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{LDSL Blog} My Vaccination Decision

Katie Barlow - LDS Living - August 09, 2011

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I hadn't been vaccinated as a child, but now I wanted to serve a mission. My doubts about vaccines stood in direct conflict with my desire to serve.

There I was, sitting in the doctor’s office for a pre-mission physical exam and excited to serve. But among the many loose ends and questions looming in my mind, one thing was fairly certain: My mission paperwork was at a standstill because my doctor would not endorse me until he knew I received the essential shots to serve. Even though the Church would still allow me to serve within the United States without vaccinations, my doctor would not.

As an infant, I was never vaccinated. Because my older brother had a very adverse reaction to his immunizations, my mom questioned her doctor about the pros and cons. Brian was a very happy, chatty baby. But after the shots, Brian had a really bad reaction with a fever and high-pitched screams. The next morning he lay in his crib a listless zombie—hardly moving and no longer the babbling baby he was just a day before. The doctor understood her concern and my vaccinations were deferred. 

My mom said another thing she took into consideration was the fact that polio wasn’t a risk at the time, and that if there was ever a polio outbreak anywhere near where we lived, she’d make sure I was first in line to be immunized. Some studies at the time suggested immunizations may contribute to a weakened immune system (in hindsight, my mom said my siblings and I all had really good immune systems and didn’t catch half of what went around the neighborhood growing up).   She had heard that that some viruses cause cancer, and she wondered how doctors could absolutely know that vaccine viruses didn’t do the same. She believed that the less you infuse into your body, the more healthy you’ll be.

All these ideas loomed in my mind the summer I worked on mission papers. I had to make a decision about whether I’d submit to the needle to go knock on doors or if I’d remain an immunization outlaw. At that moment, what I believed was in direct conflict with what the Church was asking of its prospective missionaries.

My whole life I had many reasons to believe I didn’t need or want to be vaccinated. Obviously most people around me had been immunized and were fine, but what if I got really sick from it like my brother had? I didn’t like the idea of having inactive viruses floating around in my body when they otherwise wouldn’t be there.

I didn’t think I would have any immediate adverse effects from vaccinations, but I had to wonder, “What if down the road, I develop a disease or cancer that I may not have otherwise gotten had I not been immunized?” Would I regret it? I tend to be a worst-case-scenario thinker, and I stick to the belief that despite what doctors and researchers assert, no one can say with absolute certainty you will not suffer any negative effects from vaccinations, now or later. And how do they know with complete confidence that this “inactive strain” will really protect me from the full-blown virus? What if I am an outlier and I contract it anyway?

Ultimately my desire to serve outweighed those fears and I received the essential shots as an adult.  Luckily, I didn’t have any bad reactions and was able to serve a full-time mission in beautiful, upstate New York. But the debate I had still lives vividly in my mind.

© LDS Living, 2011.
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shanny said...

01:37 PM
on Aug 09, 2011

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This is the absolute Worst article of the "Case against vaccines" I have ever read!! I am extremely disappoionted in LDS Living for not giving a better article that actually raises question in a debate that can be life threatening for some. This article is from a civilian (whom won't recieve much credit for his word), whom struggled with a decision but ultimately gave in and was lucky enough to suffer no visible bad reactions. This article is more FOR vaccination that against. Try looking up a doctor who has experience and actual knowledge in this debate. The comments after all the articles are for more informative than the articles themselves

theflemishgiant said...

03:08 PM
on Aug 09, 2011

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This is NOT an unbiased or well-researched article. It basically is saying that anyone who questions the use of vaccines has no data to back up their position other than fear. There is plenty of research showing that vaccines are harmful. Please see my comment on the other pro-vaccine article. Many of the associated issues with vaccines such as tumors, cancer, and auto-immune conditions do not occur immediately after vaccination. (Although a number of missionaries get ear infections after receiving shots. But that's just a big coincidence isn't it?) By the way, if your stance is that "The Prophet said to be vaccinated!" this is entirely untrue. No prophet has ever commanded everyone to be vaccinated. They are men of God, not men of science. Brigham Young once said that he believed there was life on the moon, so we must we believe that too?

opr said...

08:20 PM
on Aug 09, 2011

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Google the phrase, Infowars: They Want To Inject My Kid With What?

opr said...

08:35 PM
on Aug 09, 2011

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For important information on the issue of missionary vaccinations and appropriate ways to deal with concerns regarding that issue, after Googling the above referenced phrase, look for the thread entitled, Vaccine Infowar In Cardston Country and go to page 7.

opr said...

11:16 PM
on Aug 10, 2011

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Vaccine Infowar In Alberta, Canada Hits Mainstream Press The following Letter To The Editor by a resident of Manti, appeared in the Lethbridge Herald November 14th, 2009. The Lethbridge Herald is a daily newspaper that is distributed to all the towns in Southern Alberta, including Cardston -- as well as in the City of Lethbridge. ___________________________________ Parents Need To Be Informed About Vaccine Content Recently, I was disturbed to read a report, written by Rene Leiva, MD, entitled, “A Brief History of Human Diploid Cell Strains”. The report was copywrited in 2006 by the The National Catholic Bioethics Center; and appeared in the journal, The National Catholic Bioethics Quarterly, autumn, 2006. The paper is a seven-page-report that documents how for 35-plus years now, aborted, human fetal tissue has been an integral component in many of our current day vaccines. In fact an examination of the CDC’s own website, under the vaccine ingredient section, discloses Human Diploid Cells (aborted human fetal tissue) as an ingredient…along with a host of substances known to be highly toxic to the human body, such as formaldehyde, formalin, ammonium, aluminum…and many others. Recently, I was also disturbed to read a report, written by a very well known, respected investigative journalist…who also happens to have a law degree (“Vaccinations: Deadly Immunity”, by Robert F. Kennedy Jr. …very carefully sourced…and published in both Rolling Stone and Salon). The report cited transcripts obtained through the Freedom of Information Act – about a secret meeting that took place in June of 2000, at an isolated location; a retreat center called the Simpsonwood Conference Center, in Norcross Georgia. The meeting was convened by government officials of the CDC (Center For Disease Control); and included representatives of every major manufacturer, within the multi-billion-dollar vaccine industry. Those transcripts of the meeting, obtained through the Freedom of Information Act reveal something very disturbing: The topic of discussion was about how they knew the vaccines were harming millions of children…and steps they should take to keep that information from the public. Sadly, it seems to me – information disclosed to the public about vaccinations is more often than not, information that has been carefully screened and sculpted by those who stand to profit, often to the tune of billions of dollars – by perpetuating certain public beliefs. It is my belief that parents and grandparents should exercise their right to inform themselves through sources independent from those that stand to profit by their choices – so that they might truly make informed decisions. For documentation of the above facts and to learn more, Google the phrase, Infowars: They Want To Inject My Kid With What? Dave Conrad Manti, Utah (formerly of Warner, Alberta) http://www.lethbridgeherald.com/content ... 14455/150/ _________________________________________ Subsequent to the appearance of that letter, a letter of refutation was printed in the Lethbridge Herald, which was authored by Dr. Peter W. Dibble, Professor of Chemistry, University of Lethbridge. See the following link for Professor Dibble's letter: http://www.lethbridgeherald.com/content ... 17609/150/ Here follows, the Manti resident's response: __________________________________________ Ingesting Is Different Than Injecting In his November 20th letter, Professor Dibble demonstrates that a PHD in chemistry does not necessarily translate to a sound understanding of neurophysiology. His refutation of my November 14th letter makes the authoritative sounding statement that he would have to eat half a kilogram of aluminum phosphate, in order for it to kill him. That statement is akin to the sound bite which Big Pharma has put out to quell concerns regarding mercury in vaccines – which is, “For heaven’s sake, you get more mercury from eating a tuna fish sandwich, than you do from a vaccine.” In the real world of physiology, however – there is a profound difference between ingesting a substance, wherein most of it passes through the digestive tract and is eliminated from your system – and having that same substance injected directly into the body, bypassing the digestive system, having direct access into the blood stream via capillary uptake, and access to neurological tissue in the brain through penetration of the blood-brain barrier. The professor attempts to minimize the other primary sources of documentation cited, which includes testimony from several credible medical doctors, scientists and others, by referring only to the Rolling Stone/Salon article – which I concur, certainly is not a scientific/medical publication. In reality however, the significance of the Rolling Stone/Salon article authored by Robert F Kennedy Jr., is this: those are enormous publications read by millions of people around the globe; and they understand full well the implications of a potential multi-billion dollar slander/libel law suit. They also understand that no slander/libel can be found if the material is indeed true, and can be proven to be true in a court of law. With that in mind, they proceeded (in that article) with publishing material extremely damning to one of the most powerful industries in the world – the multi-billion-dollar vaccine industry. The article cites irrefutable proof (transcripts obtained through the Freedom of Information Act) that a secret meeting occurred between the CDC and the Vaccine Industry; and that the purpose of the meeting was that they KNEW that vaccines were causing irreparable harm to millions of children around the world…and what they could do to keep that information from the public. Again for documentation of the above facts, and many others…Google the phrase, Infowars: They Want To Inject My Kid With What? Dave Conrad Manti, Utah (Formerly of Warner, Alberta) http://www.lethbridgeherald.com/content ... 20485/150/ [As noted above, the Lethbrige Herald links are outdated and no longer work, but you have here at least the text of the pieces I wrote, which should also give you the gist of Professor Dibble's failed, refutation attempt.]

opr said...

11:43 PM
on Aug 10, 2011

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The above is an excerpt from some of what you will find when you conduct the previously referenced search.

opr said...

07:30 AM
on Aug 11, 2011

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For additional info and to hear an audio recording on the subject during a guest appearance on the nationally syndicated Stanley Monteith, MD show, Google the phrase Dave Conrad LDS Liberty . Or copy paste the following url into your web browser and click enter: http://www.ldsliberty.org/author/dconrad000/

opr said...

07:49 AM
on Aug 11, 2011

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…a technical tip for those interested, when clicking the link to the Stan Monteith audio clip: If you are using Internet Explorer it may take a few minutes for the audio file to load. It will seem as if nothing is happening…you just need to be patient and allow time for the audio file to load. If you use Firefox however, it should begin playing immediately and finish loading while it is playing.

zzap62 said...

07:58 AM
on Aug 11, 2011

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I applaud Katie for her courage to follow the prophet. I agree that I have never heard a prophet say that everyone should be immunized. But a living prophet of God said that Katie should be if she wants to serve a mission. And Spencer W. Kimball said that I needed to be in order to serve a mission. The reason why most of posts here are negative is because the majority of the people, who are not overreacting to the hype and scare tactics of a select few, are content to shake our heads and wonder how so people can be so fanatical. Thankfully most people don't listen to it.

wilson-kelly said...

09:13 AM
on Aug 11, 2011

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So far in this debate, we hear the pollyanna stories. How about an interview with Dr. Russel Blaylock? How about stories from some of the missionaries who haven't recovered from the vaccines they received? I shall respect the right of those who wish to vaccinate for whatever reason, just as they should respect my right not to. No debate.

rachelle said...

09:24 AM
on Aug 11, 2011

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I agree with most of the comments here. This story, as well as the previous one, is very one-sided. If this is a "debate" as you call it in your title then both sides of the story need to be told. There is evidence of children that have been severely hurt & even have died from vaccines. Why aren't we talking about those cases? I personally knew a woman in my ward whose baby died within a half an hour after getting his first set of shots. I began immunizing my first child & she has adverse reactions to every set of shots she received. Shortly after I had my second child I started learning about the "other side of the story". I did a lot of research, for both sides, and prayed a lot.

blackninja said...

09:45 AM
on Aug 11, 2011

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I had major oppisition from my wife about not wanting to inject anything into my kids (now schools and MDs can and will put tons of pressure on you to vaccinate some MDs will drop you if you dont let your kids get the over 70 schedualed vaccines) We agreed to vaccinate half of our kids and not the other half but starting only after an age where we could have a measure of their ability to communicate and establish a baseline for before and after. Our most articulate daughter was vaccinates with 3 or 4 "essential" shots came home and the next day was studdering so badly that I almost couldent understand her this went on for 6 months and her Dr said it is normal for kids her age to have a studdering problem. After this I decided to give her a priesthood blessing and I asked god to help his daughter be well I also looked into any and everything that could rid her body of any heavy metals or other toxic elements that may have been introduced into her blood. She is now back to normal and we have not given any of our other kids any type of vaccines. I'm not telling anyone what to do here this is just what happened to my family and I'm sure I'm not the only American with this experience I just read an article that in Europe the H1N1 vaccine has caused many children to now be narcoleptic Govern yourselves with wisdom and if you make a deceision that you felt was unwise the All Mighty will always be there to pick up the pieces

rachelle said...

09:46 AM
on Aug 11, 2011

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Sorry, I hit submit before I was finished... My first daugther, who recieved vaccines until she was 2, had multiple ear & yeast infections and she was constantly getting colds. She was never in daycare a day in her life, so it wasn't from that. When my second daughter came along, I knew she was different. I had a friend in our ward whose baby died 30 minutes after recieving his first set of shots. I began researching, both sides of the story and prayed...a lot. I came to the conclusion that this was not right for my children at this time. I have six children now, my first is a senior in high school this year. My children are very rarely ever sick and have very good immune systems. My first daughter that consistently got yeast & ear infections as a baby only got them until we stopped immunizing and then they stopped. Hmm, concidence? I don't think so. Of course we have still had some sickness, but it's very rare. I honestly feel in my heart that something pretty severe would have happened to my second daughter had I continued with immunizing. And, as far as the myth that your children cannot attend school without being immunized, it is just that...a myth. All six of my children have been in public schools. I simply sign a exemption form at the school. I don't go around judging people because they immunize and others shouldn't judge those of us that don't. Most of us have done the research and I hope, have prayed about it. This is a pretty big decision and should include the Lord, just as most decisions we make. Just because it is right for some, and some may never have any reactions, doesn't mean it is right for everyone. Just because one doctor tells you this is what you should do, doesn't mean that he/she knows all the facts. As in many medical decisions you should do your research and you should pray about it. When my boys are old enough to go on a mission we will pray and decide what we want to do then. The choice not to immunize does not keep someone from serving a mission, it just limits where they can go, as previously stated in the article written before this one. In my opinion it doesn't matter where my child serves, it's the whole idea of serving the Lord that really matters. One main thought here is that these vaccines, with many harmful ingredients, are being shot into tiny little babies and toddlers whose immune systems are weak. When you are grown and have a stronger immune system your body will more than likely be able to handle those vaccines and be able to fight off the bad and accept the good. Many families now are delaying vaccines, until the children are a little older and have had the chance to strengthen their immune systems. Ultimately this decision should not be taken lightly and you should do your research and include the Lord in your decision.

bendmorris said...

10:58 AM
on Aug 11, 2011

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I'm a disease ecologist - I study the cause and spread of disease. It really disturbs me when I read articles like this because the fear surrounding vaccines is unwarranted and puts everyone else at risk. It's very hard to determine causation - that one thing absolutely caused another. When your child is vaccinated and shortly thereafter develops some kind of sickness or problem, it's natural to want to blame the vaccine. It's similar to thinking that I got the flu today, and I had spaghetti for dinner last night, so the spaghetti must have made me sick. Research does not hold up such suspicions. If vaccines really did cause problems like autism and other learning disorders, the rate of autism in vaccinated children would be higher than in unvaccinated children, and this has been PROVEN not to be the case. The reason we still vaccinate against polio is because it is still very prevalent in other parts of the world, especially Asia. All it would take is one person carrying the virus to come to America and spread it to those who haven't been vaccinated. Recently an unvaccinated family from Utah went to France to pick up their missionary, and one of the boys developed measles, which he brought back to Utah causing an epidemic in unvaccinated kids. There was aso an outbreak of whooping cough in Utah recently. It was scary for me because my baby was only one month old at the time and there were cases at the elementary school down the street. These diseases are extremely dangerous to infants, and mine was too young to be vaccinated. (He has since been vaccinated and has had no problems - but even if he did, I would not have jumped directly to the conclusion that the vaccine was to blame.) The more people forego their recommended vaccinations, the worse these epidemics are when they happen. Pediatricians are not evil, money-hungry scammers trying to make money off of dangerous treatments. They recommend vaccination because it is the safe and responsible choice. I hope that if you truly study and pray about the issue you will see that this is true. Keep in mind that if the Church officially requires vaccines in their missionaries and all worthy males are expected to serve, they can't be that bad.

carollm said...

11:22 AM
on Aug 11, 2011

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I age with Ben. Although the prevalence of diseases in the United States seems to be low, we are not alone in this world. People from those countries where certain diseases are still around come to the US and can harm those not vaccinated. Babies are immunized as soon as possible because the diseases are so harmful if contacted. I think it is irresponsible to not vaccinate your children. You are putting young babies and elderly people at so much risk. Yes there is a very very small chance something bad will happen but would you rather run the risk of all of your children running the risk of getting a disease that will do far worse damage than a vaccine. By not fascinating your children you are allowing that if you go anywhere outside the US they run a high risk of getting a disease. I am annoyed that this article was published in a magazine with LDS in it. The church obviously wants its missionaries to be vaccinated so I think an article with the title the case against vaccines apparently associated with the church is wrong. Shame

blackninja said...

12:44 PM
on Aug 11, 2011

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This article bares no shame it is an honest look at a very controversial subject.....heres a side note for all you pious Drs and everyone who thinks my unvaccinated children put you at risk (excercise your right to pump potentially dangerous chemicals into your body and call it a day) I you think the chicken pox vaccine provides all takers with a life time immunity to that virus you need to do more research I'm not demonizing all vaccines here but you can't dispute the obvious statistics of 900% increases in children in countries that had 50% of their kid H1N1 vaccinated Time to wake up and smell the coffee Some vaccines are harming some people and the no MD required over 70+ vaccines is beyond absurd They are currently spending small fortunes on a vaccine to cure obesity..... This is MDs gone wild trust your instincts in all things especially your kids and your health!!

blackninja said...

12:47 PM
on Aug 11, 2011

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That was supposed to read 900% increase in Children having narcoleptic symptoms after 50% of kids were H1N1 vaccinated

shanny said...

12:50 PM
on Aug 11, 2011

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Bendmorris, can you find me the "PROVEN" study done that "PROVES" the rate of autism is not any less in unvaxed vs. vaxed? I have heard there has never been one done. Interested in reading that! One more question: As the comment above by rachelle, would you blow it off as a "coincedence" that a baby died within half an hour of vaccines?!! Oh, wait,let me guess... she and many other families must be lying about their personal experiences :-/

blackninja said...

01:55 PM
on Aug 11, 2011

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I'm Interisted in a disease ecologists scientific point of view as to the cause and origins of Lymes Disease.... ?'s like has the American deer tick always carried his disease and if so why is there so little info on the subject And why would it be a disease particular to the north east region of the US... Also why don't we have an effective vaccine aginst this massively disabeling disease? Thanks The black Ninja

conquerthyself said...

09:30 PM
on Aug 11, 2011

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My view on vaccinating anyone, including children, is that there is always a risk, but those vaccinations are necessary. There is a risk we will be hit by car while driving, so we wear a seat belt. We are cautioned to do so to save our lives in the event of an accident.Some immunizations do not prevent someone from getting a disease, but it is just enough exposure to keep them from dying from it. I'm not belittling those who practice their right not to immunize. I am a member of the Church, and a registered nurse working for a school district. I see both sides coming to me with questions about immunizing. Vaccinations were developed for the masses, to prevent disease. Immunizations prevent plagues. Preventing plagues saves lives. That is what the medical field is all about. Saving lives. Heavenly Father gave us science, but he also gave us intelligence and the ability to reason, and to call upon him for guidance. But if we are given guidelines, from the First Presidency, as to what is necessary to protect our dear missionaries from illness, then we should follow that guidance. Risk is a HUGE part of LIFE. I feel horrible for those who have had their sweet children taken, either from this Earth or that they are not the same child they used to be. Whenever something bad happens to us, it is our nature to need to blame something or someone, so we can cope. There are studies going on constantly trying to connect cause and effect from medications. I pray that those who are conducting the studies, find accurate and conclusive information for closure on this matter. Until that time, when we are 100% positive of the connection, it is my duty to encourage immunizations of all for the greater good of this country.Not because I believe they are perfect, but because I see that they do more help than harm. May the Lord bless those who have had loss, and still suffering loss, and needing resolution to this problem.

bendmorris said...

10:13 PM
on Aug 11, 2011

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I suspect you're being facetious about wanting to read the studies showing no link between vaccination and autism. If you're serious, here's one from a reputable medical journal to start you off. Note that you can easily find many more studies yourself using Google. http://cid.oxfordjournals.org/content/48/4/456.full Of course I would never blow off the death of an infant - what a terrible tragedy. That's why I promote vaccination - when we decrease the prevalence of infectious diseases, it's infants that are most benefited. The evidence we have does not seem to suggest that vaccines are responsible for everything that's attributed to them by grieving parents.

blackninja said...

11:09 PM
on Aug 11, 2011

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A fundemental part of the ancient medical hippiocatic oath is to cause no harm when you completely bypass our God given immune systems and put imunologic stressors into infants with a super undeveloped immune system and there are hundreds of documented accounts of infant death to disorder some occurring almost imediatly this should give you a moment for pause. The fact that our government has approved far too many drugs that harm up to thousands and also documented 170,000 deaths per year solely based on drugs based interactions or reactions should be enough of a wake up call for your average Joe to dig deeper when a Dr nurse or anyone else highly recommends you follow their potentially deadly advise Side note if we have so many wonder drugs to cure polio rubilla typhoid fever and the list goes on and on then why the guilt treatment and scare tatics to get 100% vaccinated if we have ready and avaliae cures for most or all of these? ........Objective people can separate infant vaccination from adults and at least recognize that there might be better delivery systems which allows for a mucosal barrier to be passed through instead of giving vulnerable  babies a capillary direct injection  God created us not the American Medical Association

blackninja said...

11:14 PM
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A two-month-old baby boy died within 10 hours of being administered a shot of DPT vaccine at a medical camp in Srikakulam district on Wednesday. The boy, Savara Praveen, died at his home in Savara Jhoudupally of the Maoist-infested Meliaput mandal, about 175 km from the district headquarters, on the Orissa border. The infant was among 15 others who were given a DPT shot on Wednesday morning. But sources said the boy was given hepatitis-B vaccine along with the DPT shot. Family members said Praveen started frothing at the mouth, turned blue and died around 5.30 pm. Sources said Praveen, who was born on June 2, was administered the vaccination by a health worker of Asha. The boy's parents -- Savara Janu and Annapoorna -- are farm labourers belonging to the tribal community. The child was doing well for the first few hours after the vaccination, but cried a lot in the afternoon, and by evening, he died. What worsened the matter was that there was no provision to take the baby boy to a nearby hospital. "We did not plan for an ambulance or medical support," a health official said, adding that it was supposed to be a routine programme of immunisation where nearly 10,000 kids were given the DPT shots. Source: India Today, August 2008.

shanny said...

01:08 AM
on Aug 12, 2011

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blackninja~ that is sad. But as I read it, after reading so many other posts, I would like to respond for all the Hardcore, ProVaxers cuz I feel like I have read evough of the same thing over and over I can now read their minds. LOL : "There is no scientist or scientific study that proves that child died from the vaccine! One child out of 10,000 is an acceptable loss for the good of the country!" Interesting concept that vaccines are used to wipe out diseases so NOBODY has to catch them, yet the vaccines themselves are what is wiping out people recieving them.

shanny said...

01:10 AM
on Aug 12, 2011

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1 child out of 10,000 seems an acceptable loss, Unless it is YOUR child. Reminds me of the saying "all the people that are FOR abortion, have already been born"

bendmorris said...

09:21 AM
on Aug 12, 2011

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Does it make you feel good about yourself to paint everyone who doesn't agree with you as uncaring baby murderers? Shame on you.

frenchmommy5 said...

09:32 AM
on Aug 12, 2011

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Maybe to blackninja 1 in 10,000 is an acceptable loss of life. How about this question then: if we don't really know how truly effective vaccinations are (the recent outbreaks of whooping cough have had more previously vaccinated victims than non-vaccinated), then what is so worng with waiting for the natural disease to develop natural immunities? Once in a long while in history there are epidemics and even pandemics. Those who emerge from those terrible epidemics (which are unlikely to occur in our sterilization-happy times, btw), have strong immunity to said diseases and carry on stronger posterity. So, is the previous loss of life not acceptable. Especially because, as long as those souls who departed were repentant, and since most of their family also preceded or followed them in the passing through the veil, they are probably better off and progressing very well, eternally-speaking. You want to think "globally" about the one loss of life in 10,000? Why not think eternally about the better, stronger bodies that will house future spirits. Doctors don't vaccinate pregnant women, in most cases, because of the risk (I am still foggy about the policies on each vaccination, but most are considered not appropriate for pregnant women). Does that indicate something? Yes! They DON'T KNOW and admit they DON'T KNOW what may happen to the unborn child if they vaccinate. Is this not disconcerting for those of us without that condition who are deemed fine to receive something that is POTENTIALLY dangerous and about the great scientists know only that they are told by groups funded by pharmeceutical companies who develop (and make money from) the "required" vaccines?

blackninja said...

10:21 AM
on Aug 12, 2011

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I am quite sure that 1 in 10,000 is an acceptable number to spare for the greater good of producing unmatched profits according to the drug company that made this vaccine but simple math puts this into better perspective That's 10 babies dead per 100,000 20 babies dead per 200,000 40 babies dead per 400,000 90 babies dead per 900,000 And unfortunalty with numbers like this if you immunize the entire US population as each babie is born you end up killing over 5,000 American sons and daughters more than double the death toll at the September 11th attack on America  Now these kind of numbers are formidable PR problem for who ever created the vaccine so if you are a smart drug company you are going to need more than one scape goat to transfer this blame onto (SIDS sudden infant death syndrome, shaken baby syndrome and many others I'm sure carry some not all of vaccines blame) If you are reading this comment and think these type of calculations don't take place in board rooms then put on your thinking cap....... if you support this behavior that is your choice but at least make a conscious choice to do so don't hide behind a title or government agency Again..... I'm saying that vaccines I think have a place but only when administered at appropriate ages and with the best "delivery system"  to allow our immune systems time to react instead of our current protocols of direct injection.... Also when you calculate the above deat tolls I'm not as concerned with the babies thats die (which is obviously a tragedy) but I'm more concerned with the ones that live with permanently damaged nervous systems and immune systems Etc.... this is unacceptable collateral damage even for the battle field of actual wars

blackninja said...

10:25 AM
on Aug 12, 2011

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More food for thought these numbers look kind of familiar: SIDS is responsible for roughly 50 deaths per 100,000 births in the US. SIDS most commonly occurs between the ages of 1 and 4 months SIDS becomes the leading cause of death in otherwise healthy babies after one month of age.

blackninja said...

01:03 PM
on Aug 12, 2011

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Solid point...... Frenchmommy.... No dispute from me

opr said...

05:19 PM
on Aug 12, 2011

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Although immediate death from vaccination may be relatively rare, vaccine injury is much, much more common than the public has been led to believe. For ample documentation of that fact, one may conduct the search referenced above.

opr said...

10:04 PM
on Aug 12, 2011

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...another excerpt from some of what you will find in the above referenced search: Since neuro-specialist and brain surgeon Dr Russell Blaylock's presentation has apparently been censored, I'll share from memory a salient point or two from his extremely credible and vaccine-industry-devastating presentation. 1. As is typical with all other contagious diseases in the history of the world, the population developed natural immunity which had nothing-what-so-ever to do with the vaccine. In countries where no polio vaccine was given, the mortality and morbidity rates declined at the same rate or better than in those countries where the vaccination was given. Several other sources document this, besides Dr Blaylock. Go to page 7 of the thread, Vaccine Infowar In Cardston County: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9764&start=180 2. The polio epidemic was greatly accentuated by the DPT vaccine. Dr Blaylock, in his presentation revealed that he had discovered from his research of the data -- that the vast majority of those in the United States, who suffered death or permanent paralysis from contracting the polio virus, had been vaccinated with the DPT shot prior -- which impaired their immune systems and rendered them unable to adequately defend themselves against the polio virus, which for most healthy, non-immuno-compromised people is typically a very mild disease with no residual effects. This is one of the Vaccine Industry's dirty little secrets they want very much to be kept hidden. They count on people continuing to believe the myth -- that vaccinations saved them from the terrible monster, polio -- when in reality vaccinations had actually worsened the polio epidemic, which through the natural course of history died out despite the vaccines, not because of them...just as it did in countries where no polio vaccinations had been given. Of course Big Pharma and their powerful propaganda machine stepped in and claimed that they had saved us. Nothing could be further from the truth. It was actually God's marvelous creation, our bodies -- and the ingenius, incredible immune systems that God placed in our bodies -- that saved us...not Big Pharma's vaccines...and that principle is even further strengthened by diligently living the Spirit of all the verses contained in section 89. Although the several online versions of that presentation by Russell Blaylock, M.D. appear to no longer be available, if one has an interest, I found one place that might still have some in dvd version for about $20.00, here: http://www.radioliberty.com/vvabd.html Having seen the presentation a couple of times in the past year or so, I highly recommend it for viewing if you can possibly get your hands on it. I have no fear what-so-ever for the coming plagues that shall surely come and for which man's puny arm, including Big Pharma and their vaccines shall not stop. The great promise of the Word of Wisdom and the protective power of the Priesthood are more than good enough for me. That is where I place my trust. If others feel the need to give themselves and family members over to Big Pharma's dangerous and evil, aborted-fetal-cell (many of them) containing witch's brew, vaccines -- that is their prerogative. Unsurprisingly, thus far, that approach has been a great health blessing to our family. None of our 5 kids have allergies or the many typical health problems that so many of their vaccinated cousins do...and believe me, there is a plague of allergies and other auto-immune disorders and neurological disorders out there, due to vaccinations...due to parents and grandparents giving into the fear and buying the myth that Big Pharma, your government, the World Health Organization, the United Nations, the eugenicist elite, the modern-day-secret-combination and their mouth-piece, the main-stream media wants you to. It should be obvious that each of those I just named, very, very much want you to vaccinate. I advocate doing just the opposite. Vaccinations are a fraud and they certainly are very, very dangerous. Sadly, I know so very, very many that have been vaccine-damaged -- permanently.

blackninja said...

12:02 AM
on Aug 13, 2011

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Wow..... Opr that is great insight into our current delima was face as parents there are so many voices and I stand by you also putting my trust in the All Mighty with a testimony that as we Liston to the still small voice we will never be afraid or intimidated by propogada or lies. Fear and faith cannot exist in the same space therefor faith drives out all fear Many of the H1N1 vacination tactics were 100% fear based and the vaccine did far more damage world wide than it did good. I also have 5 children and we have enjoyed allergy free asthma free and for the most part incredible health with no assistance from antibiotics or vaccines I was able to find a natural cure for my over 30y struggle with asthma after many many years of praying and begging the Lord to help me be healed of this plague I am now 3 years cured and am completely allergy free as well... Praise be the the All Mighty and his son I am saddened by the general lack of faith in the promises we have been given in section 89 May God continue to bless you and your family the Lord givith and the Lord takeith away blessed be the name of the Lord!

blackninja said...

12:19 AM
on Aug 13, 2011

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As a refrence point to the above statement my parents were the 1st generation in their blood line to put modern medicine and Drs on a huge pedistal... I hade every conceivable vaccine given to me and by the age of 7 developed severe Asthma and allergies.. I took antibiotics right away as a suposable cure for any minor ailment even for flu symptoms which antibiotics can have no effect on only any secondary infections generated by flus..... I mention this as a sucess story that once I realized that by age 11 or so my asthma medications had more than tripled in dosage frequency and ammount and I was becoming more and more dependent on them not being cured by by them I reversed course and took control of my own health..... I was listening to my inner voice which told my to do everything opposite of what my asthma Dr was advising me to do I started running eating as best as I knew how and reducing dosages to almost nothing it still took me over 20 more years and the invention of the Internet to find a permanent cure but had I never let my immune system become so damaged who knows I may never have developed my breathing problems Now as father and trying to Liston as close as possible to what my inner voice tells me to do so my children can live as disease free as possible

opr said...

09:16 AM
on Aug 13, 2011

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Sorry to hear about what you've been through, blackninja. I am happy that you were able get over that. Autoimmune disorders can be exceedingly difficult to reverse. Perhaps you had some divine intervention, along with your efforts. It is well that you found superior solutions to the cortizone/steroidal medications typically given to asthmatics, because chronic, long-term use can have absolutely devastating consequences to the adrenal system, with cascading adverse consequences. Allergies and asthma are virtually non-existent in non vaccinated populations. If you appreciated the excerpt you just read, I think you will appreciate the discussions referenced above, at this link: http://www.ldsliberty.org/author/dconrad000/ -- specifically the interview on vaccinations and eugenics dated 9-6-09, and the follow-up interview with Stanley Monteith, M.D. that occurred as a result. The first is a youtube video and the link will take you straight to it. The second is an archived audio file, which may take a few minutes to load if you are using Internet Explorer. If you use Firefox, it will begin playing immediately and complete downloading while playing.

blackninja said...

10:24 PM
on Aug 13, 2011

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Ok thanks my friend I did take an enormous amount of corticoid steroids and other fast action inhalers Ect about 9 different inhailers and pills until I realized they were making me weaker and not ever going to be curative At age 7 you don't question your parents or the Dr but by age 11 to 12 I was aware of the fraud and took action I'm sure my adrenal glands were and possibly stil are quite hammered I know for a fact if you dident work up to the dose levels I was on the average person would have been instantly killed by the stuff I was taking.... I'm also sure God has guided me and blessed me for living section 89 and im glad to here a like minded person speak out boldly, unapolojeticly and intelligently most people I talk to wouldn't know there adrenal gland from there hypothalamus... Keep fighting the good fight by brother!

valley28 said...

01:48 PM
on Aug 14, 2011

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I cannot believe that this missionary was forced to get vaccines to go to upstate New York!!! Why would the church give him an ultimatum to get vaccinated or he could not serve a mission? I had no idea that the church would do such a thing, being as they have done the research into this. I have been making comments on the Doctor's article, and just noticed this one. I am horrified the church would take a stance on this. Is this really true?

valley28 said...

01:53 PM
on Aug 14, 2011

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I meant the church has not done the research into this. What about putting no unclean things into the body? This put me into shock, but slowly the FDA is admitting vaccines are causing cancer and other diseases, which many of us and also many doctors and scientist have exposed for years. Investigating Viruses in Cells Used to Make Vaccines; and Evaluating the Potential Threat Posed by Transmission of Viruses to Humans http://www.fda.gov/biologicsbloodvaccines/scienceresearch/biologicsresearchareas/ucm127327.htm CDC Admits cell substrates, and emerging infectious diseases Pass from Animals to Humans http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/eid/vol7no3_supp/krause.htm CDC Listing of Vaccine Ingredients http://www.cdc.gov/vaccine​s/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/​ appendices/B/excipient-tab​le-2.pdf Flu Vaccines and the Risk of Cancer http://www.i-sis.org.uk/fl​uVaccinesCancerRisks.php ... Institute for Vaccine Safety - Package Inserts http://hopkinsvaccine.org/​package_inserts.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wi​ki/List_of_vaccine_ingredi​ents This link actually states monkey kidney tissue, mouse brain tissue and human diploid tissue (aborted fetus) among many neurotoxins that destroy the brain. Please, for the sake of the children, please do a lot of research into the information I am posting, because too many children are dying from these vaccinations and getting cancer from these vaccines and other autoimmune diseases. We all now have cancer cells and other diseases lurking in body. What about the Word of Wisdom, to NOT put unclean poisonous toxins in our body? CLICK THIS LINK TO WATCH...Gary Null Speaking Out at the NYS Assembly Hearing | 10-13-2009 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3XlJB7J5-o (Part One) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch5OuzB9L48&feature=related (Part Two) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAgWO2yq1k8&feature=related (Part Three) http://www.informedchoice.info/cocktail.html http://www.rense.com/general59/vvac.htm http://www.mercola.com/article/vaccines/ingredients.htm Vaccine Ingredients Heavy metals like mercury and aluminum Pus form sores of diseased animals Horse Serum Calf Serum Fecal Matter Macerated Cancer Cells Sweepings from diseased children Other Vaccine Ingredients: Formaldehyde (a carcinogen) - used in embalming fluids Phenol (also a carcinogen) - may cause paralysis, convulsions, coma, and necrosis and gangrene Lactalbumin hydrolysate - emulsifier Aluminum phosphate - aluminum salt which is corrosive to tissues Retro-virus (SV-40) - contaminant virus of some polio vaccines Antibiotics - (i.e., neomycin tm) for infection Chick Embryo - growth medium for virus Sodium Phosphate - a buffering salt Foreign animal tissues containing genetic material (DNA/RNA) - from growth medium MORE INFORMATION ON THE INGREDIENTS IN VACCINES - I work full-time and take care of my Father. I will find and send you more, if you would like me to. Please let me know. God Bless, Gail Fitches INFORMED CHOICE - Cocktail - http://www.informedchoice.info/cocktail.html Vaccine Ingredients and Side Effects http://www.knowvaccines.com/vaccineingredients.htm WAVE - Vaccine Ingredients http://www.novaccine.com/vaccine-ingredients/ Vaccine Ingredients http://www.vaccination.inoz.com/ingredie.html ThinkTwice Global Vaccine Institute: Avoid Vaccine Reactions http://www.thinktwice.com/ CDC Listing of Vaccine Ingredients http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/B/excipient-table-2.pdf Flu Vaccines and the Risk of Cancer http://www.i-sis.org.uk/fluVaccinesCancerRisks.php Institute for Vaccine Safety - Package Inserts http://hopkinsvaccine.org/package_inserts.htm Research - Is There a Toxin-Virus-Cancer Connection? | Vaccine Blogs http://vaccineblogs.com/research-is-there-a-toxin-virus-cancer-connection/ Vaccines and Production of Negative Genetic Changes in Humans http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/salud/esp_salud33y.htm Where you can download vaccine inserts: Institute for Vaccine Safety - Package Inserts http://hopkinsvaccine.org/package_inserts.htm

valley28 said...

01:57 PM
on Aug 14, 2011

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In many of the vaccine ingredients, it states there are formaldehyde, mercury, and aluminum compounds are in the vaccines. Also, phenol (carboilic acid), borax (ant killer) methanol, dye, acetone (solvent, polish remover), disinfectant, glycerine, antifreez, MSG, and many other poisons. Plus, also toxic when injected are animal organ tissue and blood from monkey, cow, chick, pig, sheep, dog, cat, etc. Have you heard of Feline Leukemia? There are also contaminated animal viruses called SV40, which causes cancer in humans. They also use aborted human foetus cells, large foreign proteins, mutated (more virulent) human viruses in high doses (Note: "Killed" viruses can reactivate after being jected), bacterial endotoxins, antibiotics, bacteria, genetically modified yeast, latex, and animal, bacterial, and viral DNA which when injected can be incorporated into the recipient's DNA. Injections bypass important defenses in the skin and mucous membranes. WHAT will be the effect if you vaccinate? To become immune requires a process that do not occur on demand and happen in the outer levels of defense, bypassed by injections, so “immunizations” don’t immunize. Rather when foreign substances are injected, particularly these ones, the immune system is derailed. As a result, only in the vaccinated, new more serious forms of the disease can occur, such as atypical measles, when the rash moves in the wrong direction, and pneumonia, encephalitis or meningitis can result (see medical dictionary). Vaccination often prevents immunity from developing, resulting in repeated illness. The presence of antibodies does not show immunity, only past exposure (e.g. HIV). Vaccines also increase susceptibility to unrelated, normally harmless viruses and bacteria (e.g. causing meningococcal, which is a possible side effect in the vaccine inserts if anyone would read them). In the article, we do not know the boy’s name, if he ever had any vaccinations or was on any medications that would had destroyed his immune system, etc. Other side effects from vaccinations that are listed in many of the vaccine inserts, i.e., allergies, manifesting as eczema, hay fever, but most notably asthma, encephalitis or meningitis, recurring colds, tonsillitis, ear, respiratory or other infections., bowel problems, celiac disease, autism, ADD, and other learning, speech, and behavioral problems, paralysis, epilepsy and other neurological problems, mental illness, autoimmune diseases such as lupus, diabetes, arthritis, and MS, organ damage or failure, blindness, deafness, and other disabilities, chronic fatigue syndrome, blood disorders, hormone imbalances, leukemia and other cancers (which usually show up years later, but some babies get cancer immediately), Cot death or SIDS, altered genes, infertility, weaknesses or defects in offspring and other signs of a disoriented or disabled immune system.

valley28 said...

02:01 PM
on Aug 14, 2011

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Medical Doctor Retracts H1N1 Vaccine Advice After Reading Insert! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r051fXtfng8 Dr. Roby Mitchell, M.D. (www.drfitt.com) issues a retraction to nurses he originally advised to get the H1N1 flu vaccination. After reading the insert of the vaccine, he retracted his advice. This video exposes what is actually IN the vaccine our government is so eager to inject into our population. For more information, please visit the following websites below: http://www.vactruth.org http://www.drtenpenny.com http://www.theflucase.com http://www.fluscam.com http://www.drcarley.com http://www.brainguardmd.com http://www.mercola.com http://www.naturalnews.com http://www.russellblaylockmd.com In response to some of the comments, I have supplied links over here since they won't post comments with links. Live H1N1 Virus in Nasal Spray Vaccination: http://public-healthcare-issues.suite101.com/article.cfm/live_h1n1_virus_in_n... Swine Flu Vaccine Makers Granted Legal Immunity: http://www.emaxhealth.com/1020/39/32326/swine-flu-vaccine-makers-granted-legal-immunity.html

blackninja said...

07:25 AM
on Aug 15, 2011

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I remember the news taking about the H1N1 makers were being granted immunity from any neg effects of the vaccine and of corse that always boosts my confidence as a consumer..... Total fear tactics were used to push this vaccine on the consumers and the side effects are leaving a far worse mark on the world than the original problem we faced with the virus

oneclimbs said...

09:33 AM
on Aug 15, 2011

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I think I got my last vaccine around 10 or 11. When the time came for boosters around 14 or so, I strongly resisted and was successful for some reason at not getting them. I can't say why I was so opposed to them, but I just didn't feel like I should get them. This wasn't a spiritual prompting or anything, I just didn't want to get them. I served a mission in Idaho in 1999. I read that they required vaccination and was again opposed to the idea. I did not get the vaccines and arrived at the MTC; nobody said anything to me about them, ever, and I have not received another vaccine since. It has only been in recent years that I have learned the dangers and risks associated with vaccines. Taking any medication is a risk and sometimes the benefits outweigh the risks, but since I have done well without them for years and know others who have, I have opted to not vaccinate my three kids. They are hardly ever sick, while their friends who get the vaccinations, flu shots, etc, are ALWAYS getting sick. These are just my observations and I'm going to trust what I see with my own eyes on this one.

opr said...

04:16 PM
on Aug 15, 2011

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You are to be commended for trusting your own feelings on that, oneclimbs. Everyone is born with the Light of Christ. The link between the use of aborted fetal tissue and vaccines, alone should be enough to prick one's conscience.

blackninja said...

09:21 PM
on Aug 16, 2011

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Great comment that is totally right.... Always trust your instincts

nate3693 said...

09:02 AM
on Aug 19, 2011

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This article is not an honest counter-argument. Our vaccine organization -- Thinktwice Global Vaccine Institute (www.thinktwice.com) -- has received several letters from Mormon missionaries who were required to receive vaccines to go overseas and do their work, but became so debilitated from the vaccines that they were never able to leave the USA to do their missionary work. Today, years later, some of them are still crippled with rare auto-immune diseases they contracted from the vaccines.

mofmars333 said...

12:02 PM
on Aug 19, 2011

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I missed this article. Sad one for the real side of the story. I agree. One could have been chosen that actually reflects the case against vaccines. People here who might still beLIEve in vaccines should read the comments where Dr. Boud wrote that deceptive article. He's a doctor & must know the truth>>>http://ldsliving.com/story/65437-vaccines-an-ounce-of-prevention........Truth buried the deception there & it's clear to see for anyone looking for the facts........Love...Grandma Marsha

mofmars333 said...

03:05 PM
on Aug 20, 2011

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Please see my last two comments I just made at the other page>>>http://ldsliving.com/story/65437-vaccines-an-ounce-of-prevention

doctorjtaylor said...

02:10 AM
on Aug 26, 2011

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Suffer the Children: Flaws, Foibles, Fallacies and the Grave Shortcomings of Pediatric Care: Peter Palmieri, MD,MBA, FAAP.....If the foundation of the institution is flawed, the rest of the building is flawed. Anyone who does not think that vaccines do not cause or contribute in any way to autism and many other chronic degenerative diseases, please go to www.homefirst.com and get in touch with Dr. Mayer Eisenstein. He has a population of 35,000 children that have come up through his clinic with zero autism and no vaccines....also virtually no asthma or any other of the now epidemic childhood diseases plaguing us today. 35000 children is a plenty big population to do a vaccinated vs unvaccinated comparison study, but the gov't will not touch this guy with a 1000 foot pole (wonder why?)......www.ageofautism.com

kentbower said...

08:21 AM
on Jul 29, 2012

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It's fascinating to me that one could be so closed-minded as to refute the masses of evidence showing the risks and dangers of vaccinations and yet expect others to accept, with open mind, the growing masses of evidence showing Joseph Smith could not have possibly written the Book of Mormon. People who have heard the myriads of evidences and yet explain them all away as Joseph Smith "getting lucky" or "having somehow obtained that knowledge" can statistically get away with such hypotheses for 2 or 3 or maybe even a dozen cases. But at some point, one reaches a breaking point and ventures into an area of such astronomical improbability as to, in effect, show much more faith in the mortal man, Joseph Smith than I or most LDS ever could. Such it is becoming with the evidences against vaccinations. Sooner or later, the truth will come to light despite forces fighting tooth and nail to prevent such, and those explaining it away as "scare tactics" will be exposed as to their ignorance. Joseph Smith translated the Book of Mormon, there is no other explanation. Today's vaccinations come with immense risks and dangers. The obviousness of both these facts can only be circumvented via blindness or ignorance. More importantly, however, for me, personally, is that the Spirit of God tells it to my heart in both cases and none can refute.

modernpioneermom said...

08:32 AM
on Oct 25, 2012

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We have a friend who has taught vaccine education for 12 years. Her nephew went to Guatemala on his mission & their family does not vaccinate. She was able to help him find a Homeopath who administered homeopathic vaccinations & it was APPROVED BY THE FIRST PRESIDENCY and was able to go on his mission! This is an option!!! You guys have got to remember that the First Presidency does not focus their time on the medical end of things. They're not professionals. And my guess is they haven't spent hours & hours like us moms who've done our research on vaccine dangers. Maybe it is right for some. Maybe some have prayed and feel like it is what they need to do. That is great. But the First Presidency has never come out and said all members ARE to get fully vaccinated. They have only recommended it. And if their knowledge is limited, then why would they do otherwise? They have medical professionals (who advocate vaccines and tell them what they think) that they rely on to get them information. This is where prayer and research on YOUR part come in. Our 4 children are mostly vaccinated. I regret it as we've had negative effects in our family, & we know 5 other families who were SEVERELY affected, including retardation, polio, MS, seizure, & quit talking. It's just sad. We will never vaccinate again.
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