing in front of each one of us individually and saying, what is it that you desire of me?

And you can ask Jesus for anything.

[00:30:28] Natalie Baugh: The Holy Ghost taught me that this week too. Just, I marked that. I'm like, it's what Elder Bednar teaches and it's, it's joy, right? Can you imagine just the Savior focusing on you? That's, that's pure joy.

[00:30:39] Brooke Baugh: And I, that also stuck to me and I love like picturing. Like, I don't know why this is like I'm picturing it, but like, can you imagine?

In like a building kind of like we have like a bishops and everything's like, yeah, come to my office. Like let's talk or let's like we do temple recommend every it's like it's just you too And you're just going to testify to christ and those temple recommend And there's a rhetoric so I just like kind of picture no coming to my home like coming to my special place I want to minister to you.

Let's hash it out. Let's talk about it or let's let's figure it out I think it's so powerful because jesus probably desires a lot for us It's like, you know, what do you desire like of me? And, and I just love, I just always love where it says one by one. And like you've been in 3517 where he's like ministering to the children one by one.

I just, I just love that.

[00:31:27] Tammy Uzelac Hall: And that the people got to feel the prince of the nails in his hands and his feet by one. And there were 2, 500 of them there. That's crazy to me. One by one. I just have to sit with that for a moment because I'm thinking, what would I answer? What is it that you desire of me? I wonder if they got a couple of chances, a couple of tries, because like the worldly side of me would be like, well, let me tell you what you can, here's what I desire.

But you know, I wonder if it was, I don't like to get to where they got blows my mind because that's not where my earthly brain goes to. Let's read what their answer was. Okay, here we go. Natalie, we keep reading for us and read verse two and three.

[00:32:10] Natalie Baugh: And they all spake, save it were three, saying, We desire that after we have lived unto the age of man, that our ministry, wherein thou hast called us, I have come to an end, that we may speedily come unto thee in thy kingdom.

And he said unto them, Blessed are ye, because ye desired this thing of me. Therefore, after that ye are seventy and two years old, ye shall come unto me in my kingdom, and with me ye shall find rest.

[00:32:33] Tammy Uzelac Hall: Thank you. Ah, there it is. That's what they desire. Just write that in your column. Their answer was, when they're seventy two years old, they know.

That they are going to speedily come unto Jesus in his kingdom. That's what they desired. That is it. That's pretty awesome. What do you think? Tell me.

[00:32:51] Natalie Baugh: Just kind of nice to know, okay, this is my life. This is the time I have allotted in my life. And at 72, boom, I'm on and I'm with Jesus again and I can rest.

It's like work as hard as you can and then you can rest.

[00:33:04] Tammy Uzelac Hall: And 72 for you is like, Oh, we got a long time then. Like I wonder, was anybody in there? You don't, you want to know who was in their twenties, thirties, forties, fifties, because the 20 year old disciples are like, that's a long time. But the 50 year old disciples are like, that's not enough.

I mean, was there someone in their seventies who thought I only have two years left? It just kind of that frame of reference for an age just kind of blew my mind. In fact, it drew me to Elder Holland's conference talk. Here's what Elder Holland said in April, 2024 general conference.

[00:33:35] Jeffrey R. Holland: Virtually all my experience in the hospital during that first period is lost to my memory.

What is not lost is my memory of a journey outside the hospital out of what seemed the edge of eternity. I cannot speak fully of that experience here. But I can say that part of what I received was an admonition to return to my ministry with more urgency, more consecration, more focus on the Savior, more faith in his word.

I couldn't help but feel I was receiving my own personal version of a revelation given to the Twelve nearly 200 years ago. Thou shalt bear record of my name, and send forth my word unto the ends of the earth, morning by morning, and day after day. Let thy warning voice go forth, and when the night cometh, let not the inhabitants of the earth slumber.

because of thy speech. Arise, take up your cross and follow me. My beloved sisters and brothers, since that experience I have tried to take up my cross more earnestly, with more resolve, to find where I can raise an apostolic voice of both warmth and warning in the morning, during the day.

[00:35:27] Tammy Uzelac Hall: Okay. So after hearing that, I wanted everyone to write down immediately comes to mind when you hear this question. If you knew you had more time to live, how would you take up your cross more earnestly and with more resolve? What does that mean for you personally? And I asked you to, to think about this.

What did you write down? What does it mean for you personally to take up your cross more earnestly and live with resolve?

[00:35:54] Natalie Baugh: I would, like, Google it and remember, like, what does it mean to take up the cross, you know, and remember, like, the New Testament scriptures that talk about it, and I think it just means, like, Christ carried his cross, but we can help him, like, joint with Christ, take up the cross, just continually to doing what he does, like, multiple times in these verses, or in these chapters.

So it's like, as I am, or do what I would do, you know, like, I'm gonna leave, but continue to work in my name. And so I just was thinking of like, just what would Jesus do? And more earnestly and with more resolve, it's like, okay, yeah, maybe spend more time in the temple, like visit my neighbors, help, help a friend, make dinner for friends, like do the things that I've been like, Oh, yeah, I should make dinner for that person, like actually do those things.

And like, just speak of Christ more, and, and just show more love to people.

[00:36:47] Brooke Baugh: Yeah, I, I just like, I love getting to like, think more deeply about like, taking up your cross. I like, looked that up in the Gospel Library app, and it took me to the talk, The Greatest Possession by Elder Holland. And one thing that I, I just wrote in my notebook, I just wrote like, wholehearted and unreserved devotion to divine responsibility.

And I just love the words he uses, like, wholeheartedly, like, taking a firecrusher, like, wholehearted, unreserved devotion to divine responsibility. So, to me, just like, just like giving everything to God, like, giving my whole soul unto Him. And, uh, he also shared a quote. C. S. Lewis says, I don't want your time or your money or your work as much as I just want you.

That tree you are pruning, I don't want to cut off a bridge here and a bridge there. I want the whole thing down. And that tooth, I don't want to drill it or crown it or fill it. I want to have it out. In fact, I want you to hand over to me your whole natural self, and I will give you a new self instead. In fact, I will give you my self.

My will shall become your will. And I just, I don't know, I just love that. It's probably so hard for me to like, give my whole self to God sometimes, or give my whole self to Christ. Because I'm like, no, like, this is like, this is so important to me, like, this is the plan I want. Like, I know, like, I know this is what I want.

It's like, no, I have something greater, like, just like, trust me. But it's so hard to like, trust in that sometimes when you can't see it. And I just love that, like, we just, I, I'm still working on it, but it's like kind of giving your whole soul out to him, kind of like when I was saying like, follow the inconvenient promptings and like, even though it's inconvenient or like, takes a lot of time to make dinner, maybe like just do it or I don't know, I just, I loved the words like wholehearted and reserved devotion to better, to better myself and my interactions with people and like, kind of like that, I just like wrote like your list, like I want to give God more praise and like in my interactions and I want to follow every prompting and, yeah.

I don't know. I just love like Elderhall and kind of puts into perspective, like, like, what are you going to do? I don't know.

[00:38:46] Tammy Uzelac Hall: Your answers, both of you answered that question perfectly. And I think this question, it's good. It's a good reminder for every single one of us, no matter what our age is. I was talking to my husband just the other night.

About how life is so interesting because when you're in your twenties and thirties and forties, you're constantly wondering what's next. What am I going to do next? And you're trying to build on your career and earn more money and do the next big thing. And now we're at a stage in our life where I find myself wondering, what can I do less of?

What can I cut out of my life so I'm not so busy because I'm going, I felt like I'm kind of on the downhill slope and this question kind of buoyed me up like, no, sorry sister. This is not the time of life to think of doing less because now you have more time. So maybe you could do a little more. You could take up your cross a little more earnestly.

And both of you have mentioned following the promptings of the spirit to cook a meal or do something kind. And it draws me to my favorite verse of scripture. Well, okay. It's not. It is my, I love it. I have so many favorites. Are you guys the same way? I have so many favorites, but I love doctrine and covenant section 11 verse 12.

And this is just the best verse when it comes to following promptings of the spirit. So let's go there real quick and we'll end with this section 11 verse 12. And Natalie, when you get there, will you read it?

[00:40:03] Natalie Baugh: Yeah. And now verily, verily, I say unto thee, put your trust in that spirit, which leadeth to do good.

Yeah, to do justly, to walk humbly, to judge righteously. And this is my spirit.

[00:40:16] Tammy Uzelac Hall: Okay. I'm going to pause there because we'll read the next verse. But look at that. Verse 12. Anytime that any prompting you have to do something good, just humble. It's his spirit. Any thought for good is the Holy Ghost telling you to do something.

So just do it. Don't even question it. If it's a thought for good, it's the spirit. But then verse 13, it goes back to this idea and Brooke, when you're teaching in the MTC. So Natalie, read verse 13. Verily,

[00:40:40] Natalie Baugh: verily, I say unto you, I will impart unto you of my spirit, which shall enlighten your mind and which shall fill your soul with joy.

[00:40:48] Tammy Uzelac Hall: There it is. At any time you follow the promptings of the spirit, you will be filled with joy. So I can't think of a better reason to then, like you both have said, just follow those promptings and do what the spirit's guiding you to do. So thank you. Thank you for your discussion on that. That was awesome.

Okay. So immediately then immediately after this question was asked by Jesus and those I had to do the math. Those nine gave their answer. There were three who didn't say anything. We're going to find out what that question was for them and what their answer was next.

Now, everybody grab a pen and a highlighter because we are going to mark up 3rd Nephi chapter 28 verses five through 40. So in column C, here's the next question. We're going to go to 3rd Nephi 28. Verse 4. And Brooke, re read verse 4 for us.

[00:41:45] Brooke Baugh: Uh huh. And when he had spoken unto them, he turned himself unto the three, and said unto them, What will ye that I should do unto you, when I am gone unto the Father?

[00:41:55] Tammy Uzelac Hall: So there's the question. What will ye that I should do unto you? Oh, this is good. Now, here's their response. Keep reading for us and go to verses five and six.

[00:42:07] Brooke Baugh: And they sorrowed in their hearts, for they durst not speak unto him for the thing which they desired. And he said unto them, Behold, I know your thoughts, and ye have desired the thing which John my beloved, who is with me in my ministry, before that I was lifted up by the Jews desired of me.

[00:42:23] Tammy Uzelac Hall: Thank you. Okay. Cross reference to the outside of those three verses. Put Doctrine and Covenants, section seven. Because Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery received very specific revelation through the Urim and Thummim regarding John and where he was and what was going on. And that's how we know that he is still alive on the earth today.

So we have John the Beloved and the three Nephites. Now, here's what we're going to mark up. Because Starting in verse seven, all the way until you get to the end of verse 40, there are some pretty significant things that the Savior promised the three Nephites. So I asked Natalie and Brooke to just kind of go through and highlight any of the verses that you were like, wow, this is incredible.

I can't believe they're experiencing this right now, or some of the promises they were given. So we'll just start with you and we'll go Natalie and Brooke and take turns. Give us the verse and tell us what it says. Verse seven, never taste of death. Yes. Highlight that ever. Isn't that

[00:43:22] Brooke Baugh: crazy? Even Versailles, like they sorrowed in their hearts and like, they didn't speak.

I was like, that's it. Just, I know that, like, I was like, what does it mean to like, sorrow in their hearts? I don't know. I thought just it, why? Well, let's talk about, why do you think they did sorrow? Why would they be sad?

[00:43:40] Natalie Baugh: Cause Christ was going to leave them. Oh, I like that. No. Cause in the first question too, he's like, after that, I am gone to the father.

Like, what do you want after I'm gone? You know, to remember me by, or, I don't know, maybe the three Oh, and I wonder if John the Beloved was even there. You know, cause he was still around. Right?

[00:44:02] Tammy Uzelac Hall: And what we know is that he could have easily been there because one of the things they can do is they can go wherever they need to be.

I thought that was kind of cool. And that they, and that's in verse 30. They can show themselves unto whatsoever man it seemeth them good. Oh, that's a good one.

[00:44:18] Brooke Baugh: Yeah. I

[00:44:19] Tammy Uzelac Hall: do wonder if he was there. That's a great thought, Natalie. Okay. Keep going. What else? What are some other things?

[00:44:25] Natalie Baugh: Changed from mortality to immortality, just like in an instant.

In verse

[00:44:30] Brooke Baugh: nine, it says that they won't have pain or sorrow in the flesh and that they like desired just like, I don't know if that's one, but just like desired to break people's.

[00:44:43] Tammy Uzelac Hall: When it comes to that one, what did you notice about the pain and sorrow? It says they won't experience pain and sorrow in the flesh, but what, what kind of sorrow will they experience?

In verse nine.

[00:44:54] Natalie Baugh: Like the world will continue to get probably worse and worse and they'll get to watch it and see it and They're probably very sad that they have not that they have to be in that world But just that the world is going in that direction

[00:45:07] Brooke Baugh: Mm hmm,

[00:45:08] Tammy Uzelac Hall: but then that's what you shared Brooke You am the thing the Holy Ghost taught you because even though they're gonna have sorrow for the sins of the world They will still have a fullness of joy.

I like how he tells them that it's gonna be hard, but you'll still be happy

[00:45:19] Natalie Baugh: And their, I mean, their whole reason of wanting to have this immortality state is so that they can minister and preach the gospel because of the joy that they feel from it. And because without Christ, I think they all maybe probably felt a resolve to be like, but we need to do everything we can to minister and serve and let other people feel this joy.

Even if they don't get to stand with Christ, we're the next best thing, you know, like we can stand for Christ.

[00:45:46] Brooke Baugh: And then I loved like, is it like verses 19 to like 20, 22. Cause it kind of gives like examples of insanely hard things that they went through, but God delivered them. They were in prisons and, and it says in verse 20 that like by his power, they were delivered out of the depths of the earth.

And then 21, they were cast into a furnace and received no harm. And they were cast into a den of wild beasts and they received no harm. And I just thought that was really cool. Like they, like, these are like kind of insane things that happen to them and they receive no harm. And I just was like, Whoa, I don't remember that happening to them.

Invincible.

[00:46:20] Tammy Uzelac Hall: Invincible. Yeah. The greatest superhero you could imagine are the three Nephites and John the Beloved.

[00:46:26] Brooke Baugh: Same. Especially in like verse 27, the letter is like, it will be among us, like the Gentiles, like they'll be among us and we'll know them not. But I just love that. Like, I also think it also teaches.

That God sends angels, whether it's the Jesus Christ or other people in our lives, like, to help us out, like, whether they're earthly angels or heavenly angels, like, He's never not wanting to help us and like send angels to our aid. They're among us.

[00:46:51] Tammy Uzelac Hall: Yeah. I, it's so amazing to me to think that after the savior, then like from the time that the savior leaves the earth and all the apostles are killed, think of all those generations and years, people often wonder, like, was there the priesthood on the earth?

Because after the 12 apostles died and then the, and then we're going to find out what happens after in fourth Nephi, isn't it amazing that the Lord never left the earth without his power. Ever at any

[00:47:17] Natalie Baugh: time, it was there the whole time.

[00:47:20] Tammy Uzelac Hall: Yeah. We've got these four men who have the priesthood keys on the earth for the people.

And then you think of all those eras of time that, and the years that we, they went through of just being. Really, the apostasy and people were so confused and just uncertain about what to believe. And then boom, we get this restoration. I mean, you can just see it play out so perfectly and beautifully. I think it's a powerful witness to us of God's plan and of his church and that we're living in the restoration and we're continually getting things restored.

That's so hopeful for us. It's just. Yeah. Good stuff. Okay. So these are our three Nephites. Thank you, ladies. You did an excellent job. You covered everything that I would have covered. So that is so cool. We end in verse 40. And in this state, they were to remain until the judgment day of Christ. And at that day, they were to receive a greater change and to be received into the kingdom of the father to go no more out, but to dwell with God eternally in the heavens.

Just like you guys taught that that's exactly what's going to happen to them. So they got their answer and they got what they asked for. So now that we have these questions asked and answered in the next segment, we get to learn some specific terminology or a Hebraism that's going to shed more light on Jesus's teachings and the prophet Joseph Smith.

We'll do that next

turn to third Nephi chapter 30. And I'm going to tell you what we want to write next to verse two. So in Hebrew, there is this term called possessive pronouns. So put that next to third Nephi chapter 30, verse two, right to the outside possessive pronouns. And there is some serious redundancy in this verse.

Any English teacher would tell you, get rid of the constant use of this word. So let's read verse two. And Brooke, will you read this for us? Yeah.

[00:49:23] Brooke Baugh: Turn all you Gentiles from your wicked ways and repent of your evil doings, of your lying and deceivings, secure abominations, and your, uh, Idolatries, and of your murders, and your priestcrafts, and your envyings, and your strifes, and from all your wickedness and abominations, and come unto me, and be baptized in my name, that ye may receive a remission of your sins, and be filled with the Holy Ghost, that ye may be numbered with my people, who are of the house of Israel.

[00:49:49] Tammy Uzelac Hall: Okay, look at verse two, highlight every time you see the word your, there it is, your lyings, your whoredoms, your secret combinations, your idolatries, your murders, your priestcrafts, your envyings, So redundant, right? You don't need to do that. You just need to put a comma and this list, all the things that are yours.

Okay. This is such a fun Hebraism. So I'm going to show you a couple of other instances of this in the old Testament. Let's go to Genesis chapter 10 verse 20, and you can put these cross references next to this verse in third Nephi. Do you just want to see where this also takes place? Okay, Natalie.

Genesis chapter 10 verse 20. Here's an example. Will you read that for us?

[00:50:28] Natalie Baugh: Mm hmm. These are the sons of Ham after their families, after their tongues, in their countries, and in their nations.

[00:50:35] Tammy Uzelac Hall: Okay, short example using the word there. Let's look at a longer one. Let's go to Exodus chapter 20 verse 10. And, Brooke, will you read this?

Sure.

[00:50:44] Brooke Baugh: But the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God. In it thou shalt not do any work. Thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger, that is within thy gates. Lot

[00:50:56] Tammy Uzelac Hall: of they's, sorry, lot of thy's, we don't need all those thy's, but we do in Hebrew.

And then Exodus chapter 27 verse 3 is the last cross reference. And Natalie, will you read that one for us?

[00:51:08] Natalie Baugh: Yes. And thou shalt make his pans to receive his ashes, and his shovels, and his basins, and his flesh hooks, and his fire pans. All the vessels thereof thou shalt make of brass.

[00:51:19] Tammy Uzelac Hall: Thank you. So you can see this redundancy of pronouns.

And this is how you write in Hebrew. We don't write this way in English because it takes too much space. And so a lot of times people will want to consolidate, but actually in Hebrew it takes less space because of the way you end the way you attach pronouns to words in Hebrew. So this is just a really cool, another awesome example of how Joseph Smith did not know Hebrew.

So, as he was translating, it would have been well within his right to get rid of all the yours in 3rd Nephi chapter 30 verse 2. And he didn't. And he kept that in there. So I just, every time I see a Hebraism, we have to point it out because Joseph Smith is a prophet of God.

[00:52:01] Natalie Baugh: I love that. So, the Hebraism means, Like your lines, the word in Hebrew would be lines with like a different ending.

Yes. Yeah. Okay. So that's really cool. Yeah.

[00:52:13] Tammy Uzelac Hall: Yep. Absolutely. It would have another thing attached to it. So you would just read it consistently and you wouldn't have to write out a whole Y O U R. So it would just be the way. The

[00:52:20] Natalie Baugh: word itself denotes that it's meaning that. Yeah. That's cool.

[00:52:24] Tammy Uzelac Hall: Awesome. Oh, that's neat that Russian's like that.

I didn't know.

[00:52:27] Natalie Baugh: Every word.

[00:52:30] Tammy Uzelac Hall: Yeah, that language. That would have been hard. I love

[00:52:34] Natalie Baugh: the Hebrewisms. It really is a testament. Was the Book of Mormon written mostly in Hebrew?

[00:52:42] Tammy Uzelac Hall: Oh gosh, that's such a great question. Well, okay, turn with me. Go to Mormon chapter 9. Oh, this is so good. Mormon chapter 9. And we're going to look at verse 31 through 33.

To help answer that question. So this is Moroni speaking on behalf of his dad, Mormon, behold, I speak unto you as though I speak from the dead. Oh, sorry. Verse 30. He's saying, behold, I speak unto you as though I speak from the dead, for I know that ye have my words. Condemn me not because of mine imperfection, neither my father, because of him, his imperfection, neither them who have written before him, but rather give thanks unto God that he hath made manifest unto you our imperfections, that ye may learn to be more wise than we have been.

Amen. And now. Behold, we have written this record, according to our knowledge, in the characters which are called among us the reformed Egyptian, being handed down and altered by us according to our manner of speech. And if our plates had been sufficiently large, we should have written in Hebrew, but the Hebrew hath been altered by us also.

And if we could have written in Hebrew, behold, ye would have had no imperfection in our record. Now, knowing that, then, no one knows what Reformed Egyptian is, but everyone assumes it's a combination of Egyptian and Hebrew, because in 1st Nephi, chapter 1, at the very beginning, when Nephi says, I, Nephi, having been born of goodly parents, He says in verse two, yea, I make a record in the language of my father, which consists of the learning of the Jews, which is Hebrew and the language of the Egyptians.

So that is how we, we don't fully know what reformed Egyptian is, but we know it's a combination of Egyptian with Hebrew. Hebrewisms, if it could have been written all in Hebrew, it would have been perfect, which is why we love to go and find out what words mean in Hebrew, especially Old Testament year. Oh, I can't wait for that again.

Everyone knows it's my favorite book, but when you can find verses in here and you have words and you look them up in Hebrew, it does alter the meaning. It changes it. I've always feel like it draws me closer to Christ when I can look up what the actual meaning is in Hebrew. So does that help answer your question?

[00:54:55] Natalie Baugh: Yeah. I love that. Thank you. You're welcome. Good question.

[00:55:00] Tammy Uzelac Hall: Okay. So then here's what we're going to do in our last segment. We're going to discuss fourth Nephi, glorious and wonderful fourth Nephi, or is it? We're going to find out in the next segment.

Okay. You two, give me words that you would use to describe glorious fourth Nephi, at least the beginning. Give me words to describe fourth Nephi.

[00:55:31] Natalie Baugh: Is it funny? I didn't want to mark the destruction verses because when I look at my verses, I'm like, I want them to be good things. I would don't want to mark things like these are actions of death or wrote them in my notebook, just because I don't know.

I'm like, I want the mark different. I need a new color. But man, there's a lot that brought them down. They were, let's say an in. They put the value of the world above the value of Christ and themselves.

[00:55:59] Brooke Baugh: Mm hmm.

[00:56:00] Natalie Baugh: Stopped reading the scriptures, they willfully rebelled.

[00:56:04] Tammy Uzelac Hall: So what was, what were they like before all that happened?

[00:56:07] Brooke Baugh: Yeah, that's like what's up to me. It literally was talking about how all things were common among them and they were unified because they loved God and they loved Jesus Christ. And like, there were great, like I love in verse 5, there were great, marvelous works wrought by the disciples of Jesus. Like, they healed the sick, they raised the dead, they caused the lame to walk, like, all these amazing, incredible things, like, and miracles.

We're all happening and they were unified and there was no contention because everyone was converted into the Lord. And I lived it on this side. I like rope. Can you even imagine like a world with no contention of people being healed all the time? Like I, I do believe there are people being held, but like I made it so hard to see that or like to believe in it.

So I don't know, but it is cool. Like how many things are happening

[00:56:50] Tammy Uzelac Hall: before it. Yeah. I'm thankful that you brought up verse three, let's mark that. And they had all things common among them. Idea of that has changed because when you read all things common among them, tell me what you think that means. Or what it could mean.

[00:57:07] Brooke Baugh: I think at first, like my mind goes like, Oh, like they have like the same likes the same dislike just generally. Yeah. But then the more I think about it, I'm like, probably just like they had all things common among them as like their beliefs in God because everyone is so different. So I don't know.

[00:57:23] Tammy Uzelac Hall: Oh, I like that.

I like verse three because I have a friend and many of you know her cause she's been on the podcast, Becky Farley, but one of the things she constantly teaches, she does mindfulness and meditation. Yeah. And she talks a lot about this thing called common humanity where everybody recognizes that we're all struggling or that we all have the same issues and it's important to acknowledge that with each other.

Like, Oh, you're afraid right now. I'm afraid. For instance, she was recently on a little spotlight on a TV show and she was really, really nervous. And she said on camera, she talked about common humanity and she said, I think there's one thing I could teach. Every human being in every family. It's common humanity.

And she said, in fact, we just did this before we, before I came on the show, I was sitting in the green room with all the other guests and we all were scared. And so we all talked about the fact that we're scared to be on the show right now. And we're really nervous. And I was like, She just, she just totally acknowledged.

She's scared to be on a TV show in front of hundreds and thousands of people watching this, but that's common humanity. Like, we're all nervous. And then, so when I read in scriptures that all things were common among them, I thought, can you imagine a relief society room where we just practice common humanity?

Like if everyone could acknowledge in my singles board, we all are sad because we want to get married or we're all struggling right now because we're looking for employment. I just that idea that we're or we're all struggling right now with our kids. I think that idea of all things common among them, like you said, it really does bring people to this sense of who they are and who they follow and Jesus is going to help them.

And truly there could not have been a happier people except these people at this time. So life's pretty great for the people of fourth Nephi. And then as you said, until it isn't. And so I asked you guys this question, is spiritual death an event or a process? What did you guys think about that question?

What's your answer? I

[00:59:17] Natalie Baugh: think a process. Tell me why. I just think it's, it really is the, like, the little things, right, will get us to Christ. It's, it's remembering to pray or read your scriptures, but the little things will also help you forget Christ pretty quick. I think more quickly than the other way, because it's down, instead of climbing.

But yeah, it's, it's forgetting, forgetting to remember God and Christ in your life. That's kind of where it, where it starts. And that might be triggered by an event or just. being overly confident or pride. I mean, pride is probably where it all begins, right? Just like one little thing of, Oh wow, I did that.

Or, Ooh, look at this. I have this. And that's kind of where it starts in, in these verses too.

[01:00:03] Brooke Baugh: Yeah, no, I agree. I just like, it's totally a process, like 23 Mormons. Yeah. Like they became, they multiplied and became rich. Like, that's like kind of where it started. And it's like, and it became prideful on 24. And then like, it just like slowly more and more, you like get down to like 27 where it's like, they'd be, yeah, like.

There were many churches which professed to know the Christ, yet they denied the parts of the gospel. And then like 20, it's like the power of Satan like took hold upon their hearts. So you're just like, like in my head, it's just like a process, like little by little, it's just like, and they just like crash.

[01:00:33] Tammy Uzelac Hall: Mm

[01:00:33] Brooke Baugh: hmm.

[01:00:34] Tammy Uzelac Hall: Tell me about this process when you come home from your mission. It seems like it's so that is like a real defining moment in all of post missionaries lives.

[01:00:44] Natalie Baugh: Talk to me about that. It's, it's so interesting just like seeing Brooke and now my, our little brother just got home from his mission. I made a comment like Stratton had finally said something like rude to me a few days in from being home and I was like, there he is, he's back, you know, I was like, He's not as different as I was thinking, and my mom's like, well, were you?

Or are you? And I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa. Like, I thought I changed a ton on my mission, but no, like, we're still the same people. We're better and closer to Christ, but, but after, what, eight years, I have to reflect and really think about, okay, like, where was my testimony then, and where is it now? And like, what am I doing to continue to know what I believe is true?

And, Yeah, it's been interesting. I've had many companions, um, be less active or leave the church, and I love them, and we talk still, and I get to hear their experiences, and sometimes my brain just can't comprehend how they get to their own conclusions. But it really does just kind of start with, like, a little thing that they let, they let grow and, and they just start believing different things.

And it's tricky to, to hear their experiences. Just because when you know something's true for you, you just want others to believe it too. And it's hard. I don't know. I always just have hope that in the end, everyone will just come back and it'll be grand and glorious. But, yeah, I think they're learning their own lessons and what they need to learn right now.

And, and, I don't know, you just have to hope and keep loving. Um, and it, it propels me to want to just make sure I stay converted to just because I know the blessings. And if I keep remembering the blessings, then hopefully I'll stay too.

[01:02:28] Tammy Uzelac Hall: Okay. I have a followup question. I'll ask you in just a second, Brooke, do you have comments on that coming home from your mission?

[01:02:34] Brooke Baugh: Yeah. I just. One of my thoughts was, I had a mission counselor that told me before I came to my mission, he's like, When you go home, it's probably, okay, no, I can still be doing this, but I'm like, doing level, okay, I was just trying to describe it, but he was like, Hill, valley, hill, valley. Hill, valley, yeah, he's like, the goal is like, you're gonna have hill valleys, but it's slowly inclining up.

Like, you're gonna fail, but it's like, what do you do after you fail? Like, get your pet, like, go back up again. Like, in some ways, it's gonna be like Earth Day, there's gonna be moments like Trials of Earth Day, and moments where you're like, yeah, I'm so faithful. Or things like that, and, I don't know, I, like, I just feel like everything's like, little by little, like, I feel like I was converted into the Lord, little by little, it was like, through the small and simple things, I mean, that's the same what we've seen in 4th Nephi, like, on your mission, you're just so focused on other people, and that's probably, like, why I, like, felt so much strike, because you're, like, not really thinking about your own problems, you're just, how can I help these people, how can I help the missionaries around me, the, the people in my ward, like, I don't know, it's just, A cool experience to focus so much outwardly.

And when you get home, you're like a young adult and you're like, Hey, what are you, like, what school are you going to? Where are you going to live? Who are your, who are your roommates going to be? It's kind of like the redundancy. Like, what are you going to do with your life? Who are you going to marry? All these things.

And so I'm like, that's been on my mind is just like, I feel so self centered and I just like, I'm not as kind as I'm like, Oh wait, no, I need that. And. I don't like that. I don't like, I want to change. And I'm like, I, I'm grateful I can recognize that cause I'm like, okay, I want to change. And I know it's going to be yet again, a process little by little.

Really?

[01:04:02] Natalie Baugh: That reminds me. So we've done a few family trips recently, and I'm just amazed how rude our family can be to each other. I'm like, what the heck? We're all

[01:04:11] Brooke Baugh: these grown adults.

[01:04:12] Natalie Baugh: We're good people.

[01:04:13] Brooke Baugh: And you love

[01:04:13] Natalie Baugh: each other. Like we have so much fun also. I'm like, not to put our family down, but we do have so much fun too.

But Brooke and I, like, we were like, okay. Usually, when we say something rude or lash out, it's because there's an underlying problem that we're focusing on on ourselves. Right. On your mission. You don't have that. You don't really. I mean, sometimes you did, but you really just don't worry about all these problems that in.

That make you act out more. And so Brooke and I would be like, okay, why are you, why are you being rude? Like what's bothering you inside that you're not wanting to admit, you know?

[01:04:45] Tammy Uzelac Hall: Yes.

[01:04:45] Natalie Baugh: And that would help us just be like, okay, yeah, it's because I was feeling or thinking about this and think outward. And it was really cool.

Definitely

[01:04:54] Brooke Baugh: taught, like the spirit only taught us. We were like on a run in Nashville actually. And then I really, why like, so like in kind sometimes to each other, like we think it's like an underlying problem. Like maybe it's like, I don't know, but it's helped us a ton.

[01:05:10] Tammy Uzelac Hall: Okay, so here's my follow up question then, because it sounds like, and I think many of us have experiences, we have times in our lives where we are fourth Nephi. We absolutely are the beginning part of fourth Nephi and things are good and we have all things common and life is awesome and we've never been happier.

And then you have that you came home from your mission or you're coming down into the valley. What is your advice to people who are in the valley? What has helped you to get out of the valley and come back up top? How did you do that after your mission? Like what's something that has helped you?

[01:05:40] Natalie Baugh: My first memory is, I was in BYU Jerusalem, best place ever, and I went and met with the branch president there, I think, to get callings or whatever, and I was just kind of like, I've been home from my mission for a year, and I just don't feel like I know anything, like I'm, I'm living where Jesus lived, yet.

Why do I not feel connected or close to him like I did a year ago? And I just kind of felt like I was having more doubts than I ever had in my life. I'm like, I just served a mission. Why are these doubts hitting me? And he was like, first of all, the fact that you're noticing where you're at means you're doing just fine.

You're still on that uphill climb because you're, you're aware of, of where you want to be going. And it, you might be low, but you're still going up. And that just kind of stood out to me. And then I just had to shift my focus a little bit. But yeah, I think when you're down in those valleys, you have to latch onto any little bit of light you can.

And that could be just like a smile or a hug from a friend, like. It doesn't have to be a crazy spiritual experience, but just maybe a simple prayer to just hold, hold on a little bit longer in the dark.

[01:06:49] Tammy Uzelac Hall: That's great advice. I agree. I absolutely agree. Thank you, Natalie.

[01:06:54] Brooke Baugh: I love, honestly, I don't know. I feel like I'm still learning this, but this is something I always talk about.

Natalie, like probably hears me talk about this all the time. Like anything and everything. Like in Sunday school, really excited, you're like in my family. One thing that has been like a game changer for me is, and it started like a little bit before my mission actually, like when I was a senior in high school, I started to write down how I saw God's hand like every day.

And, cause I like listened to a talk by Elder Eyring where he talked about that and he like, I wrote how I saw God's hand every day, no matter how late it was or however I felt. And some days I'm like, I don't know where he was, but like, without a doubt, even if like I have that thought, like, I don't know where I saw him.

This bear always like it might take like, I don't know, 30 seconds, but like this bear always teaches me a moment. I'm like, Whoa, he was like aware. And sometimes it's literally so simple. It's like, honestly, the sun shining or literally like a good meal or, but then other days it's like, Whoa, like this was like an actual, like, it might be like a miracle of, Following this prompting and I don't know there's like just it's just been a game changer Shrining like how do I see God's hand and it helps me like usually every time after I write it Like in my journals like God is in the details Like he's in the details of the details of the details of our life And it just more and more teaches me of the nature of God and like helps me to I just think celestial I think that just helps me like to ground myself and just like okay No, like even though today was a really hard day I know that God's there and like tomorrow can be like a better new day And so I feel like that, it's just, like, I talk about it often because it's been such A thing that has taught me about, like, the nature of Heavenly Father and helped me so much.

[01:08:36] Natalie Baugh: Brooke, how do you actually do that? Like, I did that on my mission. It's my prized possession, the one journal that doesn't have any complaining. I've seen the

[01:08:44] Brooke Baugh: Lord's hand in my life. I do it. Have you guys ever seen the, like, five year journals? It's just, like, one line a day. So, like, I have a journal that's literally just, like, dedicated to God's hand and it's, like, one line a day.

Wow. So, it's literally just, like, this tiny little journal and it's, like, over five years and I just finished my first five year one so now I'm on the next. So, it's kind of fun and so now it's just, it's literally just, like, there's just, like, a tiny bit of room so it's just, like, one line a day and I write down God's hand

[01:09:11] Tammy Uzelac Hall: every day.

[01:09:11] Brooke Baugh: You do it right before bed? I do it right before bed no matter how late it is.

[01:09:15] Tammy Uzelac Hall: Right before you go to bed.

[01:09:17] Brooke Baugh: That's right.

[01:09:18] Tammy Uzelac Hall: Oh, my gosh. I can't believe you guys are talking about this because I wish I don't have time to go get it, but I have one too. I called it my joy journal and I did it every night before I went to bed when I was going to BYU.

And it's like you said, a tiny little book. And I would write one line of something that day that made me happy or that I felt joy. And I didn't, and for years I've kept, I write the date and then something to remind me of that. And I've gone back and laughed because I remembered how those moments brought me so much joy.

Okay. But what's fascinating is then you go to the book of Galatians, which teaches you all the ways you can feel the spirit. And the first two are love, joy. Peace long suffering and then I realized it's not just a joy journal. It's the spirit journal It's all I felt the spirit so many times and I wasn't even really recognizing I just thought oh that made me happy today, but I was feeling the spirit too And that is a I I will double down on everything they said everybody get a joy journal or make one or get a piece of paper and Just try it try it for a couple of days and just see if it doesn't change the way you have the outlook towards life and towards the The savior.

Oh, that's so cool. You two

[01:10:23] Natalie Baugh: paired with gratitude, right? Like there's this happiness challenge and it's like, do these four things every day. It's like a small act of service. Few things you're grateful for. And there's two more I can't remember, but yeah, like I remember on my mission, we were trying to figure out how we sell the Lord's hand and it was really, really hard.

A lot of time rushes Russia. But one time this, like we were walking by a fruit stand and we were just saying hi to this cute little fruit seller. And I think he didn't speak Russian. I think he spoke a like a danien language, but he just like handed us a melon and like my cute trainee at the time, like when we were reflecting, she was like, that brought me so much joy.

She's like, that's how the Lord's hand was in my life. We got a free melon. And I was like, today I saw the Lord's hand in my life by getting a free melon. You know, like it just reminded like it's those joy. It's those little things and like it might not be a crazy spiritual experience, but it could be a little thing just that God acknowledges.

Okay,

[01:11:19] Tammy Uzelac Hall: so let's do this then, because it was just one little thing that began the journey of the people in fourth Nephi to go from being at the happiest people of all to then turning away from Christ. And we're going to mark what that one little thing was. So go to fourth Nephi. We're going to look at verse 20.

It says, And he kept it eighty and four years, and there was still peace in the land, save it were a small part of the people who had revolted from the church and, there it is, taken upon them the name of Lamanites. Therefore they began to be Lamanites again in the land. This goes full circle back to what we started out at the very beginning with remembering who we are.

Remembering whose we are, we should say, because all they wanted to know is what should we be called? And they are called the church of Christ. And this group of people are like, Nope, we're not, we're going to change our name. And we are going to be Lamanites. Here's a really great quote. This comes out of the book, doctrinal commentary on the book of Mormon about this one little thing, the fact that they chose to change their name.

And we're going to read this quote and think of ways that we can remember him. And Natalie, can you read that quote for us?

[01:12:30] Natalie Baugh: Why would it matter to a people what they were called? Why would it be so important for them to be called Lamanites? Why would a group choose to forsake the transcendent privileges of unity in order to be designated by this or that name?

The answer is simple, pride. A desire to be different, a yearning to be acknowledged, a fear of being overlooked, a craving for public notice, the righteous feel no need for attention, no desire to be praised, no inclination to demand recognition. The prideful demand their rights even when they are wrong.

The prideful feel that they must do things their way, even when that way is the wrong way. The prideful insist that they must pursue their own path, even when the road they take is wide and broad and leads to destruction. Wow. Wow. Whoa. That is so cool. Tell me why you think that, Nat. Well, my, I'm trying to bring back those things I did on my mission, right?

Just to remember. Who I am and one of them was I would choose a Christ like attribute to work on and and actively pray for it in every prayer and to be blessed with that gift and do things in my life more that way. And I've been focused on humility right now and it's like, just seeing these written out, like, what that pride looks like, like, yeah, you want to be different.

You want to be acknowledged. Like, I live off of validation and wanting to be acknowledged. I need to get rid of that, you know, like at work or in my family or in relationships. The downfall. And it's amazing when you start to recognize like these are what pride is. It's wanting to be noticed. It's wanting to have to be praised, right?

And then the opposite of like, what do the people who aren't prideful do and feel like?

[01:14:14] Tammy Uzelac Hall: So good great thoughts Natalie. Yeah, this is this really struck me because I was as I was reading fourth Nephi I could mark plenty of things they did that were wrong and we did there was a lot of obvious things But when it went back to this one little thing first, they just wanted to be different Change their name.

They didn't want to be called the church of Christ anymore. And it just, again, I love how both of you started us out by wanting to be remembered and we want to remember Christ. And that's the key to all of this is just remembering him and remembering that we are called by his name and that because of that, then I think it's awesome that he will plead our cause.

He will, he just will because he's our family and he wants to be there for all the important events. And so we just have to turn to him. So thank you, Natalie. Thank you, Brooke. That's the end of our discussion. Wow. That was so fun. Okay. So take a minute. Just gather your thoughts. And what's one thing you'll take away from our discussion today or something that stood out to you?

[01:15:14] Brooke Baugh: Okay. Mine is kind of, I feel like it's like kind of like everything we talked about. But, especially like what we just talked about, like the pride. Like me and Nat talked a little bit about how there's moments in our family where we're not very kind to each other. And I think it's because of pride. In those moments where like, for example, one, we were in like college and apparently me and Nat were sharing a bed.

And one night we were both like, exhausted. We honestly, we're here so tired and there was this fan that we had and I really wanted the fan on because I was like, I can't sleep when it's hot and like you're sleeping with a person so it's like warmer and she's like, like Brooke, I can't handle this out.

Like, you got to turn it off. Like, it was just like this going back and forth. I was like, nah, no, I need the fan on to sleep. She's like, no, I need it off to sleep. Like, you just turn it off for five minutes. I'll go to sleep. Then you can turn it back on. I was like, you were just like. Let me sleep for five minutes.

It was just like, funny, but it was like, our pride. Like, no, like, my way to write, right? You know? And then, like, eventually, like, I don't know, like, Natalie, like, moved it, and it, like, stopped making the noise. Natalie, like, stopped making the noise, and we could leave it on. And I swear to the Lord, I'd be like, that was not a big deal.

Like, why were we I think we were, like, high in just, like, emotions, because we were both, like, half asleep, and so But, even in those, like, little things, I just wanna, like It's hard, but I wanna strip myself of pride. I wanna just I wanna Kind of going back to Elder Holland's quote, I wanna be wholehearted, and Giving myself to God, I want to pray for humility and to tell God, like, I want to be your devoted disciple.

I want to know Christ and feel him more. And I think being humble will help me feel him more and learn more about him. So yeah, that's

[01:16:57] Tammy Uzelac Hall: like my takeaway. That's a great takeaway. Thank you, Brooke. And thank you. I love that you guys are a normal, real family because let me be clear. These people are pretty phenomenal.

This whole family is amazing and I love them so much, but now I'm glad to know that you're also normal. So thank you for sharing that. It's not about the fan. So good. What about you, Natalie?

[01:17:20] Natalie Baugh: Mine was also humility, but it stemmed from 3 Nephi 27 27 and the very end says what manner of men ought ye to be, verily I say unto you, even as I am.

And I was, I was kind of thinking like, why do we need to be like Christ? You know, like people are always like, I'm trying to be like Jesus and I want to be like Jesus. I'm like, why? Like, why do we need to be like Christ? Like, yes, we love him, but what's the need for us to be like him? And I, like, throughout this episode, I learned, like, it's, it's the joy we feel when we're like Christ.

And we learned from his disciples, like, they wanted to be like Christ, and Christ served and taught people his gospel and his doctrine. And it was fun. I learned the difference between gospel and doctrine. Gospel is Jesus's life and stories, and then doctrine's his teaching. Oh. And it's like, the story of Jesus is, Who he is and we learn of him and it's beautiful and then his doctrine is have faith repent and go to the end You know the gospel the gospel and doctrine.

I don't know. Sometimes they're synonymous, but that's neat I just think as I am like being like Christ is getting out of myself Bringing missionary work back into my life because that's probably the quickest way to forget yourself and go to work do your church And be filled with that joy, but it's like joy with pure intent, right?

It's not prideful and being like, Oh, I'm going to serve because I feel better when I serve. It's, I want to serve because I love this person and I love God. And yeah, doing all that increases your love for Christ.

[01:18:51] Tammy Uzelac Hall: That's my goal. Oh, that's a great goal and an awesome takeaway. Thank you for both of you. I think you've inspired all of us listening to remove our pride and do things for people.

So thank you to both of you. My takeaway is our cross reference Jacob three, one Brooke. Thank you so much for reminding us of that and that he really does plead our causes. And when we're united in mighty fasting and prayer, I love that idea that he is there with us and he is kneeling with us in that chapel and Jim praying.

With all of our hearts that things work out the way we want them knowing that if it doesn't though, he's still there with us. So I think that's so cool. And then Natalie, I love it when you said Jesus is our stain remover. That was so cool. And just like, we're great way to teach that. I hope I get to teach primary again and bring some, you know, stain remover or something, or show them that.

So that is, I think that's a great way to explain that. So thank you. Great discussion though. Everything you guys shared. I love it. Wow. I'm so glad we did this in the morning because it's a great way to start our day. How fun. Thank you for taking the time to record before work and before school and all of that.

So you guys, I hope you have a great day. I love you both so much. We love

[01:20:00] Brooke Baugh: you.

[01:20:01] Tammy Uzelac Hall: Yes. Wow. What a fun discussion. I love those women. Now, what was your takeaway? Go and join our group on Facebook or follow us on Instagram to share what you have learned. And you can even ask questions that I will answer throughout the week.

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