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[00:00:00] Morgan Jones Pearson: In 2005, Ryan Shupe and the Rubber Band released the band's only charting single, a song titled Dream Big that was infused with positivity and hope.

Although a one hit wonder, that one hit packed a big punch that took Shupe on a ride that perhaps he couldn't have even dreamed up. Now, nearly 20 years later, yes, that makes me feel old, Shupe joins us to reflect on that wild ride and what he learned in the process. Winning over live audiences has been Ryan Shupe's natural born talent since childhood.

A fifth generation fiddler, he started performing as a young boy. Shupe later formed the Rubber Band and the band took the long running Telluride Bluegrass Festival in Colorado by storm, winning the live band contest. This launched them into the national music scene and after signing with Capitol Records, they hit number 13 on Billboard's U. S. country album chart. with their signature album, Dream Big. Their title track from that album continues to be an audience favorite and has garnered over 2. 1 million streams on Spotify.

This is All In, an LDS Living podcast where we ask the question, what does it really mean to be all in the gospel of Jesus Christ? I'm Morgan Pearson, and I am honored to have Ryan Shupe on the line with me today. Ryan, welcome.

[00:01:25] Ryan Shupe: Hey, thank you. Thanks for having me.

[00:01:28] Morgan Jones Pearson: Well, I learned. so much, Ryan, about you. I'll be honest.

Most of what I knew going into this interview was the song Dream Big. That was pretty much the extent of my knowledge of your life. Um, but I found a couple of really great articles on the Deseret News. Doug Robinson and Lee Benson are two of my very favorite writers for, for D News. And they both have written not only about you, but about your dad.

Um, and so I wanted to kind of start with your I found an article that talks about how your dad is the father of bluegrass music in Utah, which is a lofty title, and that he came from a long line of musicians, but he says himself that he's not a great musician. However, his talent lies in how to teach and inspire and promote others.

You have been a product of that teaching and inspiring and promoting. I'm curious, is he just being modest about his musical abilities or is that true?

[00:02:28] Ryan Shupe: You know, he is a pretty good musician. He is kind of modest that way, but I think more than anything, he has the ability to Focus on things, right? So he, he just decided, okay, my, you know, I'm a fifth generation fiddle player, right?

So he played in my grandma's dance band and then all my cousins played fiddle. And, and there's these, these pioneer journals of people who, you know, are saying, Oh, I'm, I'm going to go down to the dance. I'm going to throw the fiddle on my back and ride the horse down to the dance. And, you know, back then, of course, if you didn't have music, you.

Didn't you didn't have someone playing music. You didn't have music. So I feel like I can imagine in my mind that, you know, they were kind of popular. You got to have the fiddle player there to have a party. Right. But I heard about other, you know, family gatherings and stuff. So I think along those lines, he just thought, you know, you know, I need to teach my kids how to play music.

And I think it kind of stemmed a little bit from he was a big. Kind of like athlete, he was always playing basketball and all this stuff, but then when he found that he kind of got a little older, he, he was like, well, what am I going to do now? You know, so he, I think he started thinking, well, music would be the thing that you could take with you through your whole life.

So he's like, I'm going to teach my kids to play music. So then he got me up. I was the oldest. So he started on me first. I was the experimental child, I guess. And he got me up. Two, two hours before school and practiced every day and, and I, I don't know if I knew any different. I just. You know, got up and I think he just thought, well, I guess Brian is getting up and he's, you know, he's focusing on it and willing to take it.

And, and me, I just didn't know any different. So I just kept playing and playing. And then he did that with me until, till the other kids got a little older and then he's kind of started on them. And then I just, you know, then he didn't focus as much on me and then he started focusing on the younger kids.

But by then I was already, you know, pretty, pretty good at the fiddle. So, um, so yeah, I think he. You know, in answer to the question, he is, he's, he's pretty, pretty good on the piano. He plays things and, you know, and he plays the violin, you know, like not, not that great, you know, but he does play bass and he plays like upright bass in, you know, a couple of bands and he's done that a ton and he's, he's good at that.

And I think he, you know, he might be right. He's what his, his strength is, is just seeing a goal and seeing How to get there and then working really hard to do a crazy idea that most people would maybe think is crazy, but he just pursues it and makes it happen.

[00:05:13] Morgan Jones Pearson: Yeah. Okay. So you said 2 hours before school, but I need people to understand that this was 5 a. m. Poor, poor.

[00:05:21] Ryan Shupe: It might have stunted my growth, I'm not sure. But anyway, ,

[00:05:24] Morgan Jones Pearson: I was gonna say, poor Ryan is over there thinking like all kids get up at 5:00 AM to play the fiddle, but that's, that's crazy. First of all, the dedication. Um, I'm curious, what does it mean to you in retrospect to have had that time spent with your dad?

[00:05:47] Ryan Shupe: Well, I do think he. I think he's was really, I think he valued that time and he felt like it was, he was doing it to help out his kids. And he, he wanted to spend that time with his kids. And so I, I, for me, I value that he was around and. Was willing to spend that time and I feel like I know that he, you know, he, he, he loved us enough to, to really put, you know, part of his life aside and try and give us something from that.

[00:06:29] Morgan Jones Pearson: From what I understand, he had you in your first band at the age of 7 and you toured all over the place. Is that right?

[00:06:38] Ryan Shupe: Well, around, I think around, Well, probably in seven, I was probably playing with what they called the shoot family fiddlers, which was my, my uncle's family traveling, you know, they would go around to all these different wards and stakes and different events.

But then by the age of 10, he decided that he wanted to organize a little kids band. So he organized a little kids bluegrass band and we were called the peewee pickers. And we. Just went and traveled all over the country. I, so I never, I never really went to, to scout camp in the summer. Cause we were always gone traveling all over the country, playing at these random bluegrass festivals and the world's fair and going on to random TV shows and doing stuff like that.

So it was. It was an interesting growing up. Yeah. Not a, not a traditional, you know, I don't, I don't know anything different, but it was definitely fun. It was like every summer you just jump in the RV that we had and, And, you know, you had all your other bandmates with you and we had, you know, family and friends and we just kind of would roll in and just, you know, as a little kid, you're just fascinated by all the different areas you got to go and they had different stores and different food.

And, you know, I remember we just, we got to some place and they gave us grits and we didn't know how to eat them. So we put sugar on them and everybody was looking at us like we were crazy, but so.

[00:08:03] Morgan Jones Pearson: Uh, it's funny that you say that because the very same thing happened at the MTC. I observed a lot of people come up on grits for the first time and I am from the South, so I knew exactly what you do with grits, but I watched them load theirs up with like brown sugar and stuff and I was like, this is a critical error.

So, um, I, I understand how that could happen. Okay, so you continue to practicing with your dad five days a week into your teenage years. You mentioned that you recognize now that not everybody does that, but what, what did you feel like that taught you about hard work and dedication to a craft like music?

[00:08:48] Ryan Shupe: Hmm. That is a good question. I. I think that, you know, they have that meme or that saying where you have to spend the X amount of hours to master something. And I'm, you know, I don't know.

[00:09:01] Morgan Jones Pearson: 10, 000, I think.

[00:09:02] Ryan Shupe: Yeah. Yeah. Whatever it is. And I think that that, you know, kind of, kind of plays into that, you know? So I think it's true.

I think from that, I feel like what I learned is that if you, if you really want something And if you, you're going to have a better, better chance of achieving that, if you just buckle down and work really hard, you know, and, and so I think, yeah, that is a really good question. I think that, I think that's just kind of taught me, you know, determination.

And if you, you work towards something, you can achieve kind of crazy ideas. And I think that's one thing that my dad instilled in me was that you can, you can accomplish crazy things. And if you have an idea that it might seem out of the box, it's fine. You can, you can go for it and try it out. And if it works, it works.

And if you don't, then at least it was worth trying.

[00:10:08] Morgan Jones Pearson: You dream, dream big.

[00:10:12] Ryan Shupe: Hey, it's a, it's a theme, right? If you dream, dream big.

[00:10:14] Morgan Jones Pearson: Yeah. Okay. So we mentioned that you were in this band as a little boy, but your dad mentioned in this interview that I read that you would typically be found just like go into town on the fiddle, but with your head down, uh, you were not much of a showman and you said that that didn't change until after the show.

your mission. What about a mission changed and turned you into more of a showman?

[00:10:41] Ryan Shupe: Well, that is okay. So I think just before I was just a little kid and, and my dad got me up to practice, it's almost like anything, right? You're like, go out there and do the thing that you, your parents taught you. So you just kind of did it and you just went through the motions.

And I wasn't really, I don't know if I was, You know, I was just a kid, so I was just, I just wanted to go goof around. And so it was almost like a, some kind of a chore a little bit to play, you know, not, not a chore, but just, and so anyway, then after my mission, I came back and I, that's, you know, I started kind of getting into music and.

I played bluegrass when I was a little kid, but I kind of, kind of was more into rock music. Right. So as I started getting more into it and learning about that, and well, I think after your mission, as far as like creating music and stuff, I think the more experience you have in your life, the more you can kind of apply those experiences to songwriting or creating.

Music and, and so I think on my mission, it was great because I got to run into a lot of different people, we kind of developed. empathy and putting yourself into other situations. And that, you know, couldn't can help, you know, that helped me see the world through different eyes and through different people's perspectives.

And so I think when I came back, I just, that's when I started, I think when I came back from my mission is when I started when I was in college. And that's when I started thinking, you know, Hey, like, who doesn't want a band in college? Right. You know, that's just like a cool thing to do. So. I, that's probably when I just really thought, you know what, I kind of want to kind of want to do this.

And so then when you start doing it in the way that you want to, then you maybe start kind of like enjoying it more. And plus I, I kind of realized that. You know, you realize things as you're older, you're like, look back and think, wow, I was kind of just like a little daddy kid that was just out there playing and, and maybe I need to, you know, look like I'm having more fun and because I am having fun.

And so I think that's, that all played into it.

[00:12:53] Morgan Jones Pearson: That makes a lot of sense. You also said of your mission, I played better when I returned, I understood people better and you mentioned that empathy, but you said it made your songwriting better. How did it impact your songwriting? serving a mission. And where did you serve?

[00:13:09] Ryan Shupe: I went to Portland, Oregon. Okay. Um, very cool. Yeah. Yeah. It was great. It was raining up there. I didn't know, you know, when they said, Hey, it rains. I was like, I like rain. Then I got up there and I realized that it was a different kind of rain. But yeah, I think that that was kind of the first. Well, that was the thing that I realized most is seeing other people's situations and, and, you know, you get thrown into a lot of different situations outside of your comfort zone when you're on a mission.

And so I think, you know, seeing those different sides of things and people and situations and going to different places and, you know, I think just pushing yourself outside of what you're normally. think you're capable of doing or your normal comfort zone is just really good, good for you in general. And I think as far as songwriting thing, yeah, I just, I saw different people.

I gained, you know, more empathy and, and just gained, you know, just different, different viewpoints. And I think that that's kind of essential for songwriting.

[00:14:18] Morgan Jones Pearson: So Ryan, obviously you had been performing, writing music for a very long time before Dream Big ever became a thing before we all heard it. But tell me a little bit about what inspired that song because I think so many listening love that song and I do.

Tell me about what inspired it and how did it become such a big hit from your perspective?

[00:14:46] Ryan Shupe: Well, okay, so Dream big. Well, okay. I feel like this with songwriting and I think a lot of songwriters would kind of agree. Sometimes a song is just kind of given to you. I heard some quote from Tom Petty and I think it basically kind of said that he felt like he was like the instrument and there was external forces, you know, kind of like wind that would influence him and blow.

through him, and then he was able to create these songs, right? It was something along those lines, and I also heard someone else say that, and I've always kind of felt that with certain songs that I don't really know where it came from in particular. I just felt like it kind of came to my mind, and then I was able to write it down, you know, really quickly.

So dream big was, was one of those songs where I was just sitting there, I saw this quote that someone sent me and, and it was somewhere in the quote. It said, you know, dream big when you dream, dream big. I just instantly started thinking about that, that quote that I saw. And then I just sat down and.

wrote the song really, really quickly, like within, you know, like a half an hour. And, and so I kind of feel like really blessed and lucky to be a part of a song like that, because I kind of feel like it was a little bit of a gift to me. And, and I think why Dream Big is so impactful. I've thought about this for a while.

I, it's a really simple song, right? It doesn't have A ton of lyrics and it's, well, it's just a simple song, but when people hear it, you know, certain people hear it, they, they really are affected by it. And I, I do get letters and emails and stuff even now from people all over the world that here dream big and they are affected by it.

And I think that, I think art can be, can, can have a spirit about it. Right? So, so I think, When people create something, it's kind of created in the spirit of what they were trying to create. And, and I think Dream Big has a spirit about it and people, they just feel it. And then they, and, and then it just, it just resonates with them.

You know, so I, there was just so many stories of when we were, even when we were touring, when we were signed with this major label out on, uh, we had this bus and the bus driver would come in and he would, He would just hear us. Uh, he said, I came in one, I came in to hear you guys. Cause you know, I just want to know what, what you guys were doing.

And he just came in and he was just kind of, um, he was kind of surprised. He was just like, he just described it as this. He said, you guys, you know, you were playing, but it was like, it was like there was, you know, he said something about light, like there was just light there or light around you or something.

So whatever the case may be, he, he came in and when we were playing, he. You know, just felt something. And I, you know, I don't, I hasn't hesitate to say something like that. Cause it's like, I don't really feel like we're like these, you know, great, you know, holy ambassadors of anything necessarily, but I think we're trying to, to live life and create music and art in with a certain spirit and, and.

And, you know, infuse that goodness into the world. And so whatever he experienced, he came and was able to kind of latch onto that, that feeling. And, and so I think. I think that's why. And so I always encourage people to create art with a spirit that will be what you want it to be and, and, and make and promote good in the world.

[00:18:56] Morgan Jones Pearson: Well, I think that one thing too, that you may not be giving yourself credit for. I feel like you play music, Ryan, with a lot of joy. And I think that joy resonates with people and it's like, Oh, like this guy. understand something about life that maybe I don't have or I'd like to have in my life. You said after that song kind of blew up, you said, I guess it was sort of a self fulfilling song.

When I wrote it, I wasn't actually planning on playing music for a living. And I wondered, is it, was it hard to have a song that really took off like that one did? When I'm sure you've written like thousands of songs and then you hope that like others will have that same trajectory or do you just feel like so grateful for the way that that song has resonated with people and kind of carried you in and how it carried you into a career essentially in music where you've been able to continue to do it.

[00:20:02] Ryan Shupe: Yeah, I think music is such a crazy, you know, weird business in, you know, in and of itself. And it's really hard to, you know, it's hard to, to make, make waves and move forward. So yeah, I'm grateful for anything that comes, you know, from us. So yeah, a song like dream big, I'm super grateful that it was able to, to go out there and, and I love playing that song and, you know, but I, you know, I love playing music in general.

I love playing all the songs, but yeah, so I I'm not. You know, I'm definitely not, you know, you've heard people like that, Oh man, I got to play that song again, but I'm definitely not that way. I love dream big. I, it's fun to play and I really am appreciative of, of the success it's it's seen and, and the influence that it has.

I, I've, I still hear stories from people, even at concerts, just even this last year, people come up after and say, Hey, you know, we heard your song dream big and it changed our life. And, and so just stuff like that really is kind of makes it worth it.

[00:21:08] Morgan Jones Pearson: Absolutely. Well, I wanted to touch on something that I found interesting.

You have turned down over the course of your career, some pretty big opportunities and have seek to remain true to yourself. It seems like, for example, you said that you felt like if you had to perform frequently on Sundays or to play in clubs regularly, that just wasn't worth it to you. Can you tell me a little bit about that?

[00:21:39] Ryan Shupe: You know, I was, uh, I was surprised at how much random stuff you guys found out about quotes that I gave online. It's funny what you can find.

[00:21:47] Morgan Jones Pearson: So I'm a seasoned stalker. So if you don't want me to find it, Ryan, don't say it and don't say it for 20 years.

[00:21:56] Ryan Shupe: You know, it's, this is like not. You know, it's funny, we have this video, just say yes, and we wanted marriage proposals to go on this video, and we went online and found a bunch of marriage proposals, and it was exactly what you were saying, it was funny, how, how, how much you could find out about a person and track them down and message them about some random video on, on YouTube.

[00:22:19] Morgan Jones Pearson: That's what I do for a living.

[00:22:21] Ryan Shupe: Yeah, it was crazy. We, we tracked down these, this couple in the Philippines, you know, like, Hey, can we use your video? They're like, yeah, sure. So anyway, you can, you can find random things online. Okay. So I, whenever someone comes to me and says, they're going and says they're going into music or if they're kind of worried about the music industry or whatever, you know, I, and this does go with, you know, kind of something that I.

You know, uh, I don't know what you'd call Ryan shoe tenant of living, and maybe other people have those same kind of things. But yeah, I think the little decisions you make are probably the most important because they add eventually into the big decisions. Right? So I think what I did is I just thought, you know, I.

There are certain things that I just kind of want to stick to. So whenever we, you know, when we go and we start talking to these big labels and they start asking us about all these opportunities, we should just set what we want to do and what we're willing to do and what we're not willing to do. And then just stick with that, because if you don't, then people are just going to, you know, ask you to do this or ask you to do this.

And and then slowly, you maybe, you know, slide or slip to to be, you know, just to kind of go 1 way that you didn't intend to in the beginning. So I think I think that was. Kind of the, what we, what we did, we just talked about it and said, Hey, I don't think we want to do this and this and this. And, and let's just try and stick the best to that as we can.

And so that's, and I think that that's just goes along with making the small decisions and they add up into the, the, the big decisions. And, and that's the thing in life. You can look back and say, hey, what if we would have done this or what if we would have done this and, and I think that those kind of things could kind of drive you crazy.

If you just kept thinking about them. I think the main thing that you have to do is just think, okay, what did I know? What did I feel good about? At that point and what did I, you know, what did I feel like I wanted to do and what I was willing to do and what I wasn't willing to do and then just stick with that and and then come what come what may that's just the way it is because then you can just you can live contented with knowing that you did the best you could and you did what you set out to do.

So, I don't know if I articulated that

[00:24:54] Morgan Jones Pearson: No that makes it makes perfect sense. And it's interesting to me thinking about that's 1 thing that my parents always told me was, you know, decide in advance what you're going to do in any given situation. Because when you have to make it in a split 2nd, you know, you may not make the right 1, but if you've made it well in advance, you will.

And I'll tell you this story because Ryan just recently met my parents and you've met my dad. So you'll appreciate this. But he had this experience when he was in high school where he was driving. He was in a car with some people after a football game, and there were members of the church that he went to church with in the car and the person driving the car pulled over and said, all right, if you're not drinking, get out of the car.

And my dad is like, this. 16 year old boy, you know, obviously every 16 year old kid is trying to fit in. And my dad said there were like people, it was, the car was packed full. And so my dad had to like get people out of the car for him to exit the car. And he always says, he's like, yeah. I still think I can feel those eyeballs like glaring into the back of my head as I walked away from that experience.

But he's like, that could have changed my whole life. And he's like, I had made up my mind like well before I was ever in the car that that wasn't something that I was going to do. And so I think there is a lot of value in making those decisions in advance. And it's a good reminder to me to hear you say that.

Just because I think I've always thought of it as like a teenage principle, but it's also true as an adult that you decide in advance what you will and will not do and kind of don't budge on that.

[00:26:46] Ryan Shupe: And I think that you don't, this is another thing you don't need to, how's this, you can learn from other people's mistakes.

So, you know, that's 1 thing that I. I have done, I see someone and I say, okay, this is where they're at. And these are the choices they've made. And, you know, so these are some of the big choices they've made. So in reference to like your dad, for example, I have seen someone and they, you know, they, you know, they would maybe drink or they do drugs and I would see how their life is going.

And I say, you know what, I, I, I don't, I don't need to. Do that because I, I can see where that might end up. So, you know, you don't need to, you don't need to make every mistake to learn from the mistakes. You can just look at someone else and say, Oh, I can see that that led them to not a really great place.

So I'm just, that's, that's fine. I don't need to do that. And so I think that that principle applies. You know, across, across the board, right? There's just so many things that you can, you can see and go, you know, I don't want to end up like that. So I'm going to make the decisions, you know, and I think, yeah, you, you hear it as like a kid, but even now, you know, even throughout your life, it's, it's just important to always just, I think it's a, I think it's like a principle throughout your whole life.

[00:28:03] Morgan Jones Pearson: Yeah, well, and I also think the flip side of what you were just saying is true as well. I always feel like one of the biggest testaments to the truthfulness of the gospel of Jesus Christ is what it does for people in their lives. And so to me, it's always been like, okay, if I'm going to look at people and how they've lived their lives and how their lives have turned out, like what kind of life do I want to have?

Think like you can very much look at people and, and say, okay, I want to, I would like to be like so and so and then you do it on purpose. Like you, you follow the trajectory of people that you think have, have got the kind of life that you'd like to have. And I think God blesses us for being intentional and, and in a way, I guess that's like dreaming as well.

Like, It's a kind of ordinary form of, of dreaming big, but like looking at the kind of life you want to have and deciding to do what it takes to get there. And I think living the gospel is a big part of that.

[00:29:10] Ryan Shupe: You were saying it's important to dream big. And I think that that's, I think that that's, that's true.

And I think. There's this weird balance between all things that in in the gospel and in the world and everything. Right? So that's one thing that I've always kind of thought about and contemplated is So you wanna you want to dream big and you want to be? You know, this, so for me, for example, I want to be this musician and I want to do all this stuff, but every, the only thing we, we don't have, the only thing you can't buy is time.

And so you can only spend so much time in your life on any 1 thing. So whenever you're doing something, you're just taking time away from something else. Right? So it's just this balancing act of how far do you push something? Because you, you know, if you. If you keep pushing, then maybe you could, you could get that, but it will be at the expense of, of something else.

Right. And so I think in life in general, it's, it's kind of this always this balancing act and maybe musicians are, you know, kind of worse than other people, but I don't know, you know, because you always think, okay, I want to be. You know, I want to make an impact in the world. Maybe everybody wants to make an impact in the world.

I want to write the song that, you know, is the, that, that makes everybody's, you know, it's just like, you know, the best song in the world. And I want to, you know, go tour. And so you always are trying to aim for this. And so if you don't achieve certain things, maybe you feel like, oh man, I wasn't able to achieve that.

But then it's also. Kind of a balancing act by being content in the blessings you have and just saying, oh, but look at all the things we've done and, and look at the, the time you get to spend with your family. And so it's just this, this juxtaposition of that. And so that is an interesting thing to think about.

And I guess the conclusion I have is, um. Maybe there's no conclusion, but is that you just have to realize that everything in life is a, is a balance and you need to make sure you don't get too out of balance, you know, pursuing 1 thing or at the same time not pursuing it because you obviously, we obviously need to pursue things.

[00:31:36] Morgan Jones Pearson: I think that makes it makes sense. And it's a, it's a question of like, where do you place priority? And all of those things, I think are things that we wrestle with as human beings and certainly as disciples of Jesus Christ. Um, Ryan, I so appreciate. This conversation and your thoughts and sharing some of your experiences.

My last question for you is what does it mean to you to be all in the gospel of Jesus Christ?

[00:32:10] Ryan Shupe: Well, I think,

I think, I think referencing back to some of the things we've talked about, I think that I think being all in is, is making. You know, making the small decisions that lead to the big decision in your life. And also, I think for me, it's, it's remembering the, it's remembering the, the, the, the moments of inspiration that you have.

So if things get harder down the road, you can reference back to those things and know kind of goes along with, you know, what I was saying, when you, when you make a decision, and then you need to kind of stick with the decision moving forward, because in the time you know what you need to do. And so then when the time gets tough, that's not the time to switch your decision.

You already knew back in the day. So I think for me, you know, I've been led in lots of different ways and I've. I feel like there's been small pockets and moments where, you know, I've, I've heard, you know, a little voice tell me something or, or moments where I can definitely attribute to, you know, to God answering prayers and to guiding me in certain ways that I need to go.

And so I think. For me, it's just remembering those moments and knowing that, that God is mindful of you and guiding you and then continuing to just, you know, if there are any kind of tough times or anything, just remembering those times and holding on to them and that will, Get you through any, any future difficulties you have.

[00:34:06] Morgan Jones Pearson: I love that. I think that is so true and so essential for everybody. I feel like I just heard an example yesterday of like the goodness of God to some friends of mine who have gone through a rough year. And just like this little thing that That was like, Oh, he, like God is very aware of us. And I think you, you take those things and you treasure them up and hang on to them tightly.

And, and that's what allows you to keep moving forward and plowing forward. Ryan, thank you so much for this conversation. And thanks so much for all the, all the work that you've done. Yeah. Thanks for having me.

We are so grateful to Ryan Shupe for joining us on today's episode. Thank you also to Derek Campbell of Mix at Six Studios for his help with this episode and thank you for listening. We'll look forward to being with you again next week.