Vaccines: An Ounce of Prevention

Looking forward to hearing the non-vaccination perspective as this article is full of the same old lies the allopathic medical community feeds all of it's doctors, governments and the media at large. If one really looked at the true facts, they'd find there are holes in the pro vaccination argument everywhere you look. I could write and entire series of books on this and there are many books out there that have tried to do this but this isn't the place for that. Furthermore, just because the church has required vaccinations, doesn't mean the doctrines are endorsing their usage. I think the church requires them to prevent political backlash, because doing otherwise would be political suicide and would make it difficult to send missionaries everywhere they need to. The church feels it's more important to continue teaching as many people as possible by being able to send missionaries everywhere, not because God said "yes you must use these man-made vaccines because I screwed up and couldn't save your from disease otherwise." I know many missionaries that have to come home sick shortly after beginning service. Vaccines didn't prevent their sickness and probably were the cause of it. I also want to ask Dr. Boud where he sees the Word of Wisdom fitting into his philosophy considering it's promises of the destroying angle passing over you by following it's principals? I know all of Dr. Boud's training is centered around only man's wisdom and expertise can save people from the frailties of being in this fallen world, but that only serves to profit the medical community's pockets. As a Latter Day Saint I have a hard time seeing how God could put us on this planet and not also provide us a way to fight the diseases and problems here with something available through all generations of time. I know form my own personal experience that following the word of wisdom like Daniel refraining from the king's portion saved my life when allopathic medicine only made me sicker.

I vaccinated my first two children. With my third child, I felt prompted to space out the vaccinations rather than have him receive 3 or 4 in one day. The nurse criticized me for this decision, but the doctor supported me. With my fourth child I felt no similar prompting, so he was vaccinated in the usual way. I still don't know why this was necessary, but I've noticed that my third child is my most sensitive child, physically and emotionally. Perhaps his little system needed a more gradual approach? I don't know. But I'm glad I listened to that prompting, and I'm grateful for the blessing of having vaccinations available.

Normally I would never comment, but have to on this one. Worrieddad said; 'Looking forward to hearing the non-vaccination perspective as this article is full of the same old lies the allopathic medical community feeds all of its doctors, governments and the media at large' Well, Worrieddad, this is the same thing those against the Church say when a positive article is written about the Church. The reverse is what we as members of the Church tend to say when negative comments about the Church are made? 'If you want to really know about the Church, go to www.lds.org and get it from the source, rather than listen to people that 'think' they know what it’s all about.' We can’t have it both ways. Another comment ‘Worried’ said stuck me interesting; 'I know many missionaries that have to come home sick shortly after beginning service. Vaccines didn't prevent their sickness and probably were the cause of it' Really, did you think that perhaps the vaccines PREVENTED those Missionaries you knew from oh, maybe DIEING, or suffering DISFIGUREMENT? Just as real a possibility as your thinking that the vaccine was the cause, and in a real sense looking at the figures more likely the truth. Should we also turn our back on all medial breakthroughs? Because as Worrieddad said, ‘God said "yes you must use these man-made vaccines because I screwed up and couldn't save your from disease otherwise." Do you feel the same way about heart bypasses, did God ‘screw up’ and gave someone a dodgy ticker, or would you recommend using the medial knowledge and discoveries and have a heart operation? While life on this earth means we will suffer and struggle, learn and grow. Perhaps Gods hand played a part in the medical breakthroughs that saves lives, try to count the number of people alive today because of the breakthroughs of vaccines. This is what God wanted to happen, knowledge people doing something to help their fellowman. Oh and I believe that you will find that vaccines are not ‘man-made’ simply discovered by man, the vaccines come from nature and while they may now in some cases be synthesised, nature is where it all comes from. One last thing Worrieddad said; 'As a Latter Day Saint I have a hard time seeing how God could put us on this planet and not also provide us a way to fight the diseases and problems here with something available through all generations of time' Open your eyes Brother, HE DID; All the Doctors who over a hundred years or so that discovered vaccines that would fight things like smallpox,(what a chance of your children getting that Worrieddad?) typhoid, polio to name only a few. Further, we should not require the Church to dictate doctrine to see the sense of vaccinations, we should look to what the brethren do, while looking at the Word of Wisdom. Which works perfectly with vaccinations even if your too blind to see it, WISDOM! being the key. While I believe that the Prophet receives blessings when the need arises, I doubt he leaves it to the blessing and Lord alone and would use his WISDOM and seek a MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL to 'DO ALL HE CAN' to get better. Wait, isn't that what the Lord expects of us in this life? While you have every right to live your life as you see fit, I don't believe that ANYONE has the right to increase the chance of my children or grandchildren ever being at risk to get smallpox, now eradicated because of VACCINATIONS, or for that matter any other disease that can be cured (or if infected, the effects lessened) by a simple vaccination. Yes a small group will have reactions to vaccinations, the medical community does not hide that fact, but the few in number that are affected (sometimes badly) can never compare to the hundreds of thousands that will be saved by being vaccinated! What does your WISDOM say if you decide to think about it like that?

Normally I would never comment, but have to on this one. Worrieddad said; 'Looking forward to hearing the non-vaccination perspective as this article is full of the same old lies the allopathic medical community feeds all of its doctors, governments and the media at large' Well, Worrieddad, this is the same thing those against the Church say when a positive article is written about the Church. The reverse is what we as members of the Church tend to say when negative comments about the Church are made? 'If you want to really know about the Church, go to www.lds.org and get it from the source, rather than listen to people that 'think' they know what it’s all about.' We can’t have it both ways. Another comment ‘Worried’ said stuck me interesting; 'I know many missionaries that have to come home sick shortly after beginning service. Vaccines didn't prevent their sickness and probably were the cause of it' Really, did you think that perhaps the vaccines PREVENTED those Missionaries you knew from oh, maybe DIEING, or suffering DISFIGUREMENT? Just as real a possibility as your thinking that the vaccine was the cause, and in a real sense looking at the figures more likely the truth. Should we also turn our back on all medial breakthroughs? Because as Worrieddad said, ‘God said "yes you must use these man-made vaccines because I screwed up and couldn't save your from disease otherwise." Do you feel the same way about heart bypasses, did God ‘screw up’ and gave someone a dodgy ticker, or would you recommend using the medial knowledge and discoveries and have a heart operation? While life on this earth means we will suffer and struggle, learn and grow. Perhaps Gods hand played a part in the medical breakthroughs that saves lives, try to count the number of people alive today because of the breakthroughs of vaccines. This is what God wanted to happen, knowledge people doing something to help their fellowman. Oh and I believe that you will find that vaccines are not ‘man-made’ simply discovered by man, the vaccines come from nature and while they may now in some cases be synthesised, nature is where it all comes from. One last thing Worrieddad said; 'As a Latter Day Saint I have a hard time seeing how God could put us on this planet and not also provide us a way to fight the diseases and problems here with something available through all generations of time' Open your eyes Brother, HE DID; All the Doctors who over a hundred years or so that discovered vaccines that would fight things like smallpox,(what a chance of your children getting that Worrieddad?) typhoid, polio to name only a few. Further, we should not require the Church to dictate doctrine to see the sense of vaccinations, we should look to what the brethren do, while looking at the Word of Wisdom. Which works perfectly with vaccinations even if your too blind to see it, WISDOM! being the key. While I believe that the Prophet receives blessings when the need arises, I doubt he leaves it to the blessing and Lord alone and would use his WISDOM and seek a MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL to 'DO ALL HE CAN' to get better. Wait, isn't that what the Lord expects of us in this life? While you have every right to live your life as you see fit, I don't believe that ANYONE has the right to increase the chance of my children or grandchildren ever being at risk to get smallpox, now eradicated because of VACCINATIONS, or for that matter any other disease that can be cured (or if infected, the effects lessened) by a simple vaccination. Yes a small group will have reactions to vaccinations, the medical community does not hide that fact, but the few in number that are affected (sometimes badly) can never compare to the hundreds of thousands that will be saved by being vaccinated! What does your WISDOM say if you decide to think about it like that?

Normally I would never comment, but have to on this one. Worrieddad said; 'Looking forward to hearing the non-vaccination perspective as this article is full of the same old lies the allopathic medical community feeds all of its doctors, governments and the media at large' Well, Worrieddad, this is the same thing those against the Church say when a positive article is written about the Church. The reverse is what we as members of the Church tend to say when negative comments about the Church are made? 'If you want to really know about the Church, go to www.lds.org and get it from the source, rather than listen to people that 'think' they know what it’s all about.' We can’t have it both ways. Another comment ‘Worried’ said stuck me interesting; 'I know many missionaries that have to come home sick shortly after beginning service. Vaccines didn't prevent their sickness and probably were the cause of it' Really, did you think that perhaps the vaccines PREVENTED those Missionaries you knew from oh, maybe DIEING, or suffering DISFIGUREMENT? Just as real a possibility as your thinking that the vaccine was the cause, and in a real sense looking at the figures more likely the truth. Should we also turn our back on all medial breakthroughs? Because as Worrieddad said, ‘God said "yes you must use these man-made vaccines because I screwed up and couldn't save your from disease otherwise." Do you feel the same way about heart bypasses, did God ‘screw up’ and gave someone a dodgy ticker, or would you recommend using the medial knowledge and discoveries and have a heart operation? While life on this earth means we will suffer and struggle, learn and grow. Perhaps Gods hand played a part in the medical breakthroughs that saves lives, try to count the number of people alive today because of the breakthroughs of vaccines. This is what God wanted to happen, knowledge people doing something to help their fellowman. Oh and I believe that you will find that vaccines are not ‘man-made’ simply discovered by man, the vaccines come from nature and while they may now in some cases be synthesised, nature is where it all comes from. One last thing Worrieddad said; 'As a Latter Day Saint I have a hard time seeing how God could put us on this planet and not also provide us a way to fight the diseases and problems here with something available through all generations of time' Open your eyes Brother, HE DID; All the Doctors who over a hundred years or so that discovered vaccines that would fight things like smallpox,(what a chance of your children getting that Worrieddad?) typhoid, polio to name only a few. Further, we should not require the Church to dictate doctrine to see the sense of vaccinations, we should look to what the brethren do, while looking at the Word of Wisdom. Which works perfectly with vaccinations even if your too blind to see it, WISDOM! being the key. While I believe that the Prophet receives blessings when the need arises, I doubt he leaves it to the blessing and Lord alone and would use his WISDOM and seek a MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL to 'DO ALL HE CAN' to get better. Wait, isn't that what the Lord expects of us in this life? While you have every right to live your life as you see fit, I don't believe that ANYONE has the right to increase the chance of my children or grandchildren ever being at risk to get smallpox, now eradicated because of VACCINATIONS, or for that matter any other disease that can be cured (or if infected, the effects lessened) by a simple vaccination. Yes a small group will have reactions to vaccinations, the medical community does not hide that fact, but the few in number that are affected (sometimes badly) can never compare to the hundreds of thousands that will be saved by being vaccinated! What does your WISDOM say if you decide to think about it like that?

I am afraid I agree with worriedad...I have spoken to health care professionals who will not vaccinate their own children after certain reactions happened in their patients. Yes, be educated before vaccination. Do not go to the vaccine maker to get educated. They will tell you their products are the best - just like anyone else who is out there to make a buck. Modern medicine has given us many miracles. Heavenly Father has given us many wonderful plants to help us get healthy. From a self reliance standpoint, if you could not get to a doctor to get a vaccine how could you fight a widespread disease? Educate yourself with Heavenly Father's medicine cabinet while educating yourself with pros and cons of vaccines.

sorry about the repeated comment, nothing appeared to happen after clicking submit, then it all happened at once. lesson learnt!

I agree with worried dad. DR. Boud is really not Dr. Boud, he changed his name says so at the end of the article. Wonder why? Most Vaccines are made in China. Look at all the products they have sent over here that have harmed or killed lots of people and animals. They are not are friends, they are communists and pretty much own our country as they have bought our debt. Also, he says that all the vaccines are safe because they are always tested for a long time, and continually tested after release...well this was not the case for the H1N1 at all!!!! Dr. Bouds article is flawed and wrong on a lot of levels...this propaganda he spews is taught to him thru the medical community and Big Pharma who only have profits in mind, patenting and making drugs for money. And if you know the bigger picture and the evil agenda of the New World Order, this vaccination program is what they have implemented for population control. LDS people wake up!!! AN LDS mom of 5- only first was vaccinated- and not whole series- I instinctively and was lead by the spirit- and felt uneasy about the shots and I am so glad I listened. My kids are healthy!

mamamarsha, you make one of my points when you say, 'Yes, be educated before vaccination. Do not go to the vaccine maker to get educated. They will tell you their products are the best - just like anyone else who is out there to make a buck.' Yet I bet you would tell your friends if they read 'anti-Mormon' books, websites etc. 'If you want to be educated about the Church you should go to the Church website or I can have the Missionaries teach you.' Yet here you say the opposite! I have nothing to do with the medical world or ‘vaccine maker’. And yes I believe you need to be educated, one of the problems in today’s world is so few have seen what these diseases can do to people that contract them, because the vaccines have cut them down to almost nil and in the case of smallpox eradicated it, so look what happens when you contract smallpox, polio, typhoid, etc. look into how vaccines have saved hundreds of thousands of lives, talk to those that have lived through and seen the effects of smallpox, polio etc., and then decide if you want a world were these diseases either come back or become very prevalent again. These days in most of the world vaccines are free to the people, if they are not in the USA, than you need to question your Government. As for Heavenly Fathers medicine cabinet, which has always been here, but did little good against smallpox until the vaccine was discovered by a professional like most breakthroughs. Or do you not believe that was a good use of what is here on earth in Heavenly Fathers medicine cabinet?

Mr Fooruku...a lot of people got polio from the shot itself!!! And read about the agenda of the New World Order people (especially LDS people where some, they blindly follow what people tell them instead of finding out for themselves)...google it (NWO) and read!!!!!!!!!!!!!

needtockthefacts, quick tell the Prophet as he must be hoodwinked by the 'evil agenda of the New World Order' and needs to see the 'bigger picture'. Because the Missionary program of the Church dictates that Missionaries get vaccinated. Perhaps he is part of the eval agenda, or perhaps you yourself have been hoodwinked into spending your hard earned $$ on stocking up against what is to come when the evil agenda becomes a reality. COME ON, it is interesting on how if one does not agree with a view the opposite view always 'spews propaganda' and if only they would open their eyes and hear the truth they would see they are wrong. And both sides of every view argument will say the same thing. its when these things are said that you know it is pointless to talk because no one that talks like that will listen to a view other than their own. Oh and needtockthefacts it does not say that the Doctor changed his name only that his 'name has been changed' in all likelihood LDS Living changed it. Maybe think and get the facts before stating something you can not be sure of.

I agree with most here who are very cautious or against many vaccines. My children received the basic vaccinations over time, sometimes much later then the prescribed schedule. My children all naturally went through chicken pox in their Elementary years. Just recently I took my HS aged child in for her athletic physical and our PC recommended she be vaccinated for meningitis. I declined. I will agree to it before she goes to college. (In our state it's law.) I agree there's an evil agenda out there and I prefer to "choose" our poison wisely. I'm so thankful my children have been healthy, though I've seen too many changes in children who were not "Ok" after their vaccinations.

This is a tough issue. There are many opinions on either side. It is an issue that I have no problem with because I am immunized primarily because a prophet of the Lord said I should be in order to serve the Lord in West Germany 30 years ago. That was and is good enough for me. I trust in the Lord's Servant and I try to do what he says.

Smallpox was eradicated not from vaccinations; but from clean water. The disease was already disappearing because of communities that were legislating clean water laws. The smallpox vaccination started after the disease had already subsided. I was able to find this out through study about 35 years ago.

needtockthefacts... I have read about the NWO and while I see the slim possibilities what I have also seen is people much like yourself that say things like you have,'people (especially LDS people where some, they blindly follow what people tell them instead of finding out for themselves)...google it (NWO) and read'... Ok, so you want me to not blindly follow (which is obviously what I must be doing now, as I think something different than yourself) and if i read what YOU want me to, my eyes will be opened, and I will be free and able to believe what I read and am told by those that believe there is a NWO. Tell me how is that any different than now, other than I would now be thinking and agreeing with you and those that tell me about the evil agenda of the NWO? I choose to think for myself and use my GOD given ability to see what is right, and from what I have seen of those much like yourself that firmly believe in the NWO is that few if any 'think for themselves' and they believe every word written about the NWO, and 'follow blindly' those that write about and sell books, tapes and DVDs to help you all see what the NWO is doing and how to protect yourself from them. Unless you can look at ALL things with an open mind and have the ability to reject and accept certain parts you are following as blindly as those you accuse. There is only one thing you can believe in fully and even then you are told to pray and study it out, and that is the Gospel.

@needtockthefacts, the doctor's name wasn't changed, the patient's name was changed. Please pay closer attention to the facts of the issue. Dr. Boud practices at Intermountain Health Care 2655 West 9000 South West Jordan, UT 84088 Phone:(801) 256-6343

dfb.. really? So the 50 million cases a year world wide in the early 1950's was smallpox starting to subside? I don't know, I mean the world population in 1953 was about 2.5 billion, so 50 million while I guess low does not seem an insignificant number. Clean water, air, food etc will always help with good health, but clean water alone didn't eradicate smallpox.

There is very significant debate and disagreement on this topic. It's hard to understand why this propaganda piece should be posted on LDS Living ... doesn't it more rightly belong in the pages of the Tribune or the News? If you follow the full vaccination routine for your baby/child, and they suffer some kind of neurological or cerebral deficit, then you have no one to blame but yourself.

We cannot trust vaccine manufacturers, time and time again they are not truthful about their products...vaccines or otherwise. In the last year vaccine quality has been in the national news for containing major contaminamts such as cancer cells and also growing their viruses in aborted human fetuses. I chose not to trust big parma's corrupt practices. Vaccines were created for children with perfect immune systems...which is not the case for many children now....for an insightful read on vaccines from a neurologist... http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/07/31/dr-natasha-campbell-mcbride-on-gaps-nutritional-program.aspx?e_cid=20110731_SNL_Art_1

Good pick-up zzap62. Love your work, are you sure your not part of the evil agenda of the NWO? HAHAHAHA.

@fooruku: I can't tell you, because then I would have to kill you. ;)

I was vaccinated as a child and had no problem. We have five children, who have been vaccinated as they grew up. Our first two children seem to have developed fine. Our third, a son, has some sensory issues that a lot of children with autism have. Our youngest is a son with AUTISM. My pregnancy and delivery went fine. His apgar reading was fine. I started his vaccinations according to schedule, he was lost language shortly after his 2nd MMR. It just disappeared!! And he withdrew into his own little world - no matter how much we played with him, worked with him, talked to him. We have videos of him before the vaccines and after.....what a difference!! There are hundreds of doctors and nurses and medical professionals with children with Autism now, who are researching and discovering what these vaccines do to our children. Yes, some children do not seem affected by the vaccines, but others are devastated by them! I've personally met Dr. Andy Wakefield and seen the results of his research. I salute his integrity for not "keeping quiet" about what he discovered when the officials in the UK asked him to stop. We need to make sure that EACH CHILD is healthy and ready to be vaccinated, before we vaccinate them. And we need to wait until they are older to begin the vaccinations, spread out the vaccination schedule, ask for Thimerisol-FREE vaccinations, and separate the MMR with three separate vaccinations! We are "saving" our children from diseases and damaging their brains!

We are a military family who chooses to vaccinate all 8 of our children, in case we are stationed over seas (required). Our experience with vaccines have not all been pleasant, including a trip to the emergency room for a severe reaction to the chicken pox vaccine. I can understand both sides of this debate, but I do know for a fact that vaccines are not all entirely safe. Before my husband was to be deployed to Iraq, he had to receive several vaccines, one of which was to be small pox. He did not receive the

ldsfireguy.. yes I will be in part to blame if a child of mine suffers from having the full 'vaccination routine', I accept that. Can we hold you and those like you to blame if the diseases that such 'vaccination routines' help hold at bay return and become more widespread because more and more people are falling into the secure sleep that vaccination is not needed, or more dangerous than the disease itself? @momofslx, I read that article, while interesting I didn't get that the doctor who wrote it was totally against vaccination only that children should be screened prior to getting them. As a parent I would assume you should be aware of any health issues as I hope your child's doctor would be as you discuss any concerns with them.

Small pox vaccine because I was pregnant at the time. He would not have been able to be around me for 3 weeks because it can cause birth defects, and HE was the one getting the vaccine, not me.

Hi, I'm a health researcher; I came to that career "late" because of published misinformation about my own youngest son's (special needs) health condition. I succeeded in accomplishing some change in that area; but am horrified now to see this article. No, Dr. Boud didn't change his name - it was the patient's name changed, if I'm correct. I didn't vaccinate my two youngest b/c their older siblings had severe adverse reactions. General health certainly plays a role; and like another mom who commented above, I felt prompted NOT to vaccinate these youngest two. Anytime I felt guilt about it, and changed my mind (after all, my Dad was in Rotary and constantly working against polio! and my uncle had polio as a child), I would make the vaccination app't, and my children would fall ill. So it never happened. Now those youngest two are 20 and 17; they can decide for themselves. (And they also are in terrific health. And so am I, despite -or because of?- bowing out of the traditional western system myself for almost 30 years). We treat flu with herbs, etc before it gets too bad; I have seen horrible adverse reactions to flu shots, and feel it's a twisted use of this site to have a survey about flu shots. Who is Dr. Boud, and who does he work for? Important questions to ask.

I have to mostly agree with 'worrieddad' When I had my first child I was approached with the possibility that vaccines could be harmful. So, I made the decision to take the first 6 months of her life researching, praying and fasting to find out for myself. I will NEVER forget the moment I got the answer to my prayers and it was LOUD and CLEAR. She was not to be vaccinated. The reason these types of articles up set me is not because people take the risk of vaccination or not. Vaccination/nonvaccination it's a risk either way. These types of people are taught to blame unvaccinated for anything bad that happens. In turn they are seeking blame and ignoring the experiences of people on the other side of this debate which are possibly more common and can be more devastating than a rare disease. With this, come those who want to take the freedom of choice away from everyone because of their personal fears. I have found over the years, EVERYTIME I run into controversy over this issue, it is just a matter of hours and the decision I made for my family is confirmed through the Spirit to be right for MY family. Not one piece of information I read made my decision. My decision was made 100% through prayer and personal revelation. Therefore, NOBODY has the right to tell me I made a wrong decision. As members of the LDS faith, we do believe in personal revelation and should not pass judgement on the personal revelation others recieve. The points of my thoughts are: every child is different. Every child will react different. Every parent has a personal, usually passionate reason for making the decision on this issue wether for or against vaccines. There is a Ton of misinformation and Theories out there that people except as Fact on both sides. Interpretation of the same article could be very different, for example, I took and thoroughly read all the paperwork FOR vaccines that the overly passionate doctor handed to me trying to convince me to vaccinate. Everything that stood out to me on those papers was the warnings and possible side effects. Your sources of information, family health, religious beliefs, fears, experiences, etc… are different than mine, therefore this debate should be dead and people should be able to manage their own lives and families. Parents should have to freedom to make healthcare choices for their own families. Sometimes people need to simply make a choice either way just so the FEAR of the unknown does not consume them. It is sad to me that people are not given both sides of the debate in a doctors office and bullied through education opportunities to vaccinate. I just want to be free to exercise the personal revelation that I have received through my Heavenly Father.

Sorry, he was told by the doctor that the small pox vaccine has a high risk for birth defects and miscarriages. Sorry about it breaking up my comment. Pushed wrong button.

I forgot to say, we've sent out 3 missionaries, who all got their vaccinations as specified, with no problems (the problems occurred when they were younger).When my husband and I go on a senior mission, we will get vaccinated if required.(And yes, my husband is in a church leadership position). He would never advise someone on health problems other than exactly what the Handbook says. (At one time, we had a bishop "yell" at us and threaten our church membership; and he didn't even know what the Handbook said!)

Handbook 2, LDS.org, 21.1.35 Research Studies in the Church The only authorized research agency of the Church is the Research Information Division of the Correlation Department. Representatives of this department use questionnaires and interviews to obtain information on issues of concern to General Authorities. When Church-authorized researchers contact members, they provide the Church’s toll-free number and a contact name at headquarters. In addition, they always allow the respondent the option of not answering any or all of the questions on a survey. Church meetings may not be used for collecting information by unauthorized persons or agencies. Nor should the names of Church members be made available to such persons or agencies. If local leaders want to verify the authorization of questionnaires or interviews, they should contact the Research Information Division (1-801-240-2727 or 1-800-453-3860, extension 2-2727).

I can't find the section on health advice in the new handbook; does someone else know where it is? I'm busy today w/ my application for further grad studies ;-) Formerly, it suggested bishops RECOMMEND that members seek help from credentialed medical personnel in their area. As our Area Authority explained it to us (word by word - he's a lawyer), in China that could be acupuncture, for instance. And the word RECOMMEND speaks for itself. No church discipline needed if the member doesn't take that recommendation. (Altho' one of our children, sadly, did buy into this bishop's unrighteous coercion; with very bad results).

I don't have a solid position on this issue. I am still studying up and learning for myself. But two things bother me about this article. 1 - the title is misleading. The article does not represent "the debate" it says in essence "if you disagree with me, you are wrong. 2 - Don't try to use the Prophet to give your case credibility. It's childish. He has never made a statement in conference about this that I am aware of.

For those of you ready to look at this issue rationally and logically rather than hysterically please note: 1. In 1953 Tavia Gordon (a statistician from the Office of Vital Statistics) wrote a report about the decline of infectious diseases in America. The charts in this report showed that death rates from diphtheria, pertussis, and measles all declined to less than 1 per 100,000 BEFORE the introduction of MMR and DTP vaccines. (Although report illogically credits vaccines with for the reduction in death rates.) In 1955 before MMR was invented, there were only 50 measles deaths in the US. The 450 figure that the CDC has given out reflects death rates from the early 1900's. 2. Vaccines contain a number of toxic ingredients like the known carcinogen benzethonium chloride, potassium chloride (used in lethal injections), and formaldehyde. They also contain animal byproducts which often include animal viruses. One example is Simian Virus 40 which contaminated early polio vaccines. Researcher Michel Carbone tested a batch of 1955 polio vaccine and proved that the strain found in the vaccine is the same that has been found in brain and bone tumors in humans. Many vaccines also were cultured in the cells taken from two aborted human fetuses. These cultures are called WI-38 and MRC-5. The fetuses were aborted in the third month so their genitals had already formed. The data on their sexes was recorded by scientists: WI-38 came from the lung cells of a baby girl and MRC-5 came from the lung cells of a baby boy. 3. Adverse reactions to vaccines are not rare. In fact, the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS) has received over 200,000 reports since 1990, and about 30,000 reports annually, with 13% being associated with hospitalization, serious injury, disability or death. 4. Exposing individuals to a number of intramuscular injections also carries with it increased risk of contracting poliomyelitis. This fact has been known for years and is corroborated by the findings in several studies such as HV Wyatt’s 2003 study, a 1995 study by Strebel et. al., and the 1949 JK Martin study. It should be noted that the rise of polio in the 1950's coincided with the introduction of the DTP vaccine which was licensed in 1949. 5. We do not vaccinate for cholera, typhoid fever, or scarlet fever and yet these diseases are rare to non-existent in the US. 6.Even someone vaccinated for polio can still suffer from the same effects of polio if he or she contracts a non-polio enterovirus. The CDC says that these type of viruses are very common, second only to cold viruses as the most common infectious agents in humans, causing “summer colds” and aseptic meningitis. The symptoms of non-polio enteroviruses are identical to the ones caused by the poliovirus: flu-like illness with fever, muscle aches, and rash, some can even cause paralysis. There is no vaccine for these viruses and the CDC’s strongest recommendation for stopping the spread of non-polio enteroviruses is handwashing. 7. Those receiving the meningococcal disease vaccine should be aware that it will not protect them against the most prevalent strain of meningococcus. There are 13 strains of meningococcus, but the B strain most commonly causes meningococcal disease in developed countries. The vaccine however, only protects against the A, C, Y, and W-135 strains. 8. Developed countries like the UK and Switzerland where measles are endemic have higher health rankings than the US, according to the CIA's World Factbook. 9. D and C 42:43 and Alma 46:40 advocate the use of herbs in healing the sick. 10. The vaccine industry has a unique product; a product which every one of the world’s six billion people are said to need multiple times over. In fact, research predicts that by 2016, the vaccine market will be worth $52 billion. (For comparison, consider that Apple Computers posted a revenue of $65.2 billion in 2010.) 11. The ONLY vaccine legally for foreign travel is yellow fever for certain subtropical countries. All others are RECOMMENDED. As for missionaries, a friend of mine wrote a very detailed letter to the missionary medical committee and got a response back saying that vaccines were NOT required for serving a mission but refusing vaccines could limit the countries a prospective missionary could be called to. Honestly, why were they requiring all prospective missionaries (even those going state side) to get a Hep B shot? Hepatitis B is mostly spread by drug use and promiscuous sex.

I welcome the opportunity to speak up against vaccinations. There are other options available either with wholistic or homeopathic applications. Sure this Dr. regrets not having been able to prevent this horrible disease for this child. Very sad indeed. But.... The majority of these vaccines are produced in China, and we all know how they love us! These plants are inspected every 12 or 13 years. The vaccines will immunize you against the disease for up to 2 years. So that hep vaccine you give your newborn for a sexually transmitted disease lasts for 2 years. Oh, oh... As well as the vaccine for the measles. Vaccination is NOT a lifetime immunity. But having the disease will give you lifetime immunity. And the thimerosal that was removed from the vaccines was never removed from the flu shots. Never mind some of it is not a safe limit for an adult, think about a small child. Then the flu vaccines that are given the pregnant women and the rest, are loaded with excitotoxins, think about that affect on a developing brain. Another problem is the proteins used to develop these vaccines. Have you seen the picture of the newborn who was born healthy and then given the Hep vaccine. Hard to tell an allergy of a child less than 2 days old. He passed after a severe reaction to this shot. He had an allergy to yeast, one of the mediums used to grow this stuff. The protein in these shots goes into the blood stream, it is a foreign protein to the body, you may expect problems. Then we get to the Autism thing. I cannot stand the commercials any longer! "Please, learn the signs of autism." WHAT?? WHERE ARE STUDIES AS TO THE CAUSE??? I can guarantee that if 1 out 70 males (current rate of autism for males. Thinner blood brain barrier, etc.) had their penis fall off, there would be much more than a "Watch for the signs" commercial running! The Dr. and I agree about educating yourself about vaccines. I challenge this Dr. to educate himself beyond the literature the drug rep drops off. Why is it that the Amish have so little of the autism? Perhaps he could review some of Dr. Russel Blaylock's, (Dr. Blaylock is a neurosurgeon) research about brain activity before and after vaccinations. Dr. Blaylock hasn't yet been drummed out of the profession as others who ask questions. He might question why Japan has one of the lowest immunization rates in the world and also one of the the lowest infant mortality rates. Oh, yes, the US has one of the highest infant mortality rates of the world, The information is out there, it just doesn't always come from a 'for- profit' pharmasuetical company. I always feel vindicated when the money trail validates my evaluations. My question: Is it true Dr.s get a kick back when they have 75% of their patients vaccinated? And a bigger kickback when 95% are vaccinated? So many questions, so little space. hmm....

My first two children were immunized until my 2nd child had a severe reaction. Then I started studying the risks. After much prayer and reading, we have not immunized any of our other children. We have acquired exemptions from our state department of health that have followed our children through college and I would never immunize again. We believe in keeping our bodies clean and pure, yet we put deadly chemicals into our infants bodies. Doesn't even make common sense. Our bodies are supposed to be temples and not to be defiled.

You start with a story meant to scare us into submission. Sorry, but I have a thousand stories where the healthy babies eyes rolled back into their sockets and became either comatose, autistic or dead right after being vaccinated. Claiming that vaccines were responsible for eradicating any diseases is fiercely contested by some pretty smart doctors. The Church follows standard orthodox medical procedures and practices which is understandable and to be expected. I don’t believe that means we follow blindly what drug and pharmaceutical companies say and do. The danger in orthodoxy is arrogance and power; the orthodox brush aside competing views without consideration. Big pharma and big food use the FDA to crush the opposition while they themselves appear well intentioned and sanctimonious. I don’t vaccinate for the same reason I joined myself with the LDS Church. I try and think independently and form my own conclusions. Nice try Doc but I don’t buy yours.

I don't even know where to being with this. The ignorance is out of this world. First of all, vaccines are not tested long term (typically no more than 30 days), and NO testing has EVER been done on vaccine combinations (the vaccine cocktails they give to kids). No vaccine has ever been proven effective or safe. 80% of whooping cough cases are in vaccinated children. Vaccines deteriorate the natural immune system, they DO NOT create immunity. Injecting a synthetic virus directly in to the blood stream in no way creates a natural immune response! It’s true, there will always be some cases of death from disease, but the number of children harmed (and dying) from the effects of vaccines is staggering... we just don't hear about them often, and there is a reason for that. Check out www.thedoctorwithin.com and read Tim O'Shea's book Vaccination is Not Immunization. His research is thorough, meticulously referenced, and comes from the CDCs own documents. Childhood diseases like polio and small pox were already almost completely obliterated before the vaccines were ever mandated. The government had just realized a fantastic way to make billions of dollars. Ever wonder where vaccines come from? Read about Edward Jenner... he wasn't even a doctor. He just decided to start injecting pus from cows into people, and his own son died from it! We can do better for ourselves by eating a natural diet, exercising, getting regular chiropractic adjustments, and keeping sanitary living environments (but not overly so).

Shorter lifespans and wide-spread communicable disease that sometimes killed whole families was common prior to vaccines. I personally don't know a single instance, nor have ever heard a local account of an infant dying or becoming paralyzed from a vaccine. I believe one reason we don't have those wide-spread epidemics is because of vaccines. And people are able to choose NOT to vaccinate their children only because most people DO.

Some of us have bodies that don't metabolize harmful substances as efficiently as others. (the canary in the mine) Vaccines have substances in them that cause damage, more to some than others. My family used to vaccinate, now we don't. We learned the hard way. I have a friend whose daughter went into accute liver failure shortly after a vaccine. The doctors won't directly say that's what happened, they're too politically correct. But they did say that she shouldn't get any more vaccines...enough said. I don't tolerate many man-made chemicals/petroleum by products, not just vaccines. Knowing this, I avoid vaccines,foodadditives,makeup,scents,lotions,processed foods, restaurants (most don't know what is truely in their food, they just serve it) I'm grateful that we currently still have that choice. Research that is bought and paid for by those in a position to profit from the outcome is not good science. Clean water became available about the same time that vaccines did. Many people believe that clean water alone can do wonders for the public health, without vaccines.

I for one am against the shots. I remember back in the 60's my grandmother got one of the first flu shots, and we thought she was going to die. I have never seen anyone sicker than she was. One of my grandchildren was damaged by getting his vaccines too early and has a learning disibality because of it. I know that is what did it to him as he was fine the day before he got it. My daughter is just sick because of it. He was born early, but the Dr. insisted he get the shots. I stopped getting the flu shots as did my mother as we both got sick from them for a week after. My husband who has diabetics never has gotten one and is doing great. Wish I had listened to him and stopped getting them before I did. No more shots for us!

Your title is "The Vacination Debate" But the article only presents one view and the other view is a tiny pale blue link at the very end. That is akin to false advertising, and highly biased. Shame on you.

This article is so illinformed its hard to know where to begin. Firstly vaccines are NOT safe. Look up CDC's side effects if in doubt. The idea that one size fits all is beyond absurd. Secondly vaccines do NOT save lives if in doubt read the following. http://douglassreport.com/2011/01/12/no-flu-shots/ Thirdly vaccines are NOT required for school, college or otherwise there are exemptions, and frankly objecting to aborted fetal tissues in vaccines should be enough for a religous exemption for most. This article is sadly very obviously written by a Doctor who has only been 'educated' by the pharmaceutical companies whose products he makes his money from. There are Doctors out there who do more and this is just plain lazy. This Doctor appears to have little knowledge of the immune system OR read the vaccine inserts. Researching BOTH sides of the argument from REPUTABLE sources then praying about it is what I would expect from LDS members. We are encouraged to think for ourselves and question then pray about it for personal revelation. Vaccinations are no different. This article is NOT a reputable source.

We decided to delay vaccinations for our little girl. Still, after her first vaccination set, she went in to serious seizures and the EMT had to be called. This occurred within 2 hrs, and she has never had issues before or since. This doctor is a blind "yes man" to government recommendations and is the reason we don't have choices such as SEPARATED vaccines. They bundle them together to save money and the doctors go along with it. Parents need choices, doctors need to be on our side.

I can appreciate that certain cases will dictate a deviance from the normal routine; to this end I would include differences in health, age, and individual personal revelation or prompting. However, I still believe that vaccinations and other medical advances by-in-large have provided a wonderful health benefit to all of our Heavenly Father's children. I feel somewhat hurt by the expressions of distrust and resentment toward physicians and the medical community as careless, irresponsible, and selfish, greedy indivuduals. Perhaps you have had a poor experience with a particular physician or group and that is unfortunate, but I believe the majority of physicians and medical field individuals are very focused on the indivual and providing quality, informed, and educated care which will allow for the best quality of life possible. My own father is a physician and I have observed him as a father and physician, as I also worked in his office for 7 years. He became a physician because he watched his sister pass away from hogkins (sp?) disease. A few years later, his brother had hogkins disease, but medicine had advanced far enough in those few years that he was able to survive-- he is also a physician today. My father works tirelessly for his patients, and when he meets a case which is particularly serious it affects him deeply. He prays for his patients often at home, around the dinner table, and elsewhere. I have heard him call the temple and put their names on the prayer rolls of the temple. He prays for guidence in his work to provide the help and healing the Lord would have him provide. He sincerely loves each one of them and puts his time in for them. He is an avid reader and pours over articles and studies, he attends medical conferences and workshops, he reads the fine print and takes note of side effects and drug interactions with other drugs. He has served on national boards of medicine and been to Washington D.C. speaking with the leaders of the nation regarding different medical concerns and legislation issues. He has seen many patients in his practice who have needed care, but have had no means for payment. He is an independent physician without company backing, but he has often cared for these patients at minimal or no cost, depending on their need. One patient paid by means of bartering for services he needed on a computer, another with gardening services. I remember many Christmases when I know my father had been up late helping to trim the stockings as "Santa," but he wasn't there on Christmas because he was caring for his patients. He is often called away from dinner, absent from family outings, called away from Church, and woken from sleep to care for others. Family, friends, neighbors, and acquaintences call him at home for medical help, suggestions, a check-up, a home visit, a favor, and so on. Many years ago, we returned from a family vacation early (it was also our Christmas) because he had been called up for deployment to Desert Storm to care for people around the world. Most of the people he served there were not Americans, but he loved them all and cared for them with the same level of care and deep concern that he cared for his patients at home. We missed him deeply while he was gone, (and when he was at work at home.) We knew he wanted to be with us in our family, but he was dedicated to his patients and they needed him right then. As I worked with him, I was also able to meet and interact with many others in the surrounding medical community. Nine times out of ten, I recognized the same attention to detail and dedication to patients in these other doctors that I saw in my own father. I just felt it was important to share this side of things as well. I believe this world is still a very good place, and there are still many very good physicians and medical personal in various fields of study and practice that are still trying to do the very best they can for each individual patient. We should be cautious, but please know that there are many good physicians out there serving and giving all they have to their patients and they are deserving of your trust.

Where is the comment that I added about an hour ago? Have you removed it?

Here it is again - Your title says "The Vacination Debate" Hardley a debate - when the "Non Vacination Perspective" link is in tiny, pale blue print at the very bottom. Which is in effect a very biased one sided presentation. Shame on you LDS Living.

Who's Dr Boud - His credentials, who he works for, his experience?

Google the phrase, Infowars: They Want To Inject My Kid With What?

My son received all his vacines. However between the 6 month vaccines and the 9 month ones he became a special needs child. I do not know why it happened. Today he is diagnosed with autism and mental retardation.

Forruka- your comments needtockthefacts, quick tell the Prophet as he must be hoodwinked by the 'evil agenda of the New World Order' and needs to see the 'bigger picture'. Because the Missionary program of the Church dictates that Missionaries get vaccinated. Perhaps he is part of the eval agenda, or perhaps you yourself have been hoodwinked into spending your hard earned $$ on stocking up against what is to come when the evil agenda becomes a reality. I ask you... You don't think any evil can infiltrate the Mormon church??? And any of my purchases to stock up on anything or prepare for the tough times ahead have been because of the teachings of the Mormons..not because those bearing information on the NWO- If you think the NWO doesn't exist- you are a retard. Pres. Ezra Taft Benson spoke on this in the 80's while I was in college- read his book "an enemy hath done this"- he tried to prepare us ahead of time because if Pres Benson was a prophet today saying the things now he said back then, we would probably not get Missionaries and temples built in other countries as we are right now and we would be seeing persecution of the Mormons...for now we keep our nose clean so the Lords work can move forward...but as we were warned previously to prepare and try to preserve our Constitution- The NWO exits- it's just the war that was in Heaven transferred here...and all the evil is hidden, done in darkness and by deception...

I am not a follower of this magazine, but my wife told me about the ongoing 'debate' as well as some of the posters saying some rather unkind things about my former neighbor Dr. Boud. I truly despise these comment section because people can spout of all sorts of nonsense and not have to take ownership. This type of activity gets espoecially emotional when vaccines are the topic. Here is my take on the matter. First of all my name really is John Loertscher. As such I have to take ownership of what I write. Second, I will not tolerate anybody questioning or casting asperions on Dr. Boud's credentials. I have seen his degree and license with my own eyes. I also fill presciptions for his patients every day. Heis certainly qualified to weigh in on this matter. There is no 'debate' about vaccines in my mind. There is no medical conspiracy. There is no credible evidence that vaccines cause autism. Granted vaccines are not without side effects. With influenze shots people sometimes get GBS, severe allergies, etc. These are rare, but they do happen. When this is weighed against the preponderance of people that are avoiding or having reduced symptoms of disease it is an absolute no-brainer. I PERSONALLY vaccinate my children every year. For all of the detractors that are claiming 'personal revelation' as their primary argument against vaccines, I've got bad news. God told me that you're all full of beans. Really....he did!

My personal experience with vaccines: When I was 4 months old I received the pertussis vaccine. This vaccine caused me to get whooping cough which relentlessly stayed with me for 4 months, nearly taking my life. My mom took me to doctor after doctor, and every single one of them would not admit that the pertussis vaccine was the cause of nearly killing me while I was extremely sick as an infant, and none of them could help me. Anytime I've gotten vaccines, I've gotten some kind of terrible reaction.

Obviously, none of you have a clue about immunology or how the immune system actually works. If you all spent more time getting facts from somewhere besides LDS living and Dr. Mercola, and less time flaming on the LDS National Enquirer, you might have an honest clue about reality. This is really sad.

I'm a proud LDS parent of unvaccinated children. After I watched my 2 month old child suffer a life threatening and extremely severe reaction immediately following his vaccinations, I decided to dig deeper and start researching vaccinations. I am awe-struck at the "hidden truths" behind vaccines. I have great faith in the fact that my Heavenly Father created myself and my children perfectly. My innocent children do not need to be pumped full of hundreds of harmful chemicals and live viruses in order to be healthy. Our Father in Heaven would never approve of the tissue of aborted babies to be injected into another human being. It's a travesty. My only message: Learn THE TRUTH about vaccines. Visit nvic.org, vaccinationcouncil.org, vaxtruth.org, vactruth.org, and drtenpenny.com to get started.

fooruku...do you have children?

I'm glad to see that so many people are asking Heavenly Father for inspiration in regards to this issue. There are many things that the prophet and apostles have never given specific instruction on, and it's important to remember that we are individually responsible for our choices. My first child was vaccinated once - he received his MMR and something else as well (I've forgotten what). He did not react well. Luckily he seems, overall, undamaged by the experience. However, he screamed for twenty-four hours with a strange kind of high-pitched scream and it scared me a lot. That's when I started doing research and over the last four years it has become so obvious to me that vaccines are not what they claim to be. At best we should be wary. At worst they are deadly. I realize that by not vaccinating there is a small chance my child could contract something bad, but I would rather take the promises of the word of wisdom to heart and feel the peace that comes then accept the faulty and deceitful promises of men when everything in me says to run the other way.

to those of you who claim vaccines eradicated diseases, i want to hear your arguement against what theflemishgiant had to say :)

Where's the debate?! I see this as a one-sided, biased claim. It's clear from centuries of public record that vaccines didn't do a darn thing in preventing disease or death: http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/graphs/ Until you have a child that started exhibiting symptoms of autism literally 24 hours after his vaccinations, you cannot tell me there is not a correlation between autism and vaccines. Straight from the CDCs mouth: Vaccines DO trigger autism: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dh-nkD5LSIg&feature=player_embedded http://vaxtruth.org/2011/08/vaccines-do-not-cause-autism/ I am an LDS father of a vaccine injured child. My wife and I prayerfully made the decision to not vaccinate our additional children. To say vaccines are harmless is a complete lie. I find it heartbreaking that LDSliving is taking such a biased approach to this. Shame on you for not telling the other side of the story. Shame on you to not opening your eyes to the hundreds of thousands of children that have suffered dearly at the hands of their trusted doctors.

I'm extremely disappointed that the title of the article is titled "The Vaccination Debate" and yet showed only one opinion from one side, I expected better than this. As to my opinion on vaccines, I'm very pro vaccines but very against the recommended schedule, ie the HepB vaccine at birth. HepB is an STD, the CDC even states; "Transmission: Contact with infectious blood, semen, and other body fluids from having sex with an infected person, sharing contaminated needles to inject drugs, or from an infected mother to her newborn." (Directly from the CDC's website) So if the mother doesn't have it at the time of delivery, which they test for, then there is no need for a newborn to get the vaccine and you can get it at any time later in life. I want to protect my babies but I also don't want to expose them to anything unnecessary, esp. when they are newborns.

I wanted to add that I have no problems with Dr. Boud's opinion, he has every right and reason to have it, I just don't agree with it, that anyone can get so venomous over someone's opinion is childish to me and completely unchristian. Everyone needs to inform themselves and make their own decisions using prayer whenever necessary but any "revelation" they receive is for them alone and not to be confused as revelation for anyone else. Heavenly Father knows we are all unique why can't we respect that instead of lashing out at others with different choices and opinions?

fooruku, You're talking about smallpox worldwide. I'm talking about United States. Of course, worldwide sanitation took longer than our own nation. In addition to what I wrote last time, the smallpox disease increased in the United States where smallpox vaccinations were required by law. Get the books by Tim O'Shea. There are many other authors that write on the subject of the dangers of vaccinations; but this one comes to mind quickly.

OK Watermom... First theflemishgiant is combining the whole history of vaccines and implying that it is still the current state of vaccines as they currently exist. That can appear very confusing - just look at the difference in the current DTaP and the old DTP - it would be like using the safety data from cars of the 50's to critisize modern era cars. To look at how the MMR has saved lives, look at more recent history. Just 10 years ago Measles killed close to a million children per year, then thanks in a large part to the LDS church's assistance in purchasing and distributing the MMR vaccine to the world, that number has decreased to just 200,000 children dying per year from measles. Those 800,000 children saved were not from cleaner living. It also shows how deadly Measles can be - and we are seeing a resurgence of Measles as the number of unvaccinated children increases in the US - again proof that vaccines prevent the disease - the US did not get less hygenic recently, yet the rates are increasing. The post mentions polio a lot - which is practically eliminated in the world thanks to vaccinces, and would be if only the pockets of people refusing to use the vaccine would give in and allow it to be given. Then no one would need the vaccine, just like with small pox! Then the article mentions handwashing - true, this is a great preventive measure for all diseases! But given that we all catch a lot of colds shows that it is not that effective as a sole approach to prevention. We need vaccines to prevent the most serious diseases. Comparing polio to the other enteroviruses is interesting - there aren't very many people paralyzed from a minor cold enterovirus, so it is less important to have a vaccine for it! The the post makes the curious claim that because the Menigococcal vaccine cannot stop all types of the bacteria, we should not give it. Have you ever seen anyone with meningococcal disease? I would prevent every single case of it I could. Until we have a vaccine against all sub-types, we should use what we have. Alma did say to use herbs, but not ONLY to use herbs in treating illness. Now about missionaries not needing Hep B - remember that a major source of Hep B infection is needle-stick exposure. Missionaries in their community service could be cleaning trash and be stuck with a needle infected with Hep B. They can be protected from this and should be. Some one else asked why there is less autism amongst the Ahmish. Do you know that? Is there really less, or is it just not diagnosed? Many studies, including the large Danish study have completely proven the autism link for a population is just not there! The best of the best scientists in the world - the Institutes of Medicine were asked to study this, and were not funded at all by governments or the pharmaceuticals, and conclusively stated that vaccines do not cause autism. I will admit, because of the diversity of life, there will be some children adversly affected by all things - including medications, vaccinations, foods, additives, and chemicals, but when you look at a population, you can definitively say it is true that vaccines do not cause autism. My favorite study on that was to have developmental specialists look at hours of home videos of children, some have autism, and others don't. The specialists did not know which children they were viewing, but were extremely accurate at identifying which children have autism, even looking just at the videos at the ages before children have any vaccines. It shows that the autism was already there before the shots, but it was just so subtle that no one had picked up on it yet.

Oh yes, let's bring in the "Danish Study" who's researcher was found to have been embezzling over a million dollars... But of course, his license wasn't stripped and his findings weren't debunked. If he was supposed to be spending that money on research, and he clearly wasn't because he was buying houses and motorcycles, how can we say that his research is well founded? He was supposed to spend that money on RESEARCH, and since he didn't spend that money on RESEARCH, we know that there is no way we can trust his findings.

Dandelion1 - thank you for your comment. I would like to echo that. A major misconception constantly repeated is that vaccines are created only to make profit for companies. That is a huge discredit to people who selflessly dedicate their lives to saving people. Having met some of the researchers who are devoting their lives to developing vaccines that will save people, they do it because they care, they have a passion, and they know there are people suffering and dying and they want to help. They do not expect to get rich, and that is not why they do it. DA Henderson, who was the central person in eradicating smallpox did not make much money on that endeavor, and constantly exposed himself to risk in his efforts to eliminate the last pockets of the disease. He was a great and humble man. In the same light, the doctors who give vaccines do so because they want to help the children who are their patients, and have seen children sick with the very diseases they are trying to prevent. The vaccines do not earn them as much money as you think. My ultimate reason to give shots to my kids is this - consider what would happen if everyone followed the advice of these anti-vaccine websites. Soon we would lose herd immunity, we would have a large population of unprotected children, and the diseases would spread again like they did before. I think many of the parents that are now hesitant would be the first in line to protect their children from the terrible diseases around them as the shots were made available again. The ONLY reason parents who love their children are even able to consider witholding vaccines from their children is because currently most parents do vaccinate. As that number goes down accross America and these diseases make their return, it will be more obvious how well vaccines have really worked.

chosenheir - you may say that about the Danish study, but the results stand, and are consistent with many other studies. And this (if we know the whole truth on that) pales in comparison to what ex-Dr. Wakefield did in his Lancet study that kicked off the the whole MMR-Autism thing to begin with - he falsified his data for money. His crimes were so bad, he lost his medical license!

Mogulrunnin - Please post your sources for other studies having been done that are consistent with the findings of the Danish study. Thank you. To respond to your post above, please see http://healthimpactnews.com/2011/ex-vaccine-developer-reveals-lies-the-vaccine-industry-is-built-upon-in-interview/ this site as it gives a little insight on why some vaccine developers may chose to keep their real opinions to themselves. Also, please see: http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/graphs/ to see the proof that vaccines did not prevent death or disease. I'm sorry I can't make them into clickable links. For your comments on "disease coming back if everyone decides to not vaccinate" -- there is a reason us Anti-vax types do not believe that vaccines can offer Herd Immunity. Herd immunity was originally meant to be applied in populations that had gotten disease naturally and developed a natural immunity. Between 1900 & 1930 A.W. Hendrich studied measles outbreaks in the Boston area. He found that if 68% of the children got measles the outbreak stopped...hence herd immunity. Unfortunately, this term has been applied to vaccines as well, but since vaccines do not offer the same sort of protection as natural infection, herd immunity in this context does not exist. We are led to believe it does though, but our vaccination rates are well above the 68% needed (in some areas near 100%) and outbreaks still occur, usually in highly vaccinated populations. In 2004 a 97% vaccinated school population got chicken pox, in 1987 a 99% vaccinated school population got measles, in 2010 a 77% vaccinated community got mumps. And there are so many more that I can list. in 1997 there was a measles epidemic in New Zeland, there were 2'041 reported cases and 99% immunization rate. Yet in 1994 there was a rate of 87% immunized and only 33 cases. In addition, some diseases have cycles of infections that are not based on vaccinations rates at all, pertussis (whooping cough) being one. Vaccinations can lead us into a cycle of lowered natural immunity and that often results in tougher, more resilient strains popping up, which we then have to rely on more man-made vaccines to cure.

I posted this already also, but even the CDC agrees that vaccines trigger autism: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dh-nkD5LSIg&feature=player_embedded

I do have to admit that I don't have as much of a problem with older children/adults getting vaccinated. While I won't agree that there are no risks, I believe the risks are less. By the time a child is 5 years old, ready to hop into kindergarten, if they are fully vaccinated they will have received 36 injections of 50 vaccinations in their lifetime. That's a whole lot. And these are in CHILDREN. Children are still developing their brain, their bodies, etc. Their immune system isn't fully mature. How in the world can that be safe?! Luckily, we know it's not. And who gets to find this out firsthand?? Parents of vaccine injured children.

Another bogus article of deception, Here's the real truth; See the open letter to media & elected officials which has been sent world wide for the gold mine of proof & evidence to the facts of this horrid matter in the comment section for any honest reporters to do the proper research @ http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20049118-10391695.htm Our big question is; If there's nothing to hide, why all the censorship? Time to end the vaccine cover up.

From the CDCs own website, pamphlets, handouts, etc., certain vaccines have side effects of: encephalitis, seizures, immune system deficiencies, gastrointestinal problems and so forth. Encephalitis causes mood swings, extreme pain, inattention and impulsivity, aggression, balance problems and difficulty relating to one’s environment. Seizures cause mood swings, inattention and impulsivity, alterations in conciousness etc. What do all of these symptoms spell out when you look at it collectively?! AUTISM.

Even though the concept of herd immunity was developed on natural immunity, that doesn't mean it can't be applied to acquired immunity. It is an unfortunate reality that no one tries to hide that getting a full course of a certain vaccine does not guarantee that child is immune - vaccines are not 100% effective. They DO mount a sufficient response to give immunity to the majority of kids - the numbers are different for every vaccine, and that is why we need herd immunity. The people who do develop the immunity from the vaccine protect those that did not. Thus, if either the vaccine is not effective enough, or if too many people choose not to get it, there are enough unprotected people in the population that the disease can spread. As the number of unvaccinated increases, we see more outbreaks. This is absolutely happening - look at the deaths from pertussis last year, and the large nubmer of measles outbreaks. Second point - the problem with giving vaccines only to older kids is that they are the most vulnerable in the infant years. Babies need to be protected when they are the most prone to die from the diseases. I am truly sorry your child was injured by a vaccine. Most are protected and not harmed. I am equally sorry for the families I have met that have lost or had children injured from the disease. I know it is a tough issue, with lots emotion and millions more questions than there are answers, but it is important not to let our decisions be driven by the few horrible stories. That is why we have science - to try to look at these issues without bias and emotion. Unfortunatley that doesn't always happen either - on both sides of the the question.

Mofmars333 - this article is a historical study (metanalysis) that just looks at the proposed causes of autism, and proposes itself some ways that shots cause autism. It does not show any new data at all. I am glad the CDC said it will look at her ideas, and maybe she provided a new way to think of this question. I hope her mechanisms will also be proven to be false. Until that time, we need to rely on the data that we do have. I personally believe that there are MANY factors that combine to cause autism, and I bet in some children, the shots were even one of them, but the studies of populations all show that there is not numerical proof that there is an association between shots and autism.

I would also like to ask: Where is scarlet fever? Typhoid? Tuberculosis? Cholera? Malaria? Yellow Fever? etc. These are all illnesses and diseases that wiped out whole families. But the question is, why don't we see these diseases? We don't routinely vaccinate for them, so why aren't they running rampant? The answer would be the same for this as it would if we didn't vaccinate against anything: Better living conditions, indoor and running plumbing, education on how disease is spread, increased education in food places of how to prevent transmission of illness, and the list goes on. These diseases trickled into almost near extinction at the same rate that vaccinatable diseases trickled out (I remind you, that the diseases vaccines "prevent" were already near extinction before the vaccine was ever introduced into the public). Even though the transmission of those diseases are the same or similar to vaccine preventable diseases. My opinion is that the vaccine makers jumped in on time for some of the diseases (polio, measles, diphtheria etc) and made a vaccine for it, but were too late in making a vaccine in time for the others before realized that those other diseases were already gone. Vaccines are unneeded. Even if we didn't vaccinate, the diseases that vaccines prevent would be as rare as typhoid, yellow fever, etc etc.

"Don’t take my word. . . . Look it up" Thanks Dr. Boud for encouraging people to research before they vaccinate. This is so important. Make sure you research the history of disease, the history of mortality in America and the U.K., war and disease(most people miss this one), and the timeline for vaccinations vs disease eradication.

I am so amazed that this article is one sided. I as a parent of four vaccinated our first three children, that is until our third daughter was hospitalized for a reaction to the MMR for a week in the NICU almost losing her life, and losing all speech and fine motor skills...two weeks later our precious daughter was diagnosed with you guessed it AUTISM!!!! There is not a doctor on this planet that can tell me that vaccines did not cause her autism or the life long immune complications that she will have for the rest of her life, I have been told by AUTO IMMUNE SPECIALIST that it is his belief that vaccines did comprise her. At that point we have never vaccinated again nor will do so in the future!! All of our first three children had ear infections, caught the flu, you name it they had it, yes even the chicken pox and they were vaccinated for that as well....makes you wonder why I as a parent would ever vaccinate my child. I however did read recently that the Chicken Pox Vaccine now has to be given twice to children, not once as I was told when my older three recieved the vaccine, my response is this if you do not know that it will work DO NOT INJECT IT INTO CHILDREN!!!! On a side note our fourth child who has NEVER recieved a vaccine is now 26 months old he has been sick once for an ear infection, that is it, nothing else. He was cured without over prescribed antibiotics and is a normal well rounded toddler who lives a well rounded life. One a side note I would like to ask why a HEP B Vaccine would be necessary at birth, when a baby is not an IV drug user nor sexually active does not make a lot of sense to me. I guess until someone walks through the damages that vaccines can cause they will never understand. I did and sadly it cost our precious daughter more than most people will ever know. I do know that I live in faith and my Father in Heaven can heal her and will someday, maybe not on this earth but she will be healed!

It is interesting to me how the majority of people that do not vax are here to share their REAL LIFE experiences and have first hand seen the devastation that is possible when they did vaccinate. But on the other hand most (not all) who are all FOR vaccinations have no REAL personal experiences with the possible side effects that even the CDC lists. Provaxers also tend to sling a lot of insults, that is a sign of FEAR, which is the tactic most often used by provaxers. I have noticed through all my years of reading, for every "fact" on one side, there is a contradicting "fact" for the other side. This is not about "facts" cuz frankly, everyone will always have OPINIONS that they believe to be fact and will continue to argue them. The personal Real Life experiences should be considered just as much as any 'scientific study'. I also don't understand the big Fear of unvaxed kids. If your kids are vaxed and vaccines DO work as your trusted doctor tells you they do, then even if your child catches a disease they should make it through just fine with little or no problems, since they have built immunity to the disease. If this were True, as we are told, only the unvaccinated should be at risk for contracting the diseases and/or having severe problems (with the exception of immune deficient children). To me, this all comes down to Freedom of Choice and fear of the unknown. If Every person was vaxed, it is UNKNOWN if that disease would completely disappear. Provaxers are most often driven by fear of the unknown while Non Vaxers are most often driven by close personal experiences and simply wanting the freedom to do what they know to be the best option for their own children. The "few sacrificed for the general public" is all fine and dandy until the few sacrificed becomes You or someone you love! Seriously, look at your children tonight and REALLY imagine if after you injected them with something you thought was safe, tomorrow you woke up and your little boy or girl would no longer look you in the eye, or lost their ability to communicate, or maybe simply died of SIDS during the night (which is listed as a possible side effect on the vax info, last time I checked), Really feel what that would feel like, then re-evaluate your insults towards parents who choose to protect their children from those very Real side effects. We are all here to protect our own families, but that does not mean that there are some (not all) doctors and scientists that are not corrupt or simply don't look beyond what is told to them and believe it is true. Sorry people, but not everything you read or hear is FACT. I expect to read a lot of insults and attacks on public boards, but on an LDS website, really disappointing, but I guess there are ALL kinds no matter where you go. Thank You to all who have shared their personal experiences without bashing. If I posted anything that offended "you", it wasn't intentional and maybe you should re-evaluate your sensitivities.

My name is Danielle M Pederson. Thank you to john_loertscher for pointing out how we need to be accountable for what we say. It is too easy to hide behind another name online. Thank you also to dandelion1 for a stirring and wonderful comment about the care of many good physicians. What we have to keep in mind though is that anything good - like vaccines - (the word good is used subjectively here as others have a different opinion) can be used for evil as well. I believe evil men are out there that use vaccinations to achieve their own selfish desires. But just because evil men are using vaccines for ill doesn't mean what they are using is inherently bad. This is also true of the internet, so many many bad things happen because of it, but so many good things too. Just because bad things happen because of the internet that doesn't make the internet 'bad'. This thread has a lot of information and a lot of things to take in. I am pro-immunization. I however live in Canada where our children are only scheduled to receive 18 vaccines (not including the flu shot) over the course of about 14 years and none of these before they are 2 months old. Does this make a difference in the fact that my child had no serious reaction? I don't know. As to bigdaddy saying, "He [the Prophet] has never made a statement in conference about this that I am aware of". The First Presidency issued a statement that was included in an article titled "Immunize Children, Leaders Urge." in the July 1978 Liahona. When you type immunize in the search tool on LDS.org this is the first article to appear. I'm surprised more members don't know about this. See the article here: http://lds.org/liahona/1978/07/immunize-children-leaders-urge?lang=eng&query=immunize I shared this article and there were some who stated that because this statement was made in 1978 it no longer applied. My thoughts are: I don't think anything the First Presidency or the Prophets states has an expiry date. Do your research. Pray. I have chosen to do as the First Presidency has urged. I think a friend of mine said it best when she said it comes down to experiences, she had a bad experience with not vaccinating and so she does. Another good woman I know chooses not to vaccinate after a bad experience with doing so. We all have our choice. I, myself, will always be pro-immunization.

I wonder how many of the paranoid parents here feed their children processed meats (nitrites & nitrates), fruits & veggies covered with pesticides, waxes & other chemicals, meats & milk full of hormones and antibiotics, boxed goods like cereal that have been sprayed to keep the bugs away (not to mention all the bug particles that are allowed by law into the product). Nothing in life is safe. However I remember growing up with girlfriends who could barely walk in their braces because of polio, who lost their hearing because of earaches & parents who wouldnt take them to the doctor for antibiotics, who have valve damage to their heart from strep (and again no doctor and no antibiotics). I myself have permanent heart damage because my doctor brushed off having the flu and it went into my heart and I have now spent tens of thousands of dollars in 20 years on medications to keep me alive and constant testing & doctors appointments. In the 50's & 60's there were limited vaccinations available but we all got them. Unfortunately some of them were too late in coming for some of us and we had to suffer through some pretty horrible illnesses. Nothing in life is sure, but being panaoid is not so wise either. You can get saved in a hospital or die from MRSA. You get the idea. The fact is that there have been far more people helped than hurt with immunizations and if children were allowed to stay home with their mothers instead of being passed around to daycares, then maybe it would be better to wait until they are older to vaccinate. I vaccinated my kids and they never had to go through what I or my childhood friends did.

Have you ever read the medical warnings for Tylenol? Sudafed? Aspirin? Benadryl? Do you know they are putting propylene glycol (antifreeze) in just about everything we eat now (not to be confused with polyethylene glycol)? There is sodium laurel sulfate in angelfood cake mix... that's right! Dish soap. It is an odd world where money & convenience is more important than health. I know of no safe bubble we can live in.

FYI: Valuable related topic for those stuggling with add,depression, autism spectrum, schizophrenia etc. i.e. psychological disturbances. Vaccinations can exacerbate these conditions. Check out www.gapsdiet.com Gut and psychology syndrome.

...excerpt from some of what you will find conducting the above referenced search: Vaccine Infowar In Alberta, Canada Hits Mainstream Press The following Letter To The Editor by a resident of Manti, appeared in the Lethbridge Herald November 14th, 2009. The Lethbridge Herald is a daily newspaper that is distributed to all the towns in Southern Alberta, including Cardston -- as well as in the City of Lethbridge. ___________________________________ Parents Need To Be Informed About Vaccine Content Recently, I was disturbed to read a report, written by Rene Leiva, MD, entitled, “A Brief History of Human Diploid Cell Strains”. The report was copywrited in 2006 by the The National Catholic Bioethics Center; and appeared in the journal, The National Catholic Bioethics Quarterly, autumn, 2006. The paper is a seven-page-report that documents how for 35-plus years now, aborted, human fetal tissue has been an integral component in many of our current day vaccines. In fact an examination of the CDC’s own website, under the vaccine ingredient section, discloses Human Diploid Cells (aborted human fetal tissue) as an ingredient…along with a host of substances known to be highly toxic to the human body, such as formaldehyde, formalin, ammonium, aluminum…and many others. Recently, I was also disturbed to read a report, written by a very well known, respected investigative journalist…who also happens to have a law degree (“Vaccinations: Deadly Immunity”, by Robert F. Kennedy Jr. …very carefully sourced…and published in both Rolling Stone and Salon). The report cited transcripts obtained through the Freedom of Information Act – about a secret meeting that took place in June of 2000, at an isolated location; a retreat center called the Simpsonwood Conference Center, in Norcross Georgia. The meeting was convened by government officials of the CDC (Center For Disease Control); and included representatives of every major manufacturer, within the multi-billion-dollar vaccine industry. Those transcripts of the meeting, obtained through the Freedom of Information Act reveal something very disturbing: The topic of discussion was about how they knew the vaccines were harming millions of children…and steps they should take to keep that information from the public. Sadly, it seems to me – information disclosed to the public about vaccinations is more often than not, information that has been carefully screened and sculpted by those who stand to profit, often to the tune of billions of dollars – by perpetuating certain public beliefs. It is my belief that parents and grandparents should exercise their right to inform themselves through sources independent from those that stand to profit by their choices – so that they might truly make informed decisions. For documentation of the above facts and to learn more, Google the phrase, Infowars: They Want To Inject My Kid With What? Dave Conrad Manti, Utah (formerly of Warner, Alberta) http://www.lethbridgeherald.com/content ... 14455/150/ _________________________________________ Subsequent to the appearance of that letter, a letter of refutation was printed in the Lethbridge Herald, which was authored by Dr. Peter W. Dibble, Professor of Chemistry, University of Lethbridge. See the following link for Professor Dibble's letter: http://www.lethbridgeherald.com/content ... 17609/150/ Here follows, the Manti resident's response: __________________________________________ Ingesting Is Different Than Injecting In his November 20th letter, Professor Dibble demonstrates that a PHD in chemistry does not necessarily translate to a sound understanding of neurophysiology. His refutation of my November 14th letter makes the authoritative sounding statement that he would have to eat half a kilogram of aluminum phosphate, in order for it to kill him. That statement is akin to the sound bite which Big Pharma has put out to quell concerns regarding mercury in vaccines – which is, “For heaven’s sake, you get more mercury from eating a tuna fish sandwich, than you do from a vaccine.” In the real world of physiology, however – there is a profound difference between ingesting a substance, wherein most of it passes through the digestive tract and is eliminated from your system – and having that same substance injected directly into the body, bypassing the digestive system, having direct access into the blood stream via capillary uptake, and access to neurological tissue in the brain through penetration of the blood-brain barrier. The professor attempts to minimize the other primary sources of documentation cited, which includes testimony from several credible medical doctors, scientists and others, by referring only to the Rolling Stone/Salon article – which I concur, certainly is not a scientific/medical publication. In reality however, the significance of the Rolling Stone/Salon article authored by Robert F Kennedy Jr., is this: those are enormous publications read by millions of people around the globe; and they understand full well the implications of a potential multi-billion dollar slander/libel law suit. They also understand that no slander/libel can be found if the material is indeed true, and can be proven to be true in a court of law. With that in mind, they proceeded (in that article) with publishing material extremely damning to one of the most powerful industries in the world – the multi-billion-dollar vaccine industry. The article cites irrefutable proof (transcripts obtained through the Freedom of Information Act) that a secret meeting occurred between the CDC and the Vaccine Industry; and that the purpose of the meeting was that they KNEW that vaccines were causing irreparable harm to millions of children around the world…and what they could do to keep that information from the public. Again for documentation of the above facts, and many others…Google the phrase, Infowars: They Want To Inject My Kid With What? Dave Conrad Manti, Utah (Formerly of Warner, Alberta) http://www.lethbridgeherald.com/content ... 20485/150/ [As noted above, the Lethbrige Herald links are outdated and no longer work, but you have here at least the text of the pieces I wrote, which should also give you the gist of Professor Dibble's failed, refutation attempt.]

From LDS Church policies: health policies: 21.3.6 "Medical and Health Practices Members should not use medical or health practices that are ethically or legally questionable. Local leaders should advise members who have health problems to consult with competent professional practitioners who are licensed in the countries where they practice." PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE explain to me how vaccines with that have HUMAN TISSUE from ABORTED BABIES is not ETHICALLY QUESTIONABLE?!

I am going to be short and to the point! This is nothing more than scare tactics and I seriously doubt that Cody ever existed and I am sickened by how one sided this tear jerker of a story is. I have a real tear jerker for you, millions upon millions of individuals and families are dealing with vaccine injuries. If you want to learn the truth do your research by seeking out and talking to individuals and families who have been harmed by vaccines.

"Vaccines are held to the highest standard of safety. The United States currently has the safest, most effective vaccine supply in history. Years of testing are required by law before a vaccine can be licensed." Dr Boud, apparently you are unaware, but NO testing is required for vaccination to enter the general public. Years of testing? Uhhh.... no. How long did it take for the H1N1 to hit the market? Wasn't it like 3 months? Where are the tests for that? Also Gardasil, no tests for that either. VACCINES DO NOT REQUIRE TESTING. The general populous are the guinea pigs for vaccines. Also, the vaccines the US use are the same vaccines that everyone else uses in the world. So your statement, if it were true, would need to say that the entire world has the most safe and effective vaccines in history. Ugh, I cannot stand the misinformation in this article.

I am a daughter of a doctor aaren't 7 siblings and I are not vaccinated. I also have not vaccinated my 5 children. A good read is "How to Raise a Healthy Child in Spite of Your Doctor." Remember no one, no law, can force you to inject poison into your body and that is exactly what vaccinations are. It is a personal decision and we all should be free to decide either way without judgement from anyone.

Sorry, take out aaren't and put in my, oops!

For additional info and to hear an audio recording on the subject during a guest appearance on the nationally syndicated Stanley Monteith, MD show, Google the phrase Dave Conrad LDS Liberty . Or copy paste the following url into your web browser and click enter: http://www.ldsliberty.org/author/dconrad000/

…a technical tip for those interested, when clicking the link to the Stan Monteith audio clip: If you are using Internet Explorer it may take a few minutes for the audio file to load. It will seem as if nothing is happening…you just need to be patient and allow time for the audio file to load. If you use Firefox however, it should begin playing immediately and finish loading while it is playing.

To watermom... Yes, I have 3 children from 15 to 19, all vaccinated. However before getting their vaccination we ensured that their health was good and had them checked by their Doctor first. No child should ill when they are vaccinated. I believe that all should be able to do what their heart dictates however when it comes to the wellbeing of ALL people some things should be has they had been in the past compulsory. That being said I respect anyone that provides a reasonable discussion on this or any subject, this appears almost impossible with so many here on both sides of this………. I object to those like 'needtockthefacts' who called me a 'retard', well I think they meant me, the comment was aimed at 'fooruka' but then for someone with 'facts' in their name they find it hard to stay with the facts, as they got so much wrong in what they said, plus bring Pres Benson into it by bring up something that he wrote and said prior to being the Prophet as proof of the NWO. I also never said I didn't 'believe' in what is referred to as the NWO, only that I didn't see that I should follow and believe EVERYTHING that is said by those that appear to be able to prove it (without having REAL proof), and as they make money from those that follow this need so many seem to have to believe there is something always around the corner to destroy what 'we hold' so dear…. It bothers me that people will follow anything blindly, and this 'fight against' the NWO is followed more blindly than anything I have seen. It is interesting that so many will follow what a past Prophet said BEFORE he was a Prophet, as if it was God’s law, yet will take as a suggestion what the Prophet today will say, and we are taught often to seek after Medical Advice from Professionals. Oh and 'needs' yes we are told that leaders in the Church can be fooled, but we are also told that the Lord will not allow his Prophet to lead us astray, so if you do feel that the Prophet is, you may have more important issues that you need to deal with than the NWO .................... Oh and a comment to ‘dfb’, of course I was talking about things as a worldwide view, it is because so many like yourself who talk and think only about the USA when it comes to WORLDWIDE things such as disease, if you all stopped thinking of only the USA, you may find that the USA starts to gain more friends outside of its boarders again…….. So let’s have a discussion about this rather than those that believe vaccination should be done being called names and told they need to read the truth and if they do they will change their minds and see that they had been fooled by 'BIG PHARMAs' so they can make money, which is strange coming from Americans where that is meant to be a good thing, then they can start spending their money on the books and DVD of those teaching us about the NWO and how to stock pile against them and see the tricks of the NWO and feel so much more superior than those that don’t BELIEVE……. It disturbs me that so many are saying 'this Doctor' doesn't know what he his saying, and what asking about qualifications? Then will give REAMS of links to doctors that THEY believe in, mostly because those doctors say what agrees with their own personal views, well I hope that they look into the qualifications of THOSE doctors as well. But I really doubt it. Funny how love your fellow man goes out the window so quickly when one does not agree with the other, from what I have seen the most ‘violent’ remakes appear to be made by those that do not agree with vaccination toward those that do. For me that shows more who has contention in their hearts. Even in the Church that we are all supposed to believe in, we are told by the Prophet himself, to pray about what he has said and gain our own testimony. So do it.

Yes, fooruuke, needtockthefacts did call you a retard. I think that speaks for itself. By the way, the CDC DOES NOT believe vaccines cause autism. Check the website. Good grief people. We have a daughter with autism and I would rather she be autistic than dead. In addition to the fact that very few people worldwide actually believe that they are related. And that is a good thing. Like others have alluded to, I am not advocating forcing everyone to be immunized but it feels like those opposed to immunizations would outlaw vaccines had they the power. I am free to choose and I allow others that freedom. Besides that, those who do not vaccinate are the ones who are really keeping the vaccine companies in business. If they would all vaccinate, the disease would die out and the need for vaccines would die with. Oh, you don't agree? Prove me wrong.

Sorry, fooruku, I misspelled your name.

zzap62 its all good brother, your clever enough to pick it up, and it is not an easy name to spell. I agree with you 100%, all those that want to stop vaccinations happening are indeed keeping the companies making them in good business. Also people should not miss what 'gramma' had to say, she obviously suffered with and saw personally the effects of diseases that vaccination can help 'prevent' or lessen the effects of. Those so strongly against vaccination are living longer because of such medical breakthroughs. Yet they turn around and say ‘no its clean water that stopped diseases’. Funny that in countries like India were there is not that much clean water about, there is still less disease, but then in those country's you have to be vaccinated. So how does the clean water alone story stand up there? Clean water, clean air and good food is all good for one’s health, but those alone will not stop you from getting a disease that can kill you. I wonder how much fast food, soft drink, and candy those against vaccination eat and drink? Yet they go on about ‘no unclean thing shall enter your body’ when it comes to being vaccinated against a disease could kill or disfigure. It is sad that so many can't disagree with another's view without becoming personal and try to degrade the views of those they can’t agree with. As you say zzap62, I think that speaks for itself.

Good comment Meg678 Meg678 quoted someone who was ill informed........ "Vaccines are held to the highest standard of safety. The United States currently has the safest, most effective vaccine supply in history. Years of testing are required by law before a vaccine can be licensed." Then Meg wrote;........ "Dr Boud, apparently you are unaware, but NO testing is required for vaccination to enter the general public. Years of testing? Uhhh.... no. How long did it take for the H1N1 to hit the market? Wasn't it like 3 months? Where are the tests for that? Also Gardasil, no tests for that either. VACCINES DO NOT REQUIRE TESTING. The general populous are the guinea pigs for vaccines. Also, the vaccines the US use are the same vaccines that everyone else uses in the world. So your statement, if it were true, would need to say that the entire world has the most safe and effective vaccines in history. Ugh, I cannot stand the misinformation in this article."........ And I'd like to add:........ "New study: Nations requiring the most vaccines tend to have the worst infant mortality rates" http://www.naturalnews.com/032306_vaccines_infant_mortality.html

Gramma, I am so sorry you have sufferd so much. But it is true many more have & are suffering due to the fraud & greed behind vaccines........You mention polio, Gramma........Please look into, "The Polio Myth" to see the many articles & also see>>>>>>>http://www.whale.to/vaccine/scheibner.html........You are right, Gramma, about the toxins in our food & they, too, are to blame. But we are not "paranoid" as you said.......We know we have a soup mix of toxins to deal with, delivered on us, poisoning us by air, food & water & condoned by government agencies like the FDA whom we trusted with our health & well being.........It's a crazy world we live in & we all have to pray, now, that this evil comes to its end. Because the biggest culprit of the delivery of horrible toxins is vaccines as you will learn if you open your mind & heart to all these wise voices, here trying to tell you so more children won't be harmed........The fact & evidence is out & undeniable to those who really want the truth. And they will find it.........Amen

runinmogul- non-polio enteroviruses are very common- second only to rhinoviruses. There is much debate about how many polio cases were actually polio vs. non-polio enteroviruses that the vaccine may have stopped. As for meningitis, the fact is that the vaccine does not protect against the most common strain of meninigococcal disease. Sure, we want to prevent any type of meningitis, but the odds of the vaccine actually accomplishing that are quite small since it does not protect against the most common strain. There is also plenty of evidence that poor diet and unsanitary living conditions do contribute to measles. A 2004 study in the Indian Journal of Medical Science stated that in an outbreak of measles in an Indian slum, almost one-third of children who developed the disease were vaccinated. The September/October 1996 issue of the Journal of Pediatric Nursing found that 72% of all hospitalized cases of measles in the US were vitamin A deficient. An April 2010 article in the Wall Street Journal described how polio is still rampant in Nigeria despite Bill Gates's massive vaccine campaign. You did not address the 1953 report to the Office of Vital Statistics. You did not address the use of aborted fetal cells in culturing vaccines. You did not address Simian Virus 40 and brain tumors. You did not address carcinogens and toxic chemicals in vaccines. Your response was highly emotional and lacking data. The one study you did site lacks accuracy. Researchers can not observe children before they have been vaccinated because many are vaccinated with the Hepatitis B shot right after birth. Even if they skip that, they are supposed to get DTaP, Hep B #2, IPV, HiB, and PCV at 2 months old, making it virutally impossible to observe a child before vaccination. It seems that you dearly wish to believe that a shot full of animal viruses, heavy metals, toxic chemicals, and aborted fetal cells can protect you and the whole world from disease no matter what living conditions may prevail. If that belief is so close to your heart and so important to you, nothing I say will be able to convince you. But you have the data here anyway. If you truly wish to protect yourself from disease, wash your hands, eat a plant based diet as described in the Word of Wisdom, and eliminate chemicals from your life as much as possible. Best wishes to you and any out there who are earnestly seeking for the truth.

mogulrunnin wrote~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Mofmars333 - this article is a historical study (metanalysis) that just looks at the proposed causes of autism, and proposes itself some ways that shots cause autism. It does not show any new data at all. I am glad the CDC said it will look at her ideas, and maybe she provided a new way to think of this question. I hope her mechanisms will also be proven to be false. Until that time, we need to rely on the data that we do have. I personally believe that there are MANY factors that combine to cause autism, and I bet in some children, the shots were even one of them, but the studies of populations all show that there is not numerical proof that there is an association between shots and autism.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ THIS ARTICLE IS WHAT?>>>>>>> http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20049118-10391695.htm........The data you speak of, mogulrunnin, has already been proven fraud........With all due respect, it's clear you are of the same closed mind set as too many still are & not even willing to look at true data backed by real fact which proves the science behind vaccines is fraudulent........In that article is explosive & eye opening detail you overlooked........You also missed the Open Letter To Media & Elected Officials which has gone viral due to angry parents & activists all over the world sharing it........It was in the comment section that everyone was directed to........It was sent to all media & each government representative in America as well as other governments in other countries........Great news in that open letter is epic as it reveals we have taken matters into our own hands beginning with the billboards going up all over the globe concerning vaccines........As well as the announcement of a new political party in America where people from the left, right & center are gathering as world citizens stand with "US" in truth........Because it's going to take all of us to save our children, subsequently, saving posterity from this worldwide experiment that's been holding all children as guinea pigs in harm's way, for far too long........Except, of course, for the children of the criminals behind the fraud with vested interests & heatlh care workers, doctors & nurses who know full well the dangers if they allowed these toxins to be shot into their own.......You missed a whole lot, mogulrunnin, so I'll cover more of what you are trying to discredit, later........You, obviously, have not seen any of the mind blowing details in the article as well as exposure of who is behind this atrocity & controlling media in order to continue the cover up which is proven in the last few comments there.........The information you were directed to is authentic & ground breaking........You did not review any of it or you would not have made such an irreverent & empty comment as you have........I will spell it out for you so you can understand & won't pass over what is being shown to you in my following comments........I find it strange that for some reason, even, a few of my own friends & loved ones ((((WILL NOT)))), sometimes, seeming, they ((((CANNOT)))) look at the evidence given them to research........I have been an activist for years & thought I had gotten through to a very close loved one but she didn't even bother to do the research on what she was sent & she is very sorry now........SO!........Another lovely 6 year old, the love of my life, has just joined the ranks & myriads of child victims & my heart breaks because her Momma was too lazy & brainwashed to protect her own child........And both her girls have had serious side effects after each vaccination visit up till now & still that herd mentality kept hold......... UNBELIEVABLE!........To be continued

Also, thank you watermom for your support. =) And P.S. runinmogul, some more food for thought for you and anyone else interested: The number of cases reported to VAERS represent only a fraction of actual reactions because of rampant physician under reporting. Lack of testing makes disease reporting inaccurate such as the case of the baby boy in San Diego who supposedly caught measles from an unvaccinated child in 2008. Only 11% of cases of measles in infants under 1 are validated by laboratory tests. The CDC also told doctors to stop testing for H1N1 in 2009, skewing numbers. Vaccines are not 100% effective by any means. Even vaccine proponent Arthur Allen stated in an article that half of all pertussis cases in Boulder, Colorado were in vaccinated individuals. In September 2010 three fully vaccinated Wheeling Ohio kids developed pertussis.On the CDC’s website there is a dispatch describing cases of pertussis in fully vaccinated Israeli children which resulted in the death of one vaccinated infant. The report examined 46 fully vaccinated children, five of whom tested positive for pertussis, though, only two of those children met the World Health Organization’s diagnostic criteria for pertussis. The study concluded that even vaccinated, asymptomatic children can be carriers of pertussis. In Lithuania 53 children tested positive for pertussis in 2001. 32 of the 53 were fully vaccinated. Of the 1,000 adults and children who tested positive for pertussis in San Diego during the 2010 outbreak, over half had been vaccinated. A survey of nine other counties in California showed that between 44 and 83 percent of individuals with pertussis had been immunized. And According to the Mayo Clinic’s website, the greatest risk factors for hepatitis B are working with human blood, promiscuous sexual activity, and sharing needles during intravenous drug use- not taking out the trash.

As a physician Dr. Boud has repsonsibility to do the proper research as is clear he has not........We understand there are many doctors still in the dark on this matter but they will not be allowed to remain void of real fact, any longer........The fraud pretending to be science has been exposed beyond shadows of doubt & the real science is the many child victims & adults who have been harmed & died in the name of error & greed........I will present overwhelming evidence, including a post, titled, EPIDEMICS, that helps prove the science behind vaccines is fraud........I hope this site will allow a bunch of links in one post or it will be hard to get all the information to you........Those who are looking for truth are welcome to copy & save anything I send to use as tools to help fight the deception still trying to dupe people........Some of these vaccine pushers are not innocent as some represent the greed behind the fraud & have vested interests......... Those who have been fooled by them will be waking up once they open their ears, eyes & hearts........The good that God is will be seeing to that........Before I begin with detailed & in depth fact so no one misses anything, I want to tell everyone all they have to do to get to the bottom of this vaccine cover up, themselves, is look up; Faked studies and paid doctors to put their names on them, as well as; Peer Review and fraud, for the undeniable & overwhelming mountain of proof........And all that is but the tip of the ice berg & only what we have caught them red handed at........It's time people do their own research & stop beLIEving what has been fed to us........Look closley at both sides of this issue for children's sake & ask in true sincerity that truth be shown you & you will see........Our people are well able to sort out any miss-information using logic, common sense & prayer........Upon serious investigation anyone will be able to see the big picture in the past track record by doing as I asked & looking into those faked studies & fraud of peer review of those who bring us vaccines & push them on little children & unsuspecting adults........When this is over many at the top of these crimes against humanity standing for big business & the pharms will be held accountable.......So, our good doctors must choose sides carefully & do it now........I cannot believe they can still find doctors willing to write articles & enter into this debate where our side has been censored which is another injustice that Open Letter To Media & Elected Officials, also, exposes, big time, by the way.......It did my heart good to see so many wise comments here but those few backing Dr. Boud are sincerely wrong & need to wake up........I will break this information into separate comments so as not to overwhelm anyone in hope Dr. Boud will do the research & learn the truth so he will join the correct & moral side of this war that's been waged against our children. To be continued with Epidemics;

Our pediatrician wanted the kids to take a certain vaccine. We did research and found that it had mercury in it and there was another brand that did not. We asked for the one with no mercury, and offered to pay the difference. He basically called us lunatics and refused. Needless to say we have a different pediatrician now.

The trade off for having childhood disease, that most always strengthened immune systems, was replaced by epidemics on a scale that’s so massive it now takes 1 in 3 in cancer before age of 65.........I just heard from mainstream media those numbers are 1 in 2, now, when it comes to men........Maybe they are more susceptible and/or its because they are hit with a slew of so many vaccines in the military. For children, 1 in 100 are being injured in many ways including death & neurological disorders called autism........I wonder how many slip though the cracks?........That number is now 1 in 58 for our boys as they are said to be more susceptible.........Speaking of our boys.......That Gardasil vaccine has killed too many girls & what did they do?........They recently targeted our boys, too........And since that goulish move we recently had our first death...Giving Merck's slogan, "One Less" whole new meaning........Look it up!........ENOUGH!........The label autism should be changed to what it is & that's vaccine damage or vaccine death.........Proof there is a link between vaccines & "autism" was also in that open letter sent here but ignored.......Other toxins & harmful drugs are to blame, too, but vaccines are the catalyst..........Doctors have been trained to blame media, saying there has been no increase. They say cancer & autism have always been prominent but we never noticed until media began reporting it. They also blame the rise in autism on better diagnosis but if that was so, we would have noticed these victims all around us, if they had actually been there all along.........And if that were really so where are all these adults?........We know this is a lie because we can see with our own eyes how widespread both cancer & "so called", autism have become.........We never saw such epidemics years back & the rise has been right in step with the increase in vaccinations through the years........We Are A Nation of Epidemics on a scale of such magnitude that it is unbelievable yet undeniable if properly investigated~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ “Studies Show 1 in 100 Kids Have Autism” CBS News Health Watch”........ http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/10/05/health/main5363192.shtml... “There is an epidemic of cancer today. One in three Americans will be diagnosed with cancer, often before the age of 65.”........ http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/19/opinion/19iht-edservan.1.16308287.html... “The Autoimmune Epidemic: Bodies Gone Haywire in a World Out of Balance”........ http://www.mindfully.org/Health/2008/Autoimmune-Epidemic-Nakazawa21mar08.htm... “Chickenpox Vaccine Linked with Shingles Epidemic”........ http://www.herpesdoctor.com/chickenpox-vaccine-linked-shingles-epidemic... There’s a new study that came out last year & yet they are still giving these toxic jabs>>> “Chickenpox Vaccine & Death – New US Government Study”........ http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/2009/11/06/chickenpoxadultdeaths/... “Epilepsy is a global epidemic”........ http://www.modernghana.com/news2/231579/1/epilepsy-is-a-global-epidemic-epileptic-expert.html... And they have known vaccines have caused epilepsy for years>>> http://vactruth.com/2010/05/09/vaccines-cause-epilepsy/... “The Asthma Epidemic”........ http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/short/355/21/2226... “The allergy epidemic: by 2015 half of us may be carrying one of these”........ http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2004/feb/10/health.medicineandhealth1... “America’s Frightening Alzheimer’s Epidemic”........ http://www.alternet.org/health/85532... Alzheimer’s is old people’s neurological disorder labeled “autism” & now it’s striking younger people, too>>> “Young Adults for the Alzheimer’s Association”........ http://www.alz.org/northcarolina/in_my_community_15934.asp... “Childhood MS: A silent epidemic?”........ http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2002-12-03-ms-usat_x.htm... “How a Continuing Polio Epidemic is being Hidden” The truth about vaccines........ http://www.fearoftheinvisible.com/whohides... “Diabetes epidemic out of control”........ http://www.idf.org/diabetes-epidemic-out-control... “Parkinson’s disease: The silent epidemic”Another neurological disorder........ http://www.seattlepi.com/local/park01.shtml... “A Form of chronic epidemic encephalitis simulating the Landouzy-Dejerine type of progressive Muscular Dystrophy”........ http://archneurpsyc.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/summary/38/5/1039... On & on it goes. Google almost “any disease and epidemic” you can think of & see for yourself........ It’s not rocket science & sooner or later logic has to set in as it’s only common sense to know this rise in epidemics has been right in step with the ridiculous increase in vaccines through the years..........Enough for now but I'll be back with incredible news no one should miss.

theflemishgiant - yes, you did talk about many things I did not address - I have not researched some of the things you raised, so do not want to say something incorrect. But I can comment on a few things you mentioned. Most enteroviral infections are very mild, so will never warrant a vaccine, but polio is different, just as gramma gave personal accounts of people devastated by it. Every disease and bug is different. You mentioned measles again - the most obvious proof that vaccines work to prevent disease. Again, the increased use of the MMR vaccine lowered the children dying from 800,000 to 150,000 per year in 2008 - in the last 10 years alone that has to be 4-6 MILLION children saved! Thank you LDS church for supporting that amazing miracle. Of course diseases are difficult to defeat, and there are many factors that go it to how they affect people, including hygiene and Vit A and so many things people have mentioned, but the vaccines are a vital part. They are not perfect, so usually around 90% of the people vaccinated will not form a permanent immunity to the disease, so some will still be at risk. That doesn't mean it shouldn't be done. We can't prevent Type B meningococcal disease with a vaccine, but we can prevent types A, Y, and W135. And since that vaccine and the Hib and the pneumococcal vaccine have been introduced, meningitis has become much more rare - thankfully! What a horrible disease - have you ever seen anyone with it? It is terrible. To Chosenheir - you mentioned a few diseases. First of all, there is TONS of Scarlet fever around - this is caused by Group A strep infection, which happens a lot in the US. There is some tuberculosis around in the US, and lots of it in the rest of the world. You also mentioned some diseases that are very effectively combated with hygenic measures only - proper use of mosquito nets is great against malaria, yet it still kills 700,000-800,000 people per year. Cholera is easily prevented with oral hygiene, and easily treated with oral rehydration, yet still killed 5,000 people in 2009. Much of this was as a result of the breakdown of hygiene after a disaster - often manmade. Use of the cholera vaccine is very helpful in these situations. I have two points about this - yes there are many diseases in America that have been controlled by hygiene, but every disease is different, and some have not been controlled by it. Second, we should use all of our weapons to prevent disease, just vaccines or just hygiene are not enough. I especially applaud those that have posted that have chosen to eat healthy diets, avoid processed foods and chemicals when possible. The rise in autism corresponds as much to the rise in use of these these things as it does to the number of vaccines.

The MOST important distinction I think needs to be raised in this discussion is the use of the word research. There are so many cautions to "do your own research", but I think this implies go to the websites that are against vaccines and read the anecdotal and emotional words written by people who care deeply about the subject. True research removes emotion from the equation. There are so many studies from good people that show there is no connection, and people just say they are tainted by the industry or government. They can't all be tainted. I know some of the people doing the research, they are good, honest people, and if they find true, good, honest data that link vaccines and autism, they will shout it to the whole world. But the numbers just don't support that conclusion for a population.

avocat - which vaccine was it? Thimerisol (Mercury) was taken out of all vaccines years ago - except for the multi-dose vial of influenza, and one other, yellow fever I think? Incidentaly, there has been absolutely no positive effects from that removal - it was a completely false premise.

Thimerisol is still in some vaccines, besides the flu shots, in trace amounts & used as preservatives; http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/SafetyAvailability/VaccineSafety/UCM096228

mogulrunin- As a matter of fact I do eat a high raw, plant based diet and abstain from processed foods. The fact remains that statistics show that MMR and DTP had nothing to do with decreasing the numbers of deaths from these diseases. If herd immunity holds true then we should still be vaccinating for smallpox, scarlet fever, cholera, typhoid etc. And most polio infections were very mild. BTW- actual paralysis from polio was relatively rare. According to the CDC, less than 1% of infections of polio actually become paralytic. It was not the massive killer you make it out to be and the cases of paralysis were not rampant until the 1950's. And if you are concerned about paralytic disease, you should know that in 1994 it was reported to VAERS that three children developed paralytic disease after recieving the HiB vaccine. The effectiveness of the Hib vaccine was called into question by a study in the 1988 Journal of the American Medical Association which found that 41% of cases of HiB occurred in children who were vaccinated for the disease. Diseases like HiB do go through boom and bust cycles. It seems possible that the CDC took advantage of a bust year to introduce the shot. I am leaving this discussion now. I believe that you are afraid of what you will find if you search out the other side, mogulrunin, as are many people. I understand. I didn't want to give up the Jonas Salk fairytale I had been told as a child either. You have my sympathy, you truly do. I know it seems scary to leave behind the "security blanket" of vaccines, but they are not healthy, 100% effective, and they do cause damage. You can prevent and fight these diseases with good health, sanitary living conditions, and herbal medicine. Homeopathic prophylaxis has had great success in treating children during polio and meningitis epidemics (see 1987 study on pertussin 30 c, 1975 study from the Journal of the American Institute of Homeopathy on meningitis in Brazil, and a study from the 1950's published in the 1961 Journal of the American Institute of Homeopathy on the use of Lathyrus during the polio epidemic.) Let go! You don't have to be afraid.

To add to what theflemishgiant said concerning pertussis.......Here's are many news reports & studies exploding the whooping cough vaccine myth from Ron Paul's Daily Paul>>>>>>>> http://www.dailypaul.com/167931/a-collection-of-mainstream-news-reports-and-studies-exploding-the-whooping-cough-vaccine-myth

mogulrunnin -- if you actually think that thimerosal was taken out of all of the vaccines (except flu) then you are farther gone that I thought. Thimerosal is still used in all vaccines as a preservative. Aside from the trace amounts in all vaccines except for live virus vaccines, 25mcg is still used in the combination shot Menomune and you are right, 25 mcg is used in the Flu shot. The EPA maximum safety limit is 5mcg. Do you call those particular vaccines safe if the EPA safety limit is 5mcg?!

It does seem that many of those so deeply opposed to vaccination may be vegetarian or perhaps even vegan, which is perfectly fine, there are times that my diet falls mainly in line with that way of thinking as well. What I have found however over many years is that for the most part most vegetarian/vegan (and the many other new world versions) become almost militant about what they eat and believe. If you ask a vegetarian/vegan to dinner they will most likely remind you of their diet and demand you have a meal especially for them, yet if they invite you to dinner and you mention that you eat meat and ask that they have a steak for you, they will in most cases suggest you don’t come to their home….’mogulrunnin’ made a very good comment, most of the ‘read the proof’ websites are set up solely to be against ‘vaccination’ may also contain warnings about the NWO, how we are being duped by this or that organisation or political party, all very emotional. While there are reactions to vaccines when it is considered the number or reactions to the number of vaccinations they are rare. And because of vaccinations we no longer see the horrifying effects of so many of the diseases that killed and disfigured so many people. To know the truth about the subject you must read with an OPEN mind BOTH sides or the subject you are looking at and identify who is providing the information you are reading. There seems to be many closed minds when it comes to this subject.

mogulrunnin, you are quick to criticize the credible sites & sources we send you as inadequate in saying............."There are so many cautions to "do your own research", but I think this implies go to the websites that are against vaccines and read the anecdotal and emotional words written by people who care deeply about the subject."........You are going to dismiss all the many child victims as anecdotal & emotional? How sad & unfair........Especially when it's clear you do not even research evidence & fact people send you as I did point out.......You should do the right thing & step out of this discussion in all honesty, now, since it's clear you are not willing to do the research........You can't comment on what you don't know if you won't look at it.....You say........"True research removes emotion from the equation."........WOW!........So we are to pretend all the myriads of child victims, through the years & their families don't exist?........You then go on to say........"There are so many studies from good people that show there is no connection, and people just say they are tainted by the industry or government. They can't all be tainted."........Really?........Where are they & where have you been?........The main study people have been going by & buying into claiming no connection between vaccines & autism is discredited & the lead scientist/researcher was just indicted........The orchestrated witch hunt against Wakefield in which media was complicit & quick with in running with the lies but nary a word about the real criminal in this saga........How's that for justice & fair reporting?........If you had looked at that CBS link I sent you with the all the explosive information, including the ((((OPEN LETTER TO MEDIA & ELECTED OFFICIALS)))) & all that content, if you were really paying attention, you would know a whole heck of a lot more than you do including that studies behind vaccines are fraud & the true ones have been ignored & stifled but they are out there........I have 28 I will post later for the review of those interested........I am soon to send with them rock solid proof to back up all I'm saying that will convince anyone paying attention who is actually looking for truth as soon as I can get to it all........Proof concerning the bogus studies & the vindication of our good doctor Wakefield that cannot be denied, any longer.......I just want to be sure to clear up the dis-information being posted here as it comes up, first.......I asked you to look up the faked studies & such but I'm pretty sure you didn't, mogulrunnin........You say........"I know some of the people doing the research, they are good, honest people, and if they find true, good, honest data that link vaccines and autism, they will shout it to the whole world"........Really?.......Who would these people be, mogulrunnin?........Your computing how many children are saved by vaccines & all else you parroted, the way you did, is not warranted or possible to know & you did not even site any sources as you quoted stats & you criticize us concerning sites we use?........And for the record, one has to look past the websites to look within at the content, sites & sources used.......Websites are many times like a good book you shouldn't judge by it's cover.

You're all nuts.

To add to what theflemishgiant said>>>>>>>" I didn't want to give up the Jonas Salk fairytale I had been told as a child either"........Here's a shocker>>>>>>>"Dr. Jonas Salk, inventor of polio vaccine, exposed as criminal-minded scientist who conducted illicit medical experiments on mental patients http://www.naturalnews.com/031564_Jonas_Salk_medical_experiments.html Maybe Dr. Salk had a change of heart later in life as he's quoted in saying>>>>>>>" "Live virus vaccines against influenza and paralytic polio, for example, may in each instance cause the disease it is intended to prevent..." Dr Jonas Salk, developer of first polio vaccine (Science 4/4/77 Abstracts)........Here's where you'll find Salk's quote along with many more wise voices who have been trying to tell us of vaccine danger meant for good but gone real bad for a very long time but were ignored & stifled until now>>>>>>>"DOCTORS AND SCIENTISTS CONDEMN VACCINATION".........http://www.vaclib.org/sites/debate/web3.html~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Because of media's complicity in the cover up, we are very late getting to saving our children.........Proof of media's hand in this will be made clear here, too, for those not willing to check out the CBS post in depth........Everyone should pay attention to>>>http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20049118-10391695.htm...Including the last several comments but if that's too much I will be covering the main points & even more than what's been revealed at the CBS Investigates link, here, tonight or maybe tomorrow, depending on what comes up that may take priority. But, I WILL BE BACK...Love, Marsha

wmguymon said... "You're all nuts.".......I wonder if you mean those of us burying deception in truth as being nuts, wmguymon?.......Whoever you mean, in case you're including those who beLIEve in vaccines, too, this site does not allow personal attacks.......In case it's us telling it like it is that you don't like or are angry at, I'd like to tell you>>>You can't beat truth because the good that God is will not allow evil to go on where his good children are involved & ask for assistance...ESPECIALLY in the great numbers we are.......Amen

I have yet to see a response from those who are against vaccinations addressing the First Presidency's statement urging us to immunize our children that I shared earlier. Many of you cite sources and studies going as far back as the 1950's. What about the article in the July 1978 Liahona where we are urged to immunize our children? There are many of you that are against vaccination that have done quite a lot of investigating. Have any of you typed immunize into the search box on LDS.org? The article below is the first link on the list. "Immunize Children, Leaders Urge" http://lds.org/liahona/1978/07/immunize-children-leaders-urge?lang=eng&query=immunize

An in-depth discussion of that precise topic occurred a year-and-a-half ago. In the above referenced search, look for the thread entitled Vaccine Infowar In Cardston Country and go to page 1. Additionally, for an in-depth discussion of the issue of missionary vaccinations along with how to deal with concerns regarding that issue in an appropriate manner, go to page 7 and then page 4.

...again, that search was -- using the Google search engine -- type in the phrase -- Infowars: They Want To Inject My Kid With What?!!! It should appear towards the bottom of the first page of the search -- or near the top of the second page.

mofmars333 do you beLIEve in the Church, or simply BeLIEve only what those against vaccinations say as total fact?. You see your funny little dig to those here believe differently than you do when it comes to vaccinations. Interesting, I have seen those against the Church use that way of writing ‘believe’ when they speak about members of this Church. While so many are throwing around links to this site and that, few mention the Church Website apart from 'danielle_pederson who was wise enough to so, I think that the Prophet might have a little say on what goes on here so we can take it as a good authority to follow. Let’s look together shall we.... http://lds.org/manual/duties-and-blessings-of-the-priesthood-basic-manual-for-priesthood-holders-part-b/lesson-24-maintaining-good-physical-health?lang=eng&query=immunize (A Lesson manual might be ok’d by the Prophet) ..... http://lds.org/ensign/1995/05/children-of-the-covenant?lang=eng&query=immunize this is Elder Nelson, should we believe him because he is an Apostle of God or not believe him because he is a Medical Practitioner and 'fooled' by 'Big Pharm'? You can’t have your cake and eat it to, you either follow the teaching and example of the Leaders of the Church while praying for a Testimony, or you decide you don't, but you can't decide you will follow this but not that because you don’t believe in it….. Do vaccinations sometimes have reactions with some people which at times can be devastating? YES, even the companies that make them and the doctors that give them will tell you that. Have vaccinations saved more lives than they have taken? YES, that is a pure and simple fact. While so many against vaccines tell everyone that is for them to stop being fooled read this or that website to see the truth, they seem so blind themselves to any opinion other than theirs, because any discussion about the benefits of vaccination is shot down as ‘lies damn lies’, and untruths. So I ask where are their 'open minds' on the subject?

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I'm very tired, fooruku, & I'm not here to argue with you. I am here to help save children from further harm. Truth is truth & the good Lord wants it told. I love God as you do so case closed on that. As I said I am very tired & I hadn't planned on even posting here any more tonight but this video just came to my attention from Marcella Piper-Terry & I wanted to share>>>>>>>>"MAX, Here's Your Sign." in Evansville, Indiana........http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMNg-y6SdA4&feature=related........Max would have been 2 had he lived on August 4th the day the Sign project began........It's a long story that's sincerely spiritual & I will tell how it was miraculously born later...I promise this comes from the good that God is as you will see if you open your mind & heart........This is a global project which is the Lord's plan & funding is rolling in faster than we can get the billboards up.........For those who have Face Book accounts these signs are awesome>>>>>>>>https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.2266780476839.135806.1468367643

When the General Authorities of the church speak, we should listen. BUT we are also taught to pray about those words spoken and continue to recieve revelation for ourselves of those words spoken. We are not part of a "cult", we have leaders, but those leaders are not in place to control every aspect of our lives and make our choices for us. We are each unique, they cannot 'command' us to do something that can potentially harm people, it is our choice. We are ultimately responsible for ourselves and the choices we make. These are "recommendations" for the general population of the church, not commandments. They are men of God, but they are still "men" and not without error. Do I think the world should just stop vaccinating?, I don't know, I don't really care what the rest of you do, it is your life experience. What I do know, is people should pray about the decision (which is more important than any info you will read), follow your feelings (promptings), and vaccines should be undergoing numerous studies that are performed by a completely unbiased research group (if there is such a thing) The gospel is what it is as a WHOLE, when you start tearing it apart statement by statement made, it reminds me of bible bashing... there is never a winner.

As to GA's talking about/recommending vaccination. This article comes to mind: http://en.fairmormon.org/Joseph_Smith/Moon_inhabited Joseph Smith talked about men on the moon as modern science at the time told him. As FAIR concludes... "Like the authors of the Bible, modern prophets are generally beholden to their era's scientific concepts, except where corrections in those concepts are needed to permit the gospel to be understood and applied. This does not mean, however, that prophets of any era do not receive revelation about matters of eternal significance." And so I see it with the vaccination debate. I believe mainstream medical science will eventually come around to the fact that vaccination is just as harmful as other old practices such as bleeding patients, radiation baths, prenatal X-rays, Scopolamine (a psychotropic drug used to help women deliver babies throughout the first half of the 20th century), etc. We never received official statements from the Church about how harmful any of those practices were and I’d bet someone could even dig up support from various GA’s about those practices at the time. God gives us agency and the ability to receive revelation about personal matters.

Thank you so much shanny & quadra9 for adding your wise voices. I prayed for a good answer for this important matter & here you both are. ^smile^

Truth stands, abundantly & undeniably, with myriads of parents & activists trying to tell you & the whole world about the vaccine cover up...You would not believe how many prominent people, health care workers, nurses &, especially, doctors who stand with us, there are...Among them is one hero doctor that sacrificed his career to help save our children...He knew full well what could happen but this noble man loved children above money or self, God Bless him & all else who work for the good of God for His children...Amen........It's time every one in the dark or duped concerning what actually is behind what, actually, happened to the good Dr. Andrew Wakefield learn the real truth...And I call Andrew doctor because the criminal act of stripping him of his license should never had been allowed to happen in the first place...Much of what I'm revealing here was at the CBS Investigates link where a brave & honest reporter, Sharyl Attkisson, wrote an explosive article that was one of many bombs that have been going off & blowing the deception & cover up right out of the water>>> http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20049118-10391695.htm... Sharyl's report is about, Helen Ratajczak who is a former senior scientist at a pharmaceutical firm... One astonishing fact exposed is with Dr. Brian Strom, who's served on the Institute of Medicine panels advising the government on vaccine safety who admits he doesn't even know the ingredients in vaccines...UNBELIEVABLE!...He admits he doesn't even know what's in them when confronted about the human DNA...It's not just that many feel it's immoral, ((((ABORTIONS)))), but probably is, as this honest & concerned scientist says, DANGEROUS!...Not that human DNA, is the only ingredient, or thimerosal or aluminum, we have to worry about in vaccines as you can well see, here, where you need to scroll down to see the list>>> http://www.vaclib.org/basic/vacingredient.htm........ Thank God many Mothers had & have the instinct not to allow these toxins in the bodies of their children...Common sense should dominate in knowing putting these toxins in our bodies is not a good thing & boy have we paid with the many epidemics we now have to deal with...For those who may have not seen the post I sent on the epidemics vaccines are responsible for, scroll back to 12:33 PM on Aug 11, 2011, here... Another, most, interesting paragraph in Sharyl's article that has to make one think of the good doctor, Wakefield, who was framed in the orchestrated witch hunt against him is; "A number of independent scientists have said they've been subjected to orchestrated campaigns to discredit them when their research exposed vaccine safety issues, especially if it veered into the topic of autism. We asked Ratajczak how she came to research the controversial topic. She told us that for years while working in the pharmaceutical industry, she was restricted as to what she was allowed to publish. "I'm retired now," she told CBS News. "I can write what I want." Media was quick to follow suit with full scale coverage of said witch hunt, helping smear his good name & dragging it through the mud, with parroted lies of deception. But nary a word reported on the real criminal, Poul Thorsen who was recently indicted for stealing research money from the CDC. Thorsen was head researcher/scientist behind the Danish studies claiming no link between vaccines & autism. Those Danish studies were the main determination & gospel that vaccines & autism had no connection. I should call in what it is & not autism but>>>VACCINE DAMAGE! BRAIN DAMAGE! VACCINE DEATH!........ Someone here said in so many words that "it's not possible for studies backing vaccines to all be fraudulent." Why not?...Did that person even look up, faked studies and paid doctors to put their names on them, OR, peer review?...To see the huge mass of articles proving beyond a shadow of doubt the criminal activity behind this artocity?...Probably not>>> "Scientists credited on ghostwritten articles 'should be charged with fraud'/Legal experts call for severe sanctions against scientists who 'guest author' papers written by drugs companies/No longer possible to believe most clinical research published”>>> http://ethicalnag.org/2009/11/09/nejm-editor/........ We have been so brainwashed & conditioned to beLIEve what we've been fed that some of us are not even capable or able to look at the overwhelming & undeniable evidence so proper research can be done...>>>>>>>"Drug Giant Merck – “Destroy” Critical Doctors “Where They Live”>>> http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/2009/10/12/merckdestroydoccritics/....... "Court evidence now available on-line at the University of California library shows drug giant Merck systematically targeted “hit-lists” of doctors to discredit, neutralise or destroy critics of the safety and effectiveness of Merck’s drugs. You can read the documents yourself........" Remember back when doctors teamed with the tobacco industry to help lie to us? How long & deep did that go before truth was spread enough to make the difference that brought people out of the dark?........To be continued

Before moving on to other important ground let's set the record straight by exposing the lies against Dr. Wakefield...As for the lie stating his studies were never replicated...Here are those 28 studies I told you I'd show you...This source I just copied those studies from, some, people try to discredit but it's a very good, reliable & dependable web site when it comes to vaccine truth...Whether it's web sites, blogs or videos, we can't discount some of these sources because it's the content that counts...That's one of the tricks used by those who wish to dupe us & those they have duped who, unwittingly, parrot the spin & lies...They attack the sources we use encouraging people not to even look...The content this cite used, at the following link, leads to another doctor's site who is held in high esteem by most people & attacked viciously by a some bad people dedicated to those who wish him discredited because they have vested interests...Here's Dr. Mercola interviewing the good doctor Wakefield>>>http://www.whale.to/vaccine/mercola_wakefield.html.......Read the brief synopsis prior to what I'm copying here at that link & here's the follow up I found there with those studies>>>"For those of you who have swallowed this type of reporting hook line and sinker, here is a list of 28 studies from around the world that support Dr. Wakefield’s controversial findings: The Journal of Pediatrics November 1999; 135(5):559-63........ The Journal of Pediatrics 2000; 138(3): 366-372........ Journal of Clinical Immunology November 2003; 23(6): 504-517........ Journal of Neuroimmunology 2005........ Brain, Behavior and Immunity 1993; 7: 97-103........ Pediatric Neurology 2003; 28(4): 1-3........ Neuropsychobiology 2005; 51:77-85........ The Journal of Pediatrics May 2005;146(5):605-10........ Autism Insights 2009; 1: 1-11........ Canadian Journal of Gastroenterology February 2009; 23(2): 95-98........ Annals of Clinical Psychiatry 2009:21(3): 148-161........ Journal of Child Neurology June 29, 2009; 000:1-6........ Journal of Autism and Developmental Disorders March 2009;39(3):405-13........ Medical Hypotheses August 1998;51:133-144........ Journal of Child Neurology July 2000; ;15(7):429-35........ Lancet. 1972;2:883–884........ Journal of Autism and Childhood Schizophrenia January-March 1971;1:48-62........ Journal of Pediatrics March 2001;138:366-372........ Molecular Psychiatry 2002;7:375-382........ American Journal of Gastroenterolgy April 2004;598-605........ Journal of Clinical Immunology November 2003;23:504-517........ Neuroimmunology April 2006;173(1-2):126-34........ Prog. Neuropsychopharmacol Biol. Psychiatry December 30 2006;30:1472-1477........ Clinical Infectious Diseases September 1 2002;35(Suppl 1):S6-S16........ Applied and Environmental Microbiology, 2004;70(11):6459-6465........ Journal of Medical Microbiology October 2005;54:987-991........ Archivos venezolanos de puericultura y pediatría 2006; Vol 69 (1): 19-25........ Gastroenterology. 2005:128 (Suppl 2);Abstract-303........

I'm sorry...I wanted to stay on track with the lies against Wakefield but the following was brought to my attention & I am prompted to sadly show you this>>>"Studies Prove That Thousands Of Babies Are Dying From Vaccine Induced Cot Death"...SIDS>>> http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/205170http://www.google.com/........ Shaken Baby Syndrome can also be vaccine damage & many are in jail, unjustly...Think of it...Your baby is dead because of vaccines, you are mourning & you get accused & jailed...God Help Them All...This Dad was jailed & released years ago so they have known all along what's been going on but still the arrests go on>>>http://www.freeyurko.bizland.com/.........But truth's out, now, & attorneys are getting all their ducks in a row, I've been told by reliable source good enough for me to believe...It's understood some parents have shaken their babies to death...IMO...And this is hard for me to say because my own Granddaughter went through that long period of hellish time while her Momma rocked her & cried with her after vaccination for I don't know how long?...AND THEY CALL IT NORMAL?...It's not...It's the pain of the toxins lodging in their little bodies, organs & brains...Some parents may have not been as gentle & loving as my daughter in law was...Some may have flipped out...Think of that...Read this article till the end...It may seem this journalist only thinks these babies are being harmed by their parents...But in the end she exposes what's really happening in many cases>>>http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/108624

As for the lie that Wakefield had vested interests because he was applying for a vaccine patent, himself, that is a blatant lie...Dr. Wakefield was not trying to patent a vaccine. It is discussed in this interview of Dr. Wakefield by Connie Howard on Vue Weekly, reported March 10, 2010; http://chomskywatch.wordpress.com/2010/03/13/connie-howard-of-vue-weekly-interviews-dr-andrew-wakefield-age-of-autism/ "Concerning the allegation­s that Wakefield had been working for a company making a rival vaccine. He was involved in developing a nutritiona­l immune stimulant they hoped would clear up chronic vaccine-in­duced measles infection. But this, he says, “could in no way have competed with a live viral vaccine and was not intended for that purpose. The patent was owned by the medical school and not by me. It was never progressed­.”

Thank you, mofmars for your testimony. I will add my witness that Dr Andrew Wakefield is an honest and courageous man. If there is any question in anyone's mind about that, I would encourage them to watch some extremely interesting and revealing interviews of Dr Wakefield for yourself. The man just oozes compassion, integrity and credibility...and the information that he has put out is so important for the safety of children -- but so damning to the multibillion-dollar-vaccine industry, that Big Pharma and the main-stream press have engaged in outright criminal activity to attempt to silence and discredit him. But because of his integrity and courage -- that approach has been backfiring. You've heard what the mainstream press, the mouth-piece of the modern-day-secret-combination has had to say about him. Now you should go and listen to what he has to say for himself -- uncut, unedited and uninterrupted. Go to page 7 of the thread, Vaccine Infowar In Cardston Country, referenced above. Look for the post entitled, Vindication of Andrew Wakefield, third post down from the top of the page.

...then be sure to go a few posts further down from there and see the best interview of them all. Look for the phrase, ...most revealing interview of Dr Andrew Wakefield, yet...an absolute must-see... Dr. Andrew Wakefield In-Studio: Monumental Interview On Vaccine/Autism Cover-up, Jan 30, 2011

Thank you, too, opr, for helping to set the record straight........I still have a mountain to share, here, but I'm trying not to overwhelm the good people with piling too much, too fast, on them so I am trying to pace the many posts I need to share with everyone........I do this in hope to help raise awareness enough to stop this error & greed from harming more children........But I'm afraid as each day passes, more & more will be injured, killed or diseased somewhere up their road... Good night & see you tomorrow... Love,... Grandma Marsha

...another excerpt from some of what you will find in the above referenced search: Since neuro-specialist and brain surgeon Dr Russell Blaylock's presentation has apparently been censored, I'll share from memory a salient point or two from his extremely credible and vaccine-industry-devastating presentation. 1. As is typical with all other contagious diseases in the history of the world, the population developed natural immunity which had nothing-what-so-ever to do with the vaccine. In countries where no polio vaccine was given, the mortality and morbidity rates declined at the same rate or better than in those countries where the vaccination was given. Several other sources document this, besides Dr Blaylock. Go to page 7 of the thread, Vaccine Infowar In Cardston County: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9764&start=180 2. The polio epidemic was greatly accentuated by the DPT vaccine. Dr Blaylock, in his presentation revealed that he had discovered from his research of the data -- that the vast majority of those in the United States, who suffered death or permanent paralysis from contracting the polio virus, had been vaccinated with the DPT shot prior -- which impaired their immune systems and rendered them unable to adequately defend themselves against the polio virus, which for most healthy, non-immuno-compromised people is typically a very mild disease with no residual effects. This is one of the Vaccine Industry's dirty little secrets they want very much to be kept hidden. They count on people continuing to believe the myth -- that vaccinations saved them from the terrible monster, polio -- when in reality vaccinations had actually worsened the polio epidemic, which through the natural course of history died out despite the vaccines, not because of them...just as it did in countries where no polio vaccinations had been given. Of course Big Pharma and their powerful propaganda machine stepped in and claimed that they had saved us. Nothing could be further from the truth. It was actually God's marvelous creation, our bodies -- and the ingenius, incredible immune systems that God placed in our bodies -- that saved us...not Big Pharma's vaccines...and that principle is even further strengthened by diligently living the Spirit of all the verses contained in section 89. Although the several online versions of that presentation by Russell Blaylock, M.D. appear to no longer be available, if one has an interest, I found one place that might still have some in dvd version for about $20.00, here: http://www.radioliberty.com/vvabd.html Having seen the presentation a couple of times in the past year or so, I highly recommend it for viewing if you can possibly get your hands on it. I have no fear what-so-ever for the coming plagues that shall surely come and for which man's puny arm, including Big Pharma and their vaccines shall not stop. The great promise of the Word of Wisdom and the protective power of the Priesthood are more than good enough for me. That is where I place my trust. If others feel the need to give themselves and family members over to Big Pharma's dangerous and evil, aborted-fetal-cell (many of them) containing witch's brew, vaccines -- that is their prerogative. Unsurprisingly, thus far, that approach has been a great health blessing to our family. None of our 5 kids have allergies or the many typical health problems that so many of their vaccinated cousins do...and believe me, there is a plague of allergies and other auto-immune disorders and neurological disorders out there, due to vaccinations...due to parents and grandparents giving into the fear and buying the myth that Big Pharma, your government, the World Health Organization, the United Nations, the eugenicist elite, the modern-day-secret-combination and their mouth-piece, the main-stream media wants you to. It should be obvious that each of those I just named, very, very much want you to vaccinate. I advocate doing just the opposite. Vaccinations are a fraud and they certainly are very, very dangerous. Sadly, I know so very, very many that have been vaccine-damaged -- permanently.

so much paranoia, so few things to worry about... It's really about managing risk. With everything from food, bees, grass, pollen, etc. There are a host of things that can damage and even kill us. There is very likely meit to the argument that sometimes a child will have a reaction to a vaccine -- stuff happens. But, that risk has to be balanced against the risk that the particular [and sometime s very horrible] disease will do to your child should he get it. I'm quite certain that the overwhelming bulk of children receiving vaccinations have no adverse effects and get 100% of the benefit. I wouldn't hesitate (well didn't actually) to vaccinate a child or a grandchild... but that's me. There is a lot of paranoia on the web -- just don't get sucked in by it.

Kenny, how do you explain the massive epidemics that have taken toll, then?.......Where did all that disease come from?.......This is not the dark ages. Yet, we are worse off now...Much worse than any toll childhood vaccines could take opposed to what we have now...It's not paranoia!...You say>>>"There is a lot of paranoia on the web -- just don't get sucked in by it."...These are real people, Kenny...The web is made of real people...Yes, there's disinformation but when myriads of people are trying to tell you the same thing, it's no coincidence, it's time to listen...Discernation, Kenny...There are thousands upon thousands of children being injured, consistently, on a wide scale from mild to serious conditions directly after vaccination but many more aren't struck until years later, in most cases........That's where the epidemics that can't be denied come in, Kenny...Logic & common sense dictates...Add prayer & this will show anyone, actually, looking for the truth...You did see my post proving this fact of how massive the epidemics are back in this thread at 12:33 PM on Aug 11, 2011, didn't you?

For Kenny, too>>>>>>>>The trade off of having childhood disease that most immune systems God gave us & were well equipped to deal with disease was not worth what we got...It has evolved to what we have now & is insane........History shows it wasn't vaccines that saved us, it was sanitation & this fact CANNOT be denied when, actually, investigated...The science too many back is fraud & has been proven to those paying attention...The real science is on the side of all the victims, their families, friends & world citizens who stand with them who have been trying warn everyone of the danger & even possible death.......This is a very new project & already, over 1000 parents have replied with more signing up consistantly>>>http://followingvaccinations.com/...They are real people, Kenny...Go to sleep tonight & think of these child victims & their devastated & suffering parents & siblings....They don't get to sleep well, most of them, much of the time...They're in so much pain...Sometimes, the parents commit suicide & kill their own babies to stop the suffering...Did you realize that, Kenny?...When you think about this as you fall asleep maybe you could say a prayer for them & their families?... 1 in 100 injured & rising right in step with the vaccine increase. 1 in 58 when it comes to boys...1 in 3 with cancer...1 in 2 when it comes to men as they are shot up a lot in the Military...You say..."I'm quite certain that the overwhelming bulk of children receiving vaccinations have no adverse effects and get 100% of the benefit"........Well you're sincerely wrong & need to do the proper research, Kenny.......And those numbers are only what is reported........Most children appear to have escaped & some do......But it's the bulk that pay when you have these kind of stats, including whole familes who are victims, too...It might begin as only allergies...or rashes...or ear aches...or coughs...or consistant colds...etc...If not directly after vaccination, from mild to severe, then up the road in many cases more victims are added.

This has caused way too much contention and any contention and anger is not of God.

This has caused way too much contention and any contention and anger is not of God.

One more in reply to Kenny>>>>>>>>My own Granddaughter had her shots last August & has had scary problems ever since...Her Momma never reported this, just like many don't & the doctors won't in most cases & that's a fact...But I'm pushing my son to see her injury is reported...Me, her Grandma is one activist that is extreme on this atrocity working hard to raise awareness & my own daughter in law is stuck in the herd mentality that is destroying posterity right in front of our faces.......UNBELIEVABLE!.......Both my Granddaughters had reactions & still, their Mother beLIEved in vaccines...The oldest developed serious food allergies right after her baby shots & even I didn't make the connection back then...Just like many don't.......To this day she has to be careful what she eats & has spent way more time in the bathroom than any little girl should...She seems okay now...I worry what the future holds for them later in their lives?...And their older half sister, too, has had a serious condition but I'm not qualified to say if vaccines played into it or not even though I suspect they did from what I've researched & have been told has happened to others with this same medical problem...She's had an operation, hopefully, that fixed it...I pray a lot for them all & every other child on this planet...Our problems are minor compared to most... The youngest after that crying spree of pain after her baby shots that most babies go through...She was behind a few years & didn't walk or talk according to the average milestones expected for children...In my heart, I always knew why but even my son was in denial back then, too...Our little one didn't feel good after her shots last August...She was given them so she could go to school, even though her Dad had filed a waiver...Her Momma snuck her off because her new husband's parents, who are retired from the Cleveland Clinic, said it would be safe & boy is she sorry for beLIEving them now...She hasn't told me so but by now she has to know because there's no denying the facts now...Eleven days after the shots our little one had a bad headache & began throwing up...The vomiting stopped but the headaches stayed a few days & she still complains now & then & now her eye hurts, too...Ear aches, cough, flu symptoms, rashes all the time, pink eye & this is the kicker & has happened at least several times that I recall...The first time after that first vomiting incident...She says her head hurts & her eyes feel like they're crossing...She has to make a mean face & hold it, squinting her eyes, to block this awful sensation that frustrates her so...I called her Momma & told her she had to take her to the doctor & get this reported...She was, last week, diagnosed with allergies...Now does that sound like allergies?...NO!...It sounds like a neurological problem & I'm no doctor but even I know that...Stupid doctors...Or maybe evil in some cases?...Yes!...In many cases, it seems from reports we hear they choose greed in love for money over children...They have to be evil because by now, most of them have to know the truth...If the bad guys, (pHARMs & their partners in crime) thought I, WE, have been thorns in their sides all these past several years as angry parents & activists...They'd better watch out now because there may be a new warrior Mommy on the rise in my family as they are popping up across the globe as awareness spreads like a good virus resulting from living nightmares many have been stuck in...If it took my own Granddaughter to show her Momma how little children are becoming victims then so be it...But it's one hell of a way to become a Mommy Warrior, especially, since this Grandma gave her all the documents & articles that she could have studied...Too late...Damage done & it just goes to show how hard it is to break through the brainwashing we have all been through...I just hope & pray she grows out of it & won't suffer the same fate later so many adults do.

This just came to my attention>>>"New Scientific Review Links Autism to Use of Vaccines"........ http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/08/13/new-scientific-review-shows-vaccines-and-autism-are-linked.aspx?e_cid=20110813_DNL_art_3 Next, I will post all the rest of the undeniable fact & evidence that proves Dr. Andrew Wakefield was framed but vindicated.......Big time vidicated!

I have three boys and with each one I prayed about whether or not I should give them vaccinations. Also, I prayed about each vaccination separately. With each child I got a definite "no". I know that as parents we have the right to pray and receive guidance regarding anything that enters our child's body. Our Heavenly Father loves us and wants us to ask him for guidance. I love the scripture that talks about not putting our trust in man...but in God, who created all; on the earth beneath and in the heavens above. It's not for us to tell each other what or what not to do...we all have the right to receive our own answers through prayer. I do know though that Satan and "his works" are very much present on this earth today and we need to be aware of it.

I'm a pharmacy technician and have a wide variety of credible sources to go to for information when researching this stuff. As a pharmacy technician I can honestly say that I in no way trust the vaccines. Here is some information that may be useful to some in making the decision for themselves. RV – POLYSORBATE 80, SODIUM HYDROXIDE, SODIUM PHOSPHATE DTAP – ALUMINUM, FORMALDEHYDE, LATEX HIB – TETANUS (ALUMINUM IN MERCK) PCV13 – ALUMINUM PHOSPHATE, FORMALEDHYDE, GLUTARAL, NEOMYCIN, PHENOXYETHANOL, POLYMIXIN B SULFATE, POLYSORBATE 80 IPV – FORMALDEHYDE, NEOMYCIN, PHENOXYETHANOL, POLYMIXIN B, M-199 (CONTAINS MORE POLYSORBATE 80), STREPTOMYCIN These are the shots and some of their ingredients that most of the babies get in their regularly scheduled immunizations. All you have to do is google search these ingredients to find out that what you've been putting in your babies is awful. When I finally did the research after my second child was born, it made me sick that I ever vaccinated to begin with. Aluminum is one of the worst ingredients in these because it's such an awful neurotoxin. It could be a massive contributor to autism and Alzheimer's. The day the baby is born they give it a toxic dose of aluminum according to the FDA's safe level of exposure (4mg per kg of body weight). And when getting multiple vaccines like most kids do in their pediatrician's office, depending on the manufacturer of the vaccines, sometimes kids are getting anywhere from 3X to 50X the FDA's limit. It's no wonder that immediately after vaccinating some babies become autistic and others don't (different manufacturers put different amounts of these toxins so some kids may not get near as much as others). Do your research please! POLYSORBATE 80 http://www.novaccine.com/vaccine-ingredients/results.asp?sc=19 SODIUM HYDROXIDE http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/002487.htm SODIUM PHOSPHATE http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_phosphates PHENOXYETHANOL http://msds.chem.ox.ac.uk/PH/2-phenoxyethanol.html http://www.novaccine.com/vaccine-ingredients/results.asp?sc=17 ALUMINUM http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11259180 http://www.novaccine.com/vaccine-ingredients/results.asp?sc=91 ALUMINUM PHOSPHATE http://www.novaccine.com/vaccine-ingredients/results.asp?sc=44 FORMALDEHYDE http://www.novaccine.com/vaccine-ingredients/results.asp?sc=7 GLUTARAL http://www.novaccine.com/vaccine-ingredients/results.asp?sc=9 NEOMYCIN http://www.novaccine.com/vaccine-ingredients/results.asp?sc=15 POLYMYXIN B SULFATE http://www.novaccine.com/vaccine-ingredients/results.asp?sc=18 STREPTOMYCIN SULFATE http://www.novaccine.com/vaccine-ingredients/results.asp?sc=25 Also check out http://vaers.hhs.gov/data/data/ to see what types of reactions have been seen in others according to our own governments reporting system.

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I'm a pharmacy technician and have a wide variety of credible sources to go to for information when researching this stuff. As a pharmacy technician I can honestly say that I in no way trust the vaccines. Here is some information that may be useful to some in making the decision for themselves. RV – POLYSORBATE 80, SODIUM HYDROXIDE, SODIUM PHOSPHATE DTAP – ALUMINUM, FORMALDEHYDE, LATEX HIB – TETANUS (ALUMINUM IN MERCK) PCV13 – ALUMINUM PHOSPHATE, FORMALEDHYDE, GLUTARAL, NEOMYCIN, PHENOXYETHANOL, POLYMIXIN B SULFATE, POLYSORBATE 80 IPV – FORMALDEHYDE, NEOMYCIN, PHENOXYETHANOL, POLYMIXIN B, M-199 (CONTAINS MORE POLYSORBATE 80), STREPTOMYCIN These are the shots and some of their ingredients that most of the babies get in their regularly scheduled immunizations. All you have to do is google search these ingredients to find out that what you've been putting in your babies is awful. When I finally did the research after my second child was born, it made me sick that I ever vaccinated to begin with. Aluminum is one of the worst ingredients in these because it's such an awful neurotoxin. It could be a massive contributor to autism and Alzheimer's. The day the baby is born they give it a toxic dose of aluminum according to the FDA's safe level of exposure (4mg per kg of body weight). And when getting multiple vaccines like most kids do in their pediatrician's office, depending on the manufacturer of the vaccines, sometimes kids are getting anywhere from 3X to 50X the FDA's limit. It's no wonder that immediately after vaccinating some babies become autistic and others don't (different manufacturers put different amounts of these toxins so some kids may not get near as much as others). Do your research please! POLYSORBATE 80 http://www.novaccine.com/vaccine-ingredients/results.asp?sc=19 SODIUM HYDROXIDE http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/002487.htm SODIUM PHOSPHATE http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_phosphates PHENOXYETHANOL http://msds.chem.ox.ac.uk/PH/2-phenoxyethanol.html http://www.novaccine.com/vaccine-ingredients/results.asp?sc=17 ALUMINUM http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11259180 http://www.novaccine.com/vaccine-ingredients/results.asp?sc=91 ALUMINUM PHOSPHATE http://www.novaccine.com/vaccine-ingredients/results.asp?sc=44 FORMALDEHYDE http://www.novaccine.com/vaccine-ingredients/results.asp?sc=7 GLUTARAL http://www.novaccine.com/vaccine-ingredients/results.asp?sc=9 NEOMYCIN http://www.novaccine.com/vaccine-ingredients/results.asp?sc=15 POLYMYXIN B SULFATE http://www.novaccine.com/vaccine-ingredients/results.asp?sc=18 STREPTOMYCIN SULFATE http://www.novaccine.com/vaccine-ingredients/results.asp?sc=25 Also check out http://vaers.hhs.gov/data/data/ to see what types of reactions have been seen in others according to our own governments reporting system. Hopefully this one is easier to read.

Many pharmacists are with us & waking each other up as time goes on...I meet them in the many groups I work in as an activist....I met one at my own pharmacy that educated me quite a bit & maybe saved my life, actually...Thank you so much for your confirmation, pharmtech...I'm pretty sure many here but silent thank you, too. God's children recognize truth when they hear it, I've been told & I believe it. ^smile^

I went to high school in the late 50s, so I had an opportunity to see the pro/con actions. My best friend's parents did not believe in vaccinations. His freshman year he got polio, never to walk again, you would see him playing his trumpet in the orchestra. He was never able to march in the parade. I think the "new generation" has not seen the true results of their negative opinions of vaccinations until it happens to them or those around them.

For those of you doubters, I recalled a confernece talk by Pres. Hinckley in which he called vaccinations a blessing from Heaven that have made life in our day better. They are one of the reasons that we are blessed to live in the Latter-days. God did save some of the benifits of His creation and inspiration for the last days. When I went to look up a citation for the talk I remembered, I came up with several talks mentioning vaccines as a blessing given to make our lives better given by many of the Apostles and Pres. Monson in addition to the one I remembered. Look them up at http://lds.org/search?lang=eng&collection=general-conference&query=vaccine I can not belive that the Lord would allow His special witnesses to repeatedly endorse vaccines if there was something seriously worng with them the way some of you critics say.

Let's stray from the truth concerning Andrew Wakefield I promised to reveal more of for a moment, again...Pharmacists standing with us & their numbers rising brought something else to my attention...I'm very glad to get to tell you there's a new breed of doctors coming up...And they will not be led astray as this passing generation has been due to error but mainly greed...They will team with our younger people, tens of thousands of us from the older generations raised in truth...We are many & from the so called left, right & center & from many differing beliefs, too...Tricks of the past like allowing politics & religion divide us will be no more...Meaning the poisoning of God's children & our planet by air, food & water will be stopped & that includes the barbaric practice of vaccines...Our new breed of doctors will not beLIEve in vaccines...They are an assault to our bodies & an insult to God in the belief of tens of thousands & God is telling us to tell you so...Proof of this new breed>>>"Harvard Medical School in Ethics Quandary">>> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/03/business/03medschool.html........"Harvard members of the American Medical Student Association, object to the influence of drug companies in the school’s educational curriculum."

More proof of the new breed of good doctors coming up>>>>>>>>"Med Schools Pressed To Cut Drug-Firm Ties">>> http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=102015719 "Financial dealings and gift-giving between drug companies and doctors are nothing new. But they're getting a lot more attention these days."

More>>>>>>>> Harvard Medical Students Rebel Against Big Pharma Ties http://www.ahrp.org/cms/content/view/523/9/

Harvard Medical Students are rebelling & demanding Pharma Ties...Students are confronting the administration demanding an end to pharmaceutical industry influence in the classroom, too......."The students say they worry that pharmaceutical industry scandals in recent years - including some criminal convictions, billions of dollars in fines, proof of bias in research and publishing and false marketing claims - have cast a bad light on the medical profession. And they criticize Harvard as being less vigilant than other leading medical schools in monitoring potential financial conflicts by faculty members." See those links

One more on this matter among many urgent & important issues connected to the vaccine cover up>>>"Top 6 Thugs of the Medical World, How Big Pharma Steals and Swindles">>>>>>>> http://healthfreedoms.org/2011/01/09/top-6-thugs-of-the-medical-world-how-big-pharma-steals-and-swindles/

jeanneannbates it is unfortunate for those who have had polio...It is rare...But the other side of the coin to the myth behind Polio needs your investigation...Not that it did not or does not exist...But it is over blown & was gone into in detail right here in this thread...People who love all children have left the tools here for you to do the proper research...Please review what's been said here for the sake of all children & past mistakes...Our case is well proven for anyone who wants to see...The definition of insanity is to keep making the same mistakes, expecting a different turn out...We are the most vaccinated & sickest nations...We are at a turning point & it's time for all God's good children to pay close attention & speak out to help raise awareness to Kingdom Come...

And lb35, you say>>>>>>"I can not belive that the Lord would allow His special witnesses to repeatedly endorse vaccines if there was something seriously worng with them the way some of you critics say.">>>In fact of reality, God did not...Man did...All men no matter who, even great prophets, are prone to mistakes & good people here have pointed that out already.

I have had the priveledge of meeting DR. Wakefield, who actually is a wonderful man and USES HIS REAL NAME no matter what type of backlash he uses. He cares about children, and what is happening to the point that he lost his license to SPEAK TRUTH. Do I believe with all he says not all of it, just like I do not agree with everything my PCP says. Take it look at it and evaluate it for your self and your family. I NEVER WOULD HAVE BELIEVED IT EITHER.......UNTIL IT HAPPENEND TO OUR CHILD!!!!! I also believe that our daughters auto immune specialist is a bit more educated in this matter than "DR. BROUD" and he agrees that vaccines caused damage to our daughter. YES INCLUDING AUTISM, her immune system is forever compromised. I wish I could take all her vaccines back but sadly I was just listening to and following our peditricians advice, and it cost our daughter a steep price!

Investigating Viruses in Cells Used to Make Vaccines; and Evaluating the Potential Threat Posed by Transmission of Viruses to Humans http://www.fda.gov/biologicsbloodvaccines/scienceresearch/biologicsresearchareas/ucm127327.htm CDC Admits cell substrates, and emerging infectious diseases Pass from Animals to Humans http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/eid/vol7no3_supp/krause.htm CDC Listing of Vaccine Ingredients http://www.cdc.gov/vaccine​s/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/​appendices/B/excipient-tab​le-2.pdf Flu Vaccines and the Risk of Cancer http://www.i-sis.org.uk/fl​uVaccinesCancerRisks.php ... Institute for Vaccine Safety - Package Inserts http://hopkinsvaccine.org/​package_inserts.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wi​ki/List_of_vaccine_ingredi​ents This link actually states monkey kidney tissue, mouse brain tissue and human diploid tissue (aborted fetus) among many neurotoxins that destroy the brain. Please, for the sake of the children, please do a lot of research into the information I am posting, because too many children are dying from these vaccinations and getting cancer from these vaccines and other autoimmune diseases. We all now have cancer cells and other diseases lurking in body. What about the Word of Wisdom, to NOT put unclean poisonous toxins in our body? CLICK THIS LINK TO WATCH...Gary Null Speaking Out at the NYS Assembly Hearing | 10-13-2009 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3XlJB7J5-o (Part One) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch5OuzB9L48&feature=related (Part Two) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAgWO2yq1k8&feature=related (Part Three) http://www.informedchoice.info/cocktail.html http://www.rense.com/general59/vvac.htm http://www.mercola.com/article/vaccines/ingredients.htm Vaccine Ingredients Heavy metals like mercury and aluminum Pus form sores of diseased animals Horse Serum Calf Serum Fecal Matter Macerated Cancer Cells Sweepings from diseased children Other Vaccine Ingredients: Formaldehyde (a carcinogen) - used in embalming fluids Phenol (also a carcinogen) - may cause paralysis, convulsions, coma, and necrosis and gangrene Lactalbumin hydrolysate - emulsifier Aluminum phosphate - aluminum salt which is corrosive to tissues Retro-virus (SV-40) - contaminant virus of some polio vaccines Antibiotics - (i.e., neomycin tm) for infection Chick Embryo - growth medium for virus Sodium Phosphate - a buffering salt Foreign animal tissues containing genetic material (DNA/RNA) - from growth medium MORE INFORMATION ON THE INGREDIENTS IN VACCINES - I work full-time and take care of my Father. I will find and send you more, if you would like me to. Please let me know. God Bless, Gail Fitches INFORMED CHOICE - Cocktail - http://www.informedchoice.info/cocktail.html Vaccine Ingredients and Side Effects http://www.knowvaccines.com/vaccineingredients.htm WAVE - Vaccine Ingredients http://www.novaccine.com/vaccine-ingredients/ Vaccine Ingredients http://www.vaccination.inoz.com/ingredie.html ThinkTwice Global Vaccine Institute: Avoid Vaccine Reactions http://www.thinktwice.com/ CDC Listing of Vaccine Ingredients http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/B/excipient-table-2.pdf Flu Vaccines and the Risk of Cancer http://www.i-sis.org.uk/fluVaccinesCancerRisks.php Institute for Vaccine Safety - Package Inserts http://hopkinsvaccine.org/package_inserts.htm Research - Is There a Toxin-Virus-Cancer Connection? | Vaccine Blogs http://vaccineblogs.com/research-is-there-a-toxin-virus-cancer-connection/ Vaccines and Production of Negative Genetic Changes in Humans http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/salud/esp_salud33y.htm Where you can download vaccine inserts: Institute for Vaccine Safety - Package Inserts http://hopkinsvaccine.org/package_inserts.htm

I remember a play called Saturday's Warrior, where there was a song, "Zero population is the answer my friend." In this play, they were warning about the insanity of some people regarding population control. These vaccines not only carry diseases, but the animals and the aborted fetuses they grow the viruses in, are causing far more diseases in us than what the vaccines would prevent. There are also agents in these vaccines that sterilize people, so they will not have children. They are also forcing genetically modified food on us. John P. Holdren is our Science and Technology Czar that is in white house. He wanted to sterilze people through the water, food, etc., back in the 70s. Michael Taylor is our Food Safety Czar, who was the attorney for Monsanto, and they are feeding us foods to sterilize the population, that also causes cancer. If people do the research, big chemical and big pharmaceutical work hand in hand together. These are the last days, and I cannot figure out why people would be denial there is such evil out there, that we are being systematically killed. It is a slow kill, but we are being poisoned, and they are changing our DNA and RNA. If Merck were chief Architects on a job-site, they'd have been fired & sued into the ground a long time ago. Viral cross contamination & long-term cancer do not sit well with the human body. Measles, Mumps, Rubella vaccine package insert: ‘M-M-R II has not been evaluated for carcinogenic or mutagenic potential, or potential to impair fertility.' http://www.merck.com/product/u​sa/pi_circulars/m/mmr_ii/mmr_i​i_pi.pdf Please consider this as current or potential parents.

Vaccines - WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/recs/schedules/downloads/child/7-18yrs-schedule-pr.pdf http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/recs/schedules/downloads/child/0-6yrs-schedule-pr.pdf http://vaccineresistancemovement.org/?p=1880 http://vaccineresistancemovement.org/?p=6880 Research on the H1N1 Virus/Bacterium hybrid for bioweaponry purposes traces back to a little known Rockefeller funded project. During 1942 the Rockefeller Institute for Medical Research, centered in Princeton, New Jersey, undertook a major ...study titled ‘Synergistic Action Of Hemophilus Influenzae Suis And The Swine influenza Virus On The Chick Embryo’ led by Frederik B. Bang, M.D. through the Department of Animal and Plant Pathology. The darker implications of their discovery, the harnessing of animal-human live viruses & bacterium for bio-weaponry purposes (H1N1 Swine flu + H1N2 Swine flu + H5N1 Bird flu + H3N2 Human flu + Bacteria = Pandemic) cannot be ignored given the Rockefeller history of involvement in the eugenics movement; suggesting more than just a benign generosity of enlightened philanthropists at work. “We have found that the combined infection of embryos with swine influenza virus and H. infl~nzae suis produces a highly lethal infection, while neither one alone kills many embryos. Infection with the virus allows the Hemophilus to persist longer than it does in normal embryos. Finally the combined infection has a selective destructive effect on the embryo lungs.” Frederik B. Bang, M.D/1942 Summary: ‘The synergistic effect of Hemophilus influenzae suis and swine influenza virus in the pig can be reproduced by the inoculation of these agents on the chorioallantoic membrane of 9 to 10 day old chick embryos. Two strains of human influenza virus that were studied failed to substitute for the swine virus in the synergistic reaction. No loss of synergistic effect was noted when the swine influenza virus was put through 11 chick embryo passages. Recently isolated and old stock strains of Hemophilus were equally able to enhance the effect of the virus. Heat-killed cultures of H. influenzae suis can be substituted for the bacterial component of the reaction. Infection of the embryo with swine influenza virus predisposes to infection with H. influenzae suis. The combination of H. influenzae suis and swine influenza virus causes a selective destruction of the embryo lungs, not produced by the individual components. This pneumonia exhibits the essential features of the natural disease.’ The Rockefeller Foundation recently published “Scenarios for the Future of Technology and International Development’; an in depth examination of society under various degrees/types of dictatorial ‘governance’ - the implications that, given a total societal collapse, humans would willingly relinquish their already limited freedoms in exchange for manageable order; a grave reminder of how the so called ‘useless eaters’ or ‘bottom feeders’ are perceived by the elites, as essentially passive & malleable, subject to conditioning on a flowchart. The Rockefeller vision, a dystopic clinical analysis of human behavior in response to a major pandemic leaves little doubt as to the ultimate purpose behind the veil of misguided over-reaching philanthropy. Excerpt from study: Scenario Narratives: LOCK STEP – A world of tighter top-down government control and more authoritarian leadership, with limited innovation and growing citizen pushback: In 2012, the pandemic that the world had been anticipating for years finally hit. Unlike 2009’s H1N1, this new influenza strain — originating from wild geese — was extremely virulent and deadly. Even the most pandemic-prepared nations were quickly overwhelmed when the virus streaked around the world, infecting nearly 20 percent of the global population and killing 8 million in just seven months, the majority of them healthy young adults. VRM: The Rockefeller Foundation Drafts A Post-Pandemic Scenario http://vaccineresistancemovement.org/?p=5102 VRM: Medical Industry Studies Prove Influenza Vaccine Is Both Dangerous & Ineffective http://vaccineresistancemovement.org/?p=7061 MORE INFORMATION ON THE INGREDIENTS IN VACCINES INFORMED CHOICE - Cocktail - http://www.informedchoice.info/cocktail.html Vaccine Ingredients and Side Effects http://www.knowvaccines.com/vaccineingredients.htm WAVE - Vaccine Ingredients http://www.novaccine.com/vaccine-ingredients/ Vaccine Ingredients http://www.vaccination.inoz.com/ingredie.html ThinkTwice Global Vaccine Institute: Avoid Vaccine Reactions http://www.thinktwice.com/ CDC Listing of Vaccine Ingredients http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/B/excipient-table-2.pdf Flu Vaccines and the Risk of Cancer http://www.i-sis.org.uk/fluVaccinesCancerRisks.php Institute for Vaccine Safety - Package Inserts http://hopkinsvaccine.org/package_inserts.htm Research - Is There a Toxin-Virus-Cancer Connection? | Vaccine Blogs http://vaccineblogs.com/research-is-there-a-toxin-virus-cancer-connection/ Vaccines and Production of Negative Genetic Changes in Humans http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/salud/esp_salud33y.htm http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/recs/schedules/downloads/child/7-18yrs-schedule-pr.pdf http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/recs/schedules/downloads/child/0-6yrs-schedule-pr.pdf http://vaccineresistancemovement.org/?p=1880 http://vaccineresistancemovement.org/?p=6880

This is the last bit of information I am submitting on this subject. Have you wondered why so many are dying of cancer and other autoimmune diseases. I no longer do, because I wanted answers and I asked God for Guidance to the truth. If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God. I know that if you search for truth, and ask of God, you will receive the truth. I hope people copy and paste the information I posted today, and review it as you get time. Please search for truth, because it could save you and your family and friends. The Virus Cancer Program 1964-1980 The Birthplace Of AIDS And The Kaposi's Sarcoma Epidemic The following it to show people that we are continuously being experimented on. http://www.whale.to/b/cantwell9.html The epidemic of HIV/AIDS and the epidemic of "gay cancer" Kaposi's sarcoma (KS) is widely known as the "gay cancer" that often accompanied AIDS when the first cases broke out in gay men in Manhattan in 1979. In 1994 a new "human herpes-8" virus was discovered that is now widely accepted as the cause of all forms of KS. However, it is extremely important to note that the new KS herpes virus (KSHV) is separate and distinct from the human immunodeficiency virus (HIV), the virus that causes AIDS (Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome). Therefore, it is now important to recognize that two new viruses were "introduced" into gays that produced not only the epidemic of HIV/AIDS, but also the new epidemic of KS ("gay cancer"). Two new viral epidemics erupting exclusively in homosexuals is an unprecedented event in medical science. Such a bizarre and unlikely scenario strongly suggests to me that that the two epidemics of HIV and KS are more likely to have occurred due to the deliberate or accidental "introduction" of new viruses into gay men"-and not from two viruses suddenly appearing "out of Africa." The widely-held theory is that HIV originated in African primates in the African bush. Somehow the monkey or chimpanzee virus "jumped species" into black Africans to initiate the epidemic which has now killed 20 million people and infected 40 million more. How this sexually-transmitted virus came from black Africa to initially infect only young white gay men in Manhattan has never been explained satisfactorily. Furthermore, the epidemic in America erupted in the late 1970s, at a time when AIDS in Africa was unknown. The AIDS epidemic in Africa appeared in the autumn of 1982, at the earliest. The man-made origin of HIV/AIDS The man-made theory of AIDS is generally dismissed as "conspiracy theory." Nevertheless, AIDS researchers and writers like myself, Dr. Leonard G Horowitz, Dr. Robert Strecker, Professor Robert Lee, and others have proposed for two decades that HIV was seeded into gay men when they volunteered for the experimental hepatitis B vaccine experiment which took place in Manhattan, beginning in November 1978. Additional similar hepatitis B experiments using gay men as guinea pigs continued in other American cities until 1981 -the year the AIDS epidemic became official. Some of the cities included Los Angeles and San Francisco which, along with New York City, became the three big epicenters of the epidemic. My two books on the man-made origin of this disease: AIDS and the Doctors of Death [1988] , and Queer Blood: The Secret AIDS Genocide Plot [1993], provide documented evidence to support this theory. A Google internet search using the key words -man-made origin of AIDS-has 246,000 citations to various websites that explore this issue in detail. Despite all this, the man-made theory remains totally ignored by the scientific establishment and the major media. The origin of the new Kaposi's Sarcoma virus Like HIV, the new KS herpes virus-8 discovered in 1994 is considered to be yet another primate virus out of Africa with a suspected primate "viral ancestor" hiding in the African jungle. We are expected to believe that two primate viruses (a retrovirus and a herpes virus) jumped species in Africa at the same time -and ended up exclusively in the blood of white gay American men to produce a new immunodeficiency disease in 1979, now called AIDS. This proposed scenario suggests to me that such an unlikely African event has the markings of a scientific fairy tale, and I remain stupefied that such nonsense can pass for "science" in the twenty-first century. The origin of Kaposi's Sarcoma KS has a long history dating back to 1872 in Vienna, Austria, when dermatologist Moriz Kaposi described five patients with red-purple skin tumors. Before the AIDS outbreak, KS was a very rare disease affecting mainly elderly Jewish and Italian men. It was never considered a contagious or sexually-transmitted disease. In the 1960s, it was discovered that KS was a common skin cancer tumor in blacks in Central Africa, but the disease was never associated with the severe immunodeficiency characteristic of AIDS, nor was there any evidence that KS in Africa was sexually transmissible. KS was rarely, if ever, seen in African-Americans. As a dermatologist for over 30 years I never saw a KS case in a female; and KS in young men of any race or sexual persuasion was as rare as hen's teeth before the "introduction" of HIV. KS is a medical enigma. How did a previously rare disease like KS in America become a transmissible disease primarily affecting gay men? How did this herpes KS virus escape detection during the first 15 years of the AIDS epidemic? Why did the KS virus and HIV suddenly appear together in young gay men in 1979? Further complicating this picture is the discovery of small bacterial forms known as "mycoplasma", and the even more recent discovery of extremely tiny virus-like forms of bacteria called "nanobacteria", as well as my published reports of "cancer bacteria" as important etiologic agents in AIDS and KS. (For details, Google: "alan cantwell" + cancer bacteria.) All these newer bacterial agents are generally ignored by AIDS researchers, who focus exclusively on viruses. I believe some of the answers to questions surrounding the origin of HIV/AIDS can be found in the annual "Progress Reports" reports of the Virus Cancer Program and the Program's relationship to animal cancer research, genetic engineering of viruses, cancer vaccine research, and to covert biological warfare research. These hard-to-find annual Reports were published by the National Institutes of Health, Public Health Service, U.S. Department of Health, Education, and Welfare, Bethesda, Maryland. The Virus Cancer Program (1968-1980) The Virus Cancer Program had it roots in 1964 when Congress provided funds to the National Institutes of Health (NIH) for intensive research into the possible role of viruses in leukemia. In 1968 the Program, then titled the Special Virus-Cancer Program, was enlarged to encompass all types of cancer. On July 1, 1973 the Special Virus Cancer Program was renamed The Virus-Cancer Program (VCP) "to integrate the Program's research activities into the framework of the new National Cancer Plan." The Program combined the talents of many of the nation's finest virologists, biochemists, immunologists, molecular biologists, epidemiologists, and physicians, in an attempt to uncover the viral cause of cancer. Two classes of cancer-causing viruses were studied extensively: the RNA-type tumor "retroviruses" (like HIV) and the DNA herpes-type viruses (like the KS virus). The main goals were to collect various forms of cancer tissue and test them in animals; to identify animal and human cancer-causing viruses; to grow large amounts of "candidate human viruses" for testing purposes; and to develop vaccines against these cancer viruses. In essence, the scientists wanted to learn how to use viruses to make cancer - and to force "normal" cells to become cancerous by subjecting to viruses. I have studied the annual Virus Cancer Reports (VCP) covering the years 1971-1974 and 1976-1978. Each report is 300-400 pages, and the cumulative volumes refer to thousands of animal cancer virus and genetic engineering experiments. Biological warfare research, monkey research, and the VCP The annual VCP Reports must be studied with an awareness that the Program became wedded to secret military biological warfare research in the early 1970s. On October 18, 1971, as part of Richard Nixon's War on Cancer, the army's biowarfare research laboratory at Fort Detrick, Maryland, was permanently joined with the National Cancer Institute; and was re-titled . the Frederick Cancer Research Center. Litton Bionetics was named as the military's prime contractor. The primary task of the new Center was "the large scale production of oncogenic (cancer-causing) viruses and suspected oncogenic viruses to meet research needs on a continuing basis." Special attention was given to primate viruses (the alleged African source of HIV and the new KS virus)- and to the successful propagation of significant amounts of "human candidate viruses." Candidate viruses were defined as animal or human viruses that might cause human cancers. Later, the objective was to determine if such viruses could induce (either alone or with other co-carcinogens) human cancers (1977;58). Biowarfare scientists also had a keen interest in the role of human and non-human primate viruses as "helper viruses" in the production of cancer (1978;54). A steady supply of research animals (monkeys, chimpanzees, mice, cats, etc. ) was necessary; and multiple breeding colonies were established for the VCP. For example, a total of 2,274 primates from Africa and Asia were shipped to Litton for military use in 1971. Forcing cancer viruses into primates and other animals To induce primates and other research animals to acquire cancer, their immune system was deliberately suppressed by drugs, radiation, or cancer-causing chemicals or substances. The thymus gland and/or the spleen were removed, and cancer tissue and cancer viruses were injected into newborn animals or into the womb of pregnant animals. Some animals were deliberately infected with malaria to keep them chronically sick and immunodepressed. The U.S. is the world's leading consumer of primates, and 55,000 are used yearly in medical research. Primates (especially newborn and baby chimpanzees) are the most favored lab animals because they are most similar biochemically and immunologically to human beings. Humans share 98.4% of their DNA with chimpanzees. Chimps were extensively used by the VCP because there would be no official testing of cancer viruses on humans. Robert Gallo, the discoverer of HIV in 1984, was a project officer of a primate study contracted by Litton Bionetics that pumped cancerous human tissue, as well as a variety of primate and other viruses, into newborn macaques (a small species of monkey used as an animal model for human cancer). The actual number and identity of all the primate viruses created and adapted to human tissue during the 14 years of the SVCP is not known. In addition, some primates were released back into the wild carrying lab viruses with them. This fact is always ignored by molecular biologists searching for "viral ancestors" in the African bush, By the early 1970s, experimenters had transferred cancer-causing viruses into several species of monkeys. Herpesvirus saimiri, a monkey virus discovered in 1967 in the squirrel monkey, has a close genetic relationship to the new KS herpes virus. H. saimiri virus is harmless in the squirrel monkey, but when the virus was forced in the lab to "jump species" into different animal species, such as the owl monkey, marmosets and rabbits, it produces cancer in the form of fatal malignant lymphoma. By 1971 Dharam V Ablashi of the NCI succeeded in transferring H. saimiri, into various cell lines of human origin. (1971;35). Cancer-causing cat and hamster viruses were also engineered into macaques and other monkey species. By the early 1970s, it was recognized that forms of human leukemia and lymphoma were associated with herpes-type viruses. Herpes saimiri, a DNA-type virus, became the experimental model for the study of human leukemia and lymphoma. "Thus far, the only DNA viruses associated with natural cancer of animals and man are herpes viruses" (1973;15). Luis Melendez of Harvard studied additional primate herpes viruses (H. ateles, H. aotus, and H. saguinus) and determined their ability to induce cancer (1973;247). Attempts were made "to find a suitable method for the large-scale production of high-titer Herpesvirus saimiri" (1973;264). Researchers knew: "The clinical and immunological picture of human lymphoma and leukemia is closely approximated by the malignant disease induced in susceptible non-human primates by H. saimiri." (1973;265). By 1976 it was also learned that H.saimiri could spread by "contact transmission" between squirrel and owl monkeys in the laboratory. A monkey virus injected into humans via polio vaccines in the 1950s There are inherent dangers in vaccine production. Many vaccines are made on living cells; and accidental contamination with bacteria, mycoplasma, viruses, and newly-recognized "nanobacteria" are constant problems during the manufacturing process. Laboratory additives (such as fetal bovine [cow] serum) may also be a source of contamination. Half the flu vaccine supply for 2004 had to be destroyed due to contamination with disease-causing bacteria. Some researchers believe that injecting living and killed viruses into the body can result in these viruses combining with other viruses normally present in the body, resulting in the formation of new viral disease-causing "recombinants." The dangers of vaccines are downplayed to assure the public that vaccines are safe. The possibility that cancer-causing primate viruses could have been "introduced" into gays, via the experimental hepatitis B vaccine, cannot be dismissed as paranoid fantasy. In this regard, we are told that HIV is the first primate virus to "jump species" to produce an epidemic in millions of humans. But, in truth, the AIDS epidemic is the second instance in which a monkey virus has been transferred to humans. A cancer-causing monkey virus called "simian virus 40" (SV40) jumped species a half century ago when virus-contaminated polio vaccines were injected into millions of people, including half the U.S. population of that era. (For details, see: www.sv40cancer.com) Government health officials insist there is no proof that SV40 causes human cancer. However, independent research over the past decade indicates SV40 is clearly associated with rapidly-fatal cancers of the lung (mesothelioma), bone marrow cancer (multiple myeloma), brain tumors in children, and other forms of cancer. A Washington Times report (September 21, 2003) states, "Some of the polio vaccine given to millions of American children from 1962 until 2000 could have been contaminated with a monkey virus that shows up in some cancers, according to documents and testimony to be delivered to a House committee Wednesday." The SV40 story is detailed in the recently published, The Virus and the Vaccine: The True Story of a Cancer-Causing Monkey Virus, Contaminated Polio Vaccine, and the Millions of Americans Exposed. The VCP and links to bio-warfare and secret human experimentation Every annual report of the VCP makes clear that human experimentation with these newly created and genetically-engineered viruses would not be undertaken. However, the 1972 Report (p 262) also states: "Since man will not be used as an experimental recipient, it is necessary to gain proof of oncogenicity by other means." It is well-known in science that medical doctors will not totally accept laboratory findings in animals as absolute proof. An experimental finding in animals must also be proven in humans. It cannot be assumed that covert human testing of suspected cancer-causing viruses did not take place in the thousands of experiments conducted under the auspices of the VCP, particularly with its strong ties to covert biowarfare research. The U.S. military has a long history of secret human experimentation. For proof, Google: secret human medical experimentation. Merck and Co, Inc. made most of the experimental hepatitis B vaccine that was immediately followed by AIDS cases. Some of the experimental vaccine was manufactured at the NIH. George Merck, who founded the drug company, was the leading biowarfare advisor to President Roosevelt during WW2. He was a central figure in creating the army's biowarfare laboratory at Ft. Detrick, Maryland, which later became an integral part of the NCI. Merck's role in the VCP was "to conduct investigations designed to develop vaccines or other agents effective for the prophylaxis and therapy for human neoplasia (cancer) of suspected viral etiology" (1972;139). Great interest was taken in developing anti-herpes virus vaccines. Research involved a new type of herpes vaccine using "purified viral protein vaccines" and a "subunit vaccine" utilizing only a piece of the herpes virus (1977;135). The Merck company declared: "Since live attenuated or killed virus vaccines for potentially oncogenic viruses would not be acceptable for human use due to the danger of transfer of functional genetic material, this project was initiated to determine whether vaccines to purified viral antigens acceptable for use in humans were of practical value." (1977;160) (This proposed "purified" herpes vaccine was similar in type to the experimental "purified" hepatitis B vaccine injected into gays the following year.) It is my contention that the introduction of HIV and the KS virus into gay people, the most hated minority in America, was not an accident of nature due to monkeys in the jungle. Would scientists deliberately infect gay men with AIDS to finally prove that animal cancer viruses cause cancer? In the January 1987 issue of MD magazine, an Oklahoma internist wrote: "Homosexuality is a sin, deserving the death penalty." With that kind of mentality not rare in the medical and scientific world, the answer to the question is, undoubtedly, yes. The VCP and biohazards The VCP was a biological disaster waiting to happen. What would happen if one or more of these dangerous cancer and immunosuppressive viruses escaped from the laboratory and produced a worldwide biologic holocaust? The 1978 report from the Office of Biohazard Safety of the VCP states: "The inadequate care and handling of animals during the past several years have created a potential for the occurrence of infection of humans with simian (primate) microorganisms and cross infection between species. Such interspecies disease transmission may seriously compromise the integrity of the experiment as well as the health of the experimenter. Due to the magnitude of biomedical research employing tissue cultures. Frequent evaluation of tissue culture cross-contamination is very important." The yearly large-scale production of lethal cancer viruses By the late 1970s the mixing of animal cancer viruses with human cells to produce new "xenotropic" viruses was commonplace. The human cells in question were placenta ("afterbirth") cells from patients with immune disease, and cells from leukemia (1978, p 192). Xenotropic viruses are viruses taken from one species and transplanted into another different species. All these experiments represent "species jumping" performed in a laboratory. By 1977 the Program was producing "approximately 60,000 liters (15,840 gallons) of tissue culture-grown viruses, propagated in over 40 different cell lines, and distributed in over 1250 shipments to over 250 participating laboratories throughout the world." Also in 1977 Electro-Nucleonics Laboratories processed 8,044 liters (2,024 gallons) of virus-containing fluids harvested from several tissue culture systems. About half this volume was concentrated xenotropic viruses. That same year Pfizer drug company produced 28,000 liters (7,392 gallons) of virus harvest fluids. The vast majority included primate viruses, such as the Mason-Pfizer monkey virus, woolly monkey sarcoma virus and baboon endogenous virus. (This baboon virus contaminated Gallo's lab at the NCI). Litton produced 37,438 liters (9,984 gallons) of retrovirus material consisting essentially of four agents: mouse mammary tumor virus, Raucher murine (rat) leukemia virus, Gross murine leukemia virus and baboon leukemia virus. The VCP made clear that: "Attempts are being made to chronically infect cell cultures of human epithelial and fibroblast cells and similar cell cultures from non-human primates (marmosets) with simian sarcoma virus, gibbon ape leukemia virus and baboon endogenous virus" (1977;183). A few years later primates in the African bush would be blamed for starting AIDS and the KS epidemics. The VCP and the creation of an AIDS-like disease in chimps In 1969 the military biowarfare experts predicted that a biological agent would be developed within a decade that would have a devastating effect on the immune system and for which there would be no treatment. (For details of this congressional testimony, Google: Donald M MacArthur + biowarfare.) The VCP had a keen interest in acquiring "information and materials from carefully selected patients suffering from immunodeficiency diseases" (1972;318). This is made clear in a 1973 Progress Report (p249) from the University of Minnesota entitled, "The search for tumor virus related information in human immunodeficiency patients with cancer" The researchers proposed "continuation of studies linking immunodeficency, cancer, and oncogenic viruses." As biowarfare expert MacArthur predicted, new cancer-causing monster viruses (like HIV) were created by the VCP which had a deadly effect on the immune system. In one experiment recorded in the 1973 Report (p169), later published in Cancer Research in 1974, newborn chimps were taken away from their mothers at birth and weaned on milk from cancer virus-infected cows. Some of the chimps sickened and died with two diseases that had never been observed in chimpanzees. The first was Pneumocystis carinii pneumonia (later known as the "gay pneumonia" of AIDS); the second was leukemia, a cancer of the blood. Cancer-Causing viruses and "helper" viruses As the 1970s began it was clear that some cancer-causing viruses could not produce cancer unless a "helper" virus was present. Certain chicken, cat and mouse sarcoma viruses were found to be "defective" and unable to induce cancerous changes. However, when a "helper" leukemia virus was added to the mix, the sarcoma virus was able to induce cancer. Mixing of a mouse sarcoma virus with a cat leukemia virus produced a "hybrid virus" which could grow continuously in cat cells. Such a "hybrid virus" was adapted to human embryonic (fetal) cells (1971, p22). Thus, it is obvious that "species jumping" experiments were commonplace during the years of the VCP. By the late 1970s it was known that "type C RNA viruses" (the retroviruses connected with sarcomas and lymphomas and leukemias) existed normally in cells as "endogenous viruses" within the cellular genomes of many mammalian species. By 1977, the year the experimental hepatitis B vaccine was being made, scientists in the VCP aimed "to determine the oncogenic potential of putative human viruses" and "to begin viral vaccine (conventional or other) testing and immunization programs" (1977;32). The exact methods by which this was to be accomplished was not stated. Primate virus contamination of human cells The possibility that animal cancer viruses could cause contamination of viral laboratories and viral research was an accepted risk for the VCP. Primate virus contamination problems have plagued the laboratories of the world's most famous AIDS researchers, much to their embarrassment. A decade before Gallo discovered HIV, he reported a "new" and "human" and cancer-associated "HL-23 virus" that was eventually determined to be not one but three contaminating primate viruses (gibbon-ape virus, simian sarcoma virus, and baboon endogenous virus). The baboon virus was discovered in the early 1970s at the Southwest Foundation for Research and Education in San Antonio, Texas, which hosted a chimpanzee breeding colony and produced simian viruses for research. The baboon virus somehow made its way into the blood cells of a Texas women with leukemia. When the infected cells reached Gallo's lab they were apparently joined with an additional monkey virus and an ape virus. How these three viruses contaminated Gallo's lab is unknown. However, George Todaro, an equally famous virologist, was quoted as saying, "You can get three viruses into a virus preparation easily just by being sloppy, and Gallo had plenty of sloppy people." (See John Crewdson's Science Fictions: A Scientific Mystery, A Massive Cover-Up, and the Dark Legacy of Robert Gallo, p20). As late as 1986 Max Essex of Harvard "discovered" a new human AIDS retrovirus that he found in the blood of healthy Africans. Eventually this virus also proved to be a monkey virus that originated in a nearby primate colony. Somehow the animal virus had worked its way into Essex's lab and blood samples. Interestingly, both Gallo and Essex, the two foremost American AIDS researchers, were the leading proponents of the African green monkey theory of AIDS. Now the more widely accepted theory, proposed by Beatrice Hahn (who worked in Gallo's lab when he proposed the green monkey theory), claims the virus traces back to chimpanzees in the African wild. Hahn has never commented on the primate contamination problems in Gallo's lab. Could the primate "ancestors" of the RNA-type HIV retrovirus and the DNA-type herpes saimiri-like KS herpes virus have accidentally -or deliberately-worked their way into the experimental hepatitis B vaccine? The extremely high incidence of both these "new" viruses in the gay men who volunteered for the hepatitis experiments certainly provide enough additional circumstantial evidence to make the man-made theory of AIDS as plausible as the monkey out of Africa theory. The gay hepatitis B experiments (1978-1981) The experimental hepatitis B vaccine injected into gays was unlike any other vaccine previously made. It was developed in chimpanzees and manufactured in a year-long process of sterilization and purification of the pooled blood of 30 gay men who were hepatitis B virus carriers. During the first gay experiment (November 1978-October 1979) at the New York Blood Center, there was great concern that the vaccine might be contaminated. According to June Goodfield's Quest for the Killers, p 86, "This was no theoretical fear, contamination having been suspected in one batch made by the National Institutes of Health, though never in Merck's." The men were given three inoculations of the vaccine over a period of time. The vaccine was successful with 96% of the men developing protective antibodies against the hepatitis B virus. It has been assumed by some that these men were immunosuppressed due to their promiscuity and history of venereal disease. Although the young men in the study were indeed "promiscuous" (this was a requirement for entrance into the study), they were in excellent health. Despite many previous sexual partners, these volunteers had never contracted evidence of hepatitis B infection. Furthermore, immunosuppressed people often do not respond to the vaccine. The men in the Manhattan experiment had the highest rate of HIV ever recorded for that time period (over 20% of the men were HIV-positive in 1981, and over 40% in 1984). Therefore, it must be assumed that many, if not most, of these men eventually died of AIDS. The actual number of AIDS deaths among the men in the experiment has never been revealed, nor have their medical records been studied. Attempts to secure this information have been rebuffed due to the "confidential" nature of the experiment. The end of the VCP and the birth of AIDS By 1980 the VCP came to an inglorious end with the inability to prove that viruses were involved in human cancer. More than any other program it built up the field of animal retrovirology, which led to a more complete understanding of how cancer and immunosuppressive retroviruses caused disease in humans. The VCP was the birthplace of genetic engineering, molecular biology, and the human genome project. I am convinced the VCP (and not Africa) is the birthplace of HIV/AIDS as well. As the VCP was winding down in the late 1970s, the gay experiments began in New York City, and continued in other cities, such as San Francisco and Los Angeles. These cities would rapidly become the three primary epicenters of the new and unprecedented "gay-related immune deficiency syndrome," later known as AIDS. The introduction of HIV and the KS herpes virus into gay men (along with some "novel" and now-patented mycoplasmas discovered at the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology) miraculously revived the career of Robert Gallo and made him the most famous virologist in the world. And, of course, turned the "failure" of the VCP into a triumph. When Gallo's blood test for HIV became available in the mid-1980s, the New York Blood Center's stored gay blood specimens were reexamined. Most astonishing is the fact that 20% of the gay men who volunteered for the hepatitis B experiment in Manhattan were discovered to be HIV-positive in 1980 (one year before the AIDS epidemic became "official" in 1981). This signifies that Manhattan gays in 1980 had the highest incidence of HIV anywhere in the world, including Africa, the supposed birthplace of HIV and AIDS. In addition, in 1982, in an AIDS trial in New York City one out of five gay men (20%) tested positive for the new KS herpes-8 virus when stored blood samples were re-examined by epidemiologists at the NCI in 1999. Rarely mentioned by AIDS historians is the fact that the New York Blood Center established a chimp virus laboratory for viral vaccine research in West Africa in 1974. One of the purposes of VILAB II, in Robertsfield, Liberia, was to develop the hepatitis B vaccine in chimps. The lab also prides itself by releasing "rehabilitated" (but virus-infected) chimps back into the wild. Also conveniently forgotten in the history of AIDS is LEMSIP (The Laboratory for Experimental Medicine and Surgery), the primate colony located outside New York City. For many years, until disbanded in 1997, LEMSIP supplied scientists with primates and primate parts (and unknown primate viruses) for transplantation and virus research. Primate parts (and primate viruses) were experimentally transplanted in human beings as early as the 1960s. LEMSIP was also affiliated with New York University Medical Center, where the first cases of AIDS-associated Kaposi's sarcoma were discovered in 1979. Researchers at NYU were also heavily involved in the development of the experimental hepatitis B vaccine used in gays. According to Leonard Horowitz, author of Emerging Viruses: AIDS and Ebola, NYU Medical Center received government grants and contracts connected with biological warfare research beginning in 1969. The evidence gathered here is a tiny fraction of the circumstantial evidence supporting the man-made theory of AIDS. Scientists have a long and proven history of covertly experimenting on people "in the name of science." Anyone who takes the time to study the reports of the VCP will recognize that human experimentation with cancer viruses was undoubtedly considered and ultimately desired. Is the fact that HIV/AIDS appeared within a decade of this dangerous cancer virus experimentation a coincidence? Should AIDS be blamed on human sexuality, gays, blacks, and monkeys? I think not. There is nothing wrong or unpatriotic or "conspiratorial" in presenting the vast amount of evidence that connects out-of-control animal cancer experimentation and biowarfare research with the birth of AIDS. What is wrong, however, is the unwillingness of the scientific establishment and the media and the public to look at it. _____

Wow, what an interesting lot. 'pharmtech' I can make my name something cool and say anything as well. But that does not make what is said any the more credible that is why the ‘Internet’ can fool so many……. 'Mofmars333' says 'Yes, there's disinformation but when myriads of people are trying to tell you the same thing, it's no coincidence, it's time to listen'...Well I think you will find more ‘myriads of people’ are saying the opposite thing, but then you don’t look at or listen to anything that opposes your view! To really look at something you must look at who is saying it, the reasons they say it, do some background on them and who they work, qualifications (are they real) do they have an agenda, are they also trying to sell me something so I can find out more?..... ‘Valley28’, I had a look at 'Leonard Horowitz' on his website and I just love what he calls himself, ‘Humanitarian, Clinician, Prophet, Scholar and Natural Healer Advances Global Healing'…… So let me get this right, he is a PROPHET and I should listen to him and his words, because he KNOWS the truth? BUT, when the Brethren say the opposite view, and the Prophet has the Lords missionaries vaccinated, while so many of them speak and write about how vaccinations are medical breakthroughs and are blessings from God. We should view those statements simply from 'men' because they are only making such statements as a man blinded by the lies of 'Big Pharm'!!! REALLY GUYS! ……..I hope that you put as much time into reading the scriptures, lessons, what the Brethren say and do as you obviously put into following this subject with such zeal. Here is a like to a lesson manual from the Church, http://lds.org/manual/duties-and-blessings-of-the-priesthood-basic-manual-for-priesthood-holders-part-b/lesson-24-maintaining-good-physical-health?lang=eng Do any of you really think that the Prophet (of God I mean not to be mistaken with the Prophet Leonard Horowitz) would allow this lesson in a lesson manual if it was not good for us to know? OR do your also believe that lesson manuals that the Church puts out under the guidance of the Brethren are merely suggestions also? And should only be follow what the Brethren say and do so long as it fits in with the true and everlasting views of the Prophet Leonard Horowitz! …If you hadn't noticed by now that your all just convincing yourselves more deeply about what you already believe because your too unwilling to look at anything other than what agrees with your views the rest of us have moved on.....You don't ‘discuss’ things with anyone other than those you agree with, but for all others you force your view, you contend with those that have differing views, as stated some time ago we know where contention comes from.

Foruku - Read the Book Emerging Viruses of watch the Movie on You-Tube regarding Emerging Viruses. He has proof on that AIDS was given through vaccination. One thing to think about, Foruku. This article is about vaccinations and the physical and mental dangers they cause. They have been growning the viruses in animals, and injecting their DNA and RNA into us for years. It is called Biological warfare. At one time, Ebola was only caught within the APE family, and now humans can get the Ebola Virus. Many of the vaccines made today are made with monkey kidney cells the virus was grown in. Please read all the other links and try to learn. This is not a matter of religion, but saving lives and living the Word of Wisdom. Is it living the word the wisdom to put cancer cells into people? Is it Living the Word of Wisdom to put animal DNA and RNA into our system which now makes it so people can catch animal viruses like Ebola? Dr. Leonard Hortowitz may not be right on everything, but to discount his proof regarding vaccinations, which was written long ago, and now finally, the FDA and CDC are admitting that they have been giving us cancer and other diseases through the contamination of the vaccines. Revisit the links that I have sent regarding the scientific proof that are in the links. This is not a debate over religion. This is a debate over that they poisoning some of the most wonderful people in the world. If you do not think that the LDS people will targeted to sterilize them for population control, then I guess people will learn the hard way. It is happening, and has been happening for a long while.

In many of the vaccine ingredients, it states there are formaldehyde, mercury, and aluminum compounds are in the vaccines. Also, phenol (carboilic acid), borax (ant killer) methanol, dye, acetone (solvent, polish remover), disinfectant, glycerine, antifreez, MSG, and many other poisons. Plus, also toxic when injected are animal organ tissue and blood from monkey, cow, chick, pig, sheep, dog, cat, etc. Have you heard of Feline Leukemia? There are also contaminated animal viruses called SV40, which causes cancer in humans. They also use aborted human foetus cells, large foreign proteins, mutated (more virulent) human viruses in high doses (Note: "Killed" viruses can reactivate after being jected), bacterial endotoxins, antibiotics, bacteria, genetically modified yeast, latex, and animal, bacterial, and viral DNA which when injected can be incorporated into the recipient's DNA. Injections bypass important defenses in the skin and mucous membranes.

WHAT will be the effect if you vaccinate? To become immune requires a process that do not occur on demand and happen in the outer levels of defense, bypassed by injections, so “immunizations” don’t immunize. Rather when foreign substances are injected, particularly these ones, the immune system is derailed. As a result, only in the vaccinated, new more serious forms of the disease can occur, such as atypical measles, when the rash moves in the wrong direction, and pneumonia, encephalitis or meningitis can result (see medical dictionary). Vaccination often prevents immunity from developing, resulting in repeated illness. The presence of antibodies does not show immunity, only past exposure (e.g. HIV). Vaccines also increase susceptibility to unrelated, normally harmless viruses and bacteria (e.g. causing meningococcal, which is a possible side effect in the vaccine inserts if anyone would read them). In the article, we do not know the boy’s name, if he ever had any vaccinations or was on any medications that would had destroyed his immune system, etc. Other side effects from vaccinations that are listed in many of the vaccine inserts, i.e., allergies, manifesting as eczema, hay fever, but most notably asthma, encephalitis or meningitis, recurring colds, tonsillitis, ear, respiratory or other infections., bowel problems, celiac disease, autism, ADD, and other learning, speech, and behavioral problems, paralysis, epilepsy and other neurological problems, mental illness, autoimmune diseases such as lupus, diabetes, arthritis, and MS, organ damage or failure, blindness, deafness, and other disabilities, chronic fatigue syndrome, blood disorders, hormone imbalances, leukemia and other cancers (which usually show up years later, but some babies get cancer immediately), Cot death or SIDS, altered genes, infertility, weaknesses or defects in offspring and other signs of a disoriented or disabled immune system.

Fooruku - I do read the scriptures, and these are the last days, where there will diseases and famine. I did not know that big industries would poison us through genetically modified foods that we are now eating, but it is happening. I did not know they would make us vulnerable to diseases by injecting us with animal DNA and RNA, but it is happening. If you read the scriptures, we will have famine, droughts, and diseases. I just never knew that insane globalist would be ones that created all the destruction, but it is happening. Trust in God. Not Big Chemical and Pharmaceutical Industries, because there is a concerted effort to depopulate the world. I read the scriptures, and can see the signs. People can believe man, or they can pray for truth in order to protect their families. If you choose to put toxic cancer agents in your body, it is your choice. Free agency is what is all about. The part that is upsetting to me is when people are not given the truth and information to make informed decisions.

I would love to talk to the doctor who wrote this article, leaving out the details, and not doing his research. I would like to debate with him personally, because this article is nothing more than an advertisement for Big Pharmaceutical. Will the doctor do some research and make comments on this link? There was a doctor on "Know the Cause" that were telling people to get vaccinated, until he actually started doing research into what are in the vaccines, and how they are made, and the possible side effects and life long diseases they cause. Will the doctor who wrote this article please come on this link and discuss this?

Well, Valley28, I will follow what my heart tells me as well, and what I pray about, which has been to vaccinate my children and myself when the need be. I ensure my children's and my health is good prior to a vaccination and I talk to my doctor before hand as well...... As for the ‘concerted effort to depopulate the world’ whoever is doing it is doing a pretty poor job, in the most 3rd World countries where you have to be vaccinated there is little slowing the population…. While this may not be a discussion about religion, in a way it is because how we live our lives determines who we follow, I follow those that the Lord has to guide us on earth, all along praying….. I have read both sides to this debate over the years and have seen that vaccination saves more lives than it has taken, and after prayer choose to vaccinate..... I suggest that perhaps rather than ‘read the scriptures and pray for truth, you also include listen to and follow the living Brethren as they have the message of what God wants you to hear today…. Now while you and everyone else against vaccination keep going on and on about read this link read that, NOT ONE of you have commented on the links to the CHURCH website that show that the Brethren are on the side of vaccination being a 'blessing from God'... Sorry I am wrong, once it was referred to but put aside because 'they are just men and can be mistaken'. Well thank goodness for that because I would love to have a nice wine with my meal each night, so maybe they are wrong about that as well. There is TONS of evidence that a glass of wine each day will help keep you healthy. I wonder what else they could be wrong about? Do you think we should warn them?

Thank you Gail. I read every word & in discovering you are a dermatologist I bet you see a lot of vaccine damaged people?.......Have you seen this grand exposure where Dr. Maurice Hilleman, who died I think it was in 2005, tells all in confessing vaccines cause cancer?>>>"60 Lab Studies Now Confirm Cancer Link to a Vaccine You Probably Had as a Child">>>>>>>>http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/02/18/leading-vaccine-doctor-states-cancer-linked-to-polio-vaccine.aspx

Fooruku, I can see that you have read the information that is out there, and that your free will. People do more research into buying a car than they do on what they allow to be put into their children's and their own bodies. Vaccinations will not immunize your children, and many may get cancer and other autoimmune diseases if you continue to vaccinate, because vaccinations have gone from 12 doses to over 60 doses in the past 40 years. An autoimmune disease is when our body attacks itself and does not shut off. Our bodies are trying to get rid of the foreign toxins and animal DNA and RNA. How many children do you have, and do any of them have any health problems?

Hi Mofmars333! I am not a dermatologist. :D I started doing research in 2005 to find answers in the horrific treatments my Mother was given, and I have studying pharmacology now for almost 6 1/2 years. I keep track of recalls from www.in-pharmatechnologist.com. I also signed up to get their newsletters, and I do a lot of research into their stocks, contamination problems, etc. My research is extensive, probably more than most pharmacists, and definitely more than almost all doctors. :D Pharmacist are the one who are more knowledgeable regarding pharmaceuticals. Doctors just prescribe them, without the knowledge of the pharmacists. I know this is true in almost all cases. I love Dr. Mercola's Health Newsletter you posted. I also like Mike Adams Health Newsletter at www.naturalnews.com Do you also get that one? I was a caregiver to my Mother, and I am now a caregiver to my Father. He almost died over 4 years ago, and I have researched every drug, and I have a pharmaceutical book that is out of print called "The Drug-Induced Nutrient Depletion Handbook." Every time I take my Father to the VA, they try to get him to take vaccinations, and I become unglued! I get whoever is pushing it, and send them a lot of information regarding vaccinations. My Father was 90% gone, and I have worked so hard to help him with his health. My parents took good care of me, and I am trying my best to take care of them. The sad part is that I was not knowledgeable when taking care of my Mother, but I learned helped me to take better care of my Father. Love is the key to research when it comes to saving our family member's life.

Mofmars333 - After doing research on the drugs that was given to my Mother, and then researching the drugs my Father was on, I took him off 75% of drugs and gave him nutritional supplements and organic foods. The doctor at the time, that I fired, had two pharmacist tell me how I was wasting my money on the supplements and organic foods, and told me to quit giving them to him. Well, I told them to forget it, that I just spent hundreds of dollars on the supplements. They asked me to quit giving him the supplements after they were gone, and again, I told them no way would I do that, when they were helping him. The only thing I can think of why the doctor was that way, is that they only wanted him to take drugs. The Cholesterol Drugs are some of the worse drugs there are, and that was the first one to go. It made him lose his memory, caused him pain all over his body, etc. I work with a supervisor that his kidneys shut down, and he had to go on dialysis. I bought him a book called, "Prescription for Nutritional Healing" because he looked like he could die. About a year later, I ran into him again, and he told his doctor told him that he did almost die from taking Lipitor. How I found out about genetically food is when I gave my Father a genetically avocado. They do not mark foods genetically modified any more, because they do not want the link to cancer and heart problems caused from these foods. I have an oximeter that measure oxygen levels and heart rate, and my Father's heart sky rockets after eating this avocado. I at the other half, against my Father's wishes, wearing the oximeter, and my heart rate started racing and went up 30 beats per minute at an irregular heart beat. I was huge and said 30% less fat. It had a 9 digit number that started with 9 which means genetically modified, but the FDA will not allow genetically modified foods to be marked any longer, but organic foods will have a 5 digit number that starts with an 8, which means organic. I learn everything the hard way, and then search for truth. I almost died from the DPT vaccine, so I only gave my son DT vaccines, and on his 4th DT vaccine, just before he turned 4, he had a seizure, just like I did when I was one. I think it was you that stated there are many different vaccine makers, with various levels of these toxins. My Grandmother got the Swine Flu Vaccine that they discontinued during 1976-1977, and she could never walk again. She deteriorated terribly after that vaccine, and my Mother felt so guilty. There was a really nice Day Care for older people, and my Mother was trying to help my Grandmother have a social life while she was at work. They insisted that she get this vaccine, and my Mother talked her into it, so she could go there. Well, she lost all control of her body and never could walk again, and needless to say, they would not take her. The guilt my Mother felt from this, even though the doctor reassured my Mother it was not the vaccine. I forgot all about this until the new Swine Flu Vaccine came out, and found out that many people died and became disabled back in 1976 and 1977 and they discontinued the shot. My Grandmother was not part of these statistics, and I wonder how many others died or became disabled from this vaccine.

Medical Doctor Retracts H1N1 Vaccine Advice After Reading Insert! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r051fXtfng8 Dr. Roby Mitchell, M.D. (www.drfitt.com) issues a retraction to nurses he originally advised to get the H1N1 flu vaccination. After reading the insert of the vaccine, he retracted his advice. This video exposes what is actually IN the vaccine our government is so eager to inject into our population. For more information, please visit the following websites below: http://www.vactruth.org http://www.drtenpenny.com http://www.theflucase.com http://www.fluscam.com http://www.drcarley.com http://www.brainguardmd.com http://www.mercola.com http://www.naturalnews.com http://www.russellblaylockmd.com In response to some of the comments, I have supplied links over here since they won't post comments with links. Live H1N1 Virus in Nasal Spray Vaccination: http://public-healthcare-issues.suite101.com/article.cfm/live_h1n1_virus_in_n... Swine Flu Vaccine Makers Granted Legal Immunity: http://www.emaxhealth.com/1020/39/32326/swine-flu-vaccine-makers-granted-legal-immunity.html

Oh, I thought you said you were a dermatologist, Valley. It must have been in one of your notes you quoted someone else or maybe I was just mistaken, completely...Oh, yes. I get Mike Adam's newsletter, too...Good on you for taking such good care of your loved ones & I wish you'd learned things sooner, too, so you would have known what was best for your Mother...Thank the good that God is this life is not all there is...Love is the key, for sure...It's what makes the world go round & will be what saves our children from further harm of the error & greed behind vaccines.

OMG, I am so saddened to hear what happened to you, your son & your Grandma...And your poor Mom with all that guilt...I lost my Mom at her sad age of 43 to big pharma & my little sister too, last year, at 42...They have just hooked my Dad at 87 on antidepressants he didn't need & he was so healthy till now...I am so sad & worried...He was told he was depressed & the regiment they put him on is taking toll...I tried so hard to help him but he's addicted & believes he'll die without the pills...I am not finished yet with the quack doctors who are doing this to him, yet, either...Yes, I know they wanted your Dad on drugs because that's what lines their greedy pockets...I bet they get kick backs from prescribing...Thanks for the information on how to read the organic & genetically modified labels...I didn't know that...And we need one of those oximeters you have in our family, for sure...I'm sorry you had to learn everything the hard way & God Bless you for helping others to learn from the mistakes you, unwittingly, made...To answer you when you said you wondered how many died from those toxic flu shots back in 1976, I think it was three or four hundred...I'll post proof so people here watching can see how devastating that was...They are still suffering & dying...They were millions who got that hot shot.

CBS's 60 Minutes reports; "Flu Vaccines Kill! Hundreds dead - H1N1" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlgfFH9WVHY

I see more in depth information here than in my prior post>>>"CBS 60 Minutes: 300 death claims from 1976 swine flu vaccine, only one death from flu">>> http://www.examiner.com/us-intelligence-in-national/cbs-60-minutes-300-death-claims-from-1976-swine-flu-vaccine-only-one-death-from-flu#ixzz1V2Q1QE1D....... {ADDED NOTE; The 300 reported dead only reflect the number reported back then & not those who slipped through the cracks...Remember, they are still dying, too, from those shots to this day}

I haven't forgotten abouut continuing with the truth behind Dr. Wakefield no one will be able to deny & hope to soon get to it...I just want to tie up loose ends by staying somewhat on the associated topics as they come up & adding what I'm prompted to say....Something came to mind when Valley said in part>>>"our government is so eager to inject into our population."...I don't usually go here but allow me to take all of you to the "Twilight Zone" for a brief time...I'm going to show you 3 items that might shock you...

Could it be true they are trying to, purposely, kill off our people with toxins in our air, food, water & vaccines?...It certainly seems so to us paying attention...The Guidestones sound wonderful but lunatics seem to be working to cull our population to, as the stones say, maintain humanity under 500,000,000...How else do we explain all the toxins we are assaulted with?Especially vaccines that give whole new meaning to survival of the fittest...These loons don't give these shots to their own...You can bet on that>>> http://www.radioliberty.com/stones.htm........ THE MESSAGE OF THE GEORGIA GUIDESTONES... 1. Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.... 2. Guide reproduction wisely - improving fitness and diversity... 3. Unite humanity with a living new language... 4. Rule passion - faith - tradition - and all things with tempered reason... 5. Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts... 6. Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court... 7. Avoid petty laws and useless officials... 8. Balance personal rights with social duties... 9. Prize truth - beauty - love - seeking harmony with the infinite... 10.Be not a cancer on the earth - Leave room for nature

The other 2 "Twilight Zone" matters & I'll let eveyone be until I'm able to continue with the facts to what's really behing Dr. Wakefield...I know it's written we should not dabble in some things...Like numerology...I don't know if this, I'm going to show you, qualifies as numerology but this one time let's see what conspiracy theorists are talking about & what they have discovered...We'll be using the system that gives each letter numeric value...A is one...b is two...c is three & so on...Consider the number of the beast...Give each letter in vaccines the correct number...Like v is 22...a is one & so on...Add them up...666...Ironic...Maybe prophetic by some standards?...Then if you realize the reality behind the government's chip program, you have to wonder about something else>>>"NANO chips in needles? Chipping humans with vaccine needles">>> http://ppjg.wordpress.com/2009/10/04/nano-chips-in-needles-chipping-humans-with-vaccine-needles/........How are they to keep track of all these chips...These teeny tiny computers?...(((THE WORLD COMPUTER)))...Conspiracy theory?...We'd better hope so...Because science fact can be stranger than any fiction we can imagine...Take that word, computer & see it adds up to 666, too...And again I say, you have to wonder..."Twilight Zone" time is over & reality needs to set in...This is spiritual warfare

Please listen to this eye opening interview Jon Rappoport did with Dr. Andrew Wakefield>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.progressiveradionetwork.com/the-jon-rappoport-show/2011/7/28/the-jon-rappoport-show-072711.html

Another interview Jon did with an anonymous pharmaceutical/vaccine company insider>>>>>>>http://www.thinktwice.com/fraud2.htm.......Here's another one of those retirees I was telling you about earlier that I said will be coming forward, speaking out like the brave Helen Ratajczak who was the former senior scientist at a pharmaceutical firm in that CBS article I showed you & asked you read, at least, the last couple of comments...I'll be going back to this CBS Investagates article after all the facts concerning Wakefield have been presented...There's a lot more to that reporter, Sharyl, who wrote that article than meets the eye...In the mean time...And I do mean, mean time, here's the link, again, for review in case anyone would like to jump ahead>>>http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20049118-10391695.htm

There have been many revealing interviews since the kangaroo court shanghaied our good doctor Wakefield & took his license...All because of one reporter, Brian Deer & the corrupt British Medical Journal....Speaking of the BMJ...Have you heard about the high-level doctor who is advocating for students to be allowed to pay for their education by selling their kidneys?...Yes..."Sue Rabbitt Roff is currently a senior research fellow with the Dundee University Medical School. She is on the Investigation Committee and Registration Decision Panels for the General Medical Council of the UK. For those outside the UK, this is the same agency that took Dr. Andrew Wakefield's license to practice medicine—and the panels Roff serves on make the decisions on whether to revoke licenses."...Wow...Did you get that?...And she was, is, trusted to make ethical decisions?>>> 'Can't Afford Tuition? Sell an Organ!' Says Scottish Academicmaking ethics determinations>>> http://www.gaia-health.com/articles501/000503-sell-organ-tuition.shtml

Thanks for posting that very recent, 7-28-11 interview of Dr Andrew Wakefield, mofmars. I had not heard that one yet, and I found it extremely fascinating and informative. As mentioned earlier, I am very appreciative of Dr Wakefield's courage and integrity. That is another interview that every parent and grandparent should take the opportunity to hear.

I'm glad to help set the record straight, opr...I'm tired now so tommorow, I'll show you even more revealing fact concerning Dr. Wakefield...There's so much to cover...Not just on the good doctor but on many other fronts, too.

Back to the interviews Brian Deer & the BMJ...Did I mention the BMJ is wedded to Merck?...Just in case I forgot to>>>http://www.ahrp.org/cms/content/view/766/9/

This next interview is a round table investigation headed by Dr. Gary Null, PHD...You will meet the others as you hear this clear & undeniable fact & evidence that first helped to vindicate Dr. Wakefield months ago yet the lies continued........See January 27 for>>>"Wakefield Files– the case against Brian Deer and the British Medical Journal">>> http://www.progressiveradionetwork.com/the-gary-null-show-wnye/?currentPage=9........ Then on January 25 on that same page, hear the Brian Deer interview where he hangs himself with lying, dodging questions & changing the subject.......Witness Brian lying in an arrogant & condescending manner that gives rude whole new meaning.......Then, put his reactions & what he said with the following recording of the real Brian Deer I will post next...I will be right back...

"Selective Hearing - The documentary about Brian Deer, vaccines and autism">>>>>>>> http://www.naturalnews.tv/v.asp?v=21C9E60E7A00D3D8B3DF37796B661886

This was a very reassuring article and well written. I think many people look to their medical practitioner for answers, reassurance, and advice without ever doing their own homework. It isn't easy to make an "unpopular" decision like not vaccinating your children. I believe parents who choose to not follow the vaccination schedule spend much more time considering and researching than parents who choose to have their children injected with viral, bacterial and chemical serums. I believe most doctors really have their patients' best interest at heart. But when a doctor says to "look it up," I believe he is pointing patients and readers to the studies that were conducted by government and pharma, but that he hasn't really done his homework either. The study the medical world relies on to disprove the link between vaccines and autism lowered the age of subjects counted in the study to children less that 2 years old. Most cases of autism are diagnosed after age 24 months. They can truthfully report that the data shows no increase in autism. Most studies can be manipulated in ways like this. Read "Evidence of Harm" written by journalist (not the CDC or Merck) David Kirby. The other thing we don't think about enough is that while the vaccination schedule has ramped up over the years so has chronic disease and autoimmune disorders. I don't have the numbers in my head, but do your homework on this! How fast has asthma, diabetes, and other chronic illness and autoimmune diseases skyrocketed over the same time period? You can't continuously administer "insults" to the immune system and introduce known toxins into the body without some negative affect. Others have mentioned this, but as long as you're doing your homework, check when the childhood diseases began to decline (Read chapter 19 of Dr. Robert S Mendelsohn's book "How to raise a healthy child in spite of your Doctor." or Neil Z. Miller's "Vaccine Safety Manual." There is overwhelming historical evidence that these diseases declined before the introduction of vaccination and in countries that didn't introduce vaccinations when the US did. The only way you can get Polio in the US is by the live vaccination. The last "wild" case of polio in the US was in 1971. Bet your doctor can't tell you that. Mine did. Our family doctor won't vaccinate in his practice. He encourages parents to strengthen the "Host resistance" of their children by feeding them healthy foods, ensuring they get enough rest, and letting their bodies develop a strong immune system by encountering germs in our world and fighting them off the way our bodies were designed to, to create life long immunity.

“I am compiling a list of children who were adversely affected by any vaccine. Please if you could say in about 4-6 sentences what that vaccine was, how they reacted, how they are today and what city the vaccine was administered.” found elsewhere at the bottom of this page linked, and relating to autism, reports on a Vaccine damage reports database (mixed) and the HPV Gardasil vaccine, totaling to more than 1900 Admin to Dr Wakefield's work must continue and also Autism mothers on Facebook. http://www.followingvaccinations.com/

Get the facts right folks and check out www.cryshame.com A group of parents started this to support the 3 good doctors whose allegations against them were unfounded and unjust regarding the mistreatment of the Lancet 12. It is a sorry state of affairs when we find money is more important than life. Jesus is my saviour and my belief in God keeps me going and strong against these evil forces of greed corruption and no compassion and I talk about the pharmaceutical companies who are making a mint on our precious children and then they make more money because our children are very sick by giving more un-safe drugs.

I see you changed the title of the article from "The Vaccine Debate" to "An Ounce of Prevention." The first title doesn't make sense since this article is biased and one-sided, so I applaud you for that. The new title most definitely DOES make sense because that is all vaccines are: an ounce of prevention. An ounce of prevention in a sea of death and destruction caused by vaccines. Great change to the title.

Fear, fear, fear. That's what most of this article was full of. Where in here do I read about faith, prayer, revelation? Independent of science,w hich we all know if fickle, God knows what is best for us. Not vaccinating my 5 kids has been a choice I made not out of fear, but because of the peace I felt being prompted not to do it. That's all a parent needs to know. As to the other points (and I have been teaching a vaccine class since 1997, so this is far from speculative: >>As a physician, To start an article off like that is frankly manipulative and arrogant. Honestly, the fact that you are a physician should have no bearing on a parents decision. You should be handing the power over to the parent and God, who holds the ultimate responsibility and He is the Master Physician. Personally, I'm tired of doctor's thinking that their opinion is gold and above that of the parents own instincts. A "If it were my child..." statement coming from someone in authority I find is unethical. It's not your child, and to coerce someone out of fear and belittlement is unethical. >>>>especially when one considers the possibility of preventing such a tragedy. You speak as if 'Cody's' life is more valuable than the children who have suffered preventable vaccine induced injuries and death. That is quite insulting. Why don't you address the tragedy of preventable vaccine injuries as well? Or are you in denial that they aren't as serious or are you of the mindset that a few children's lives is the sacrifice we have to pay for vaccine success? >>> It is nothing short of amazing that so many intelligent people still passionately oppose vaccines. No Doctor, it is nothing short of amazing how insulting you are and how much denial YOU are in. Vaccines can destroy lives, and it's unconscionable that you would down play and minimize that. Intelligent people are making up the bulk of people not vaccinating. I find your condescending tone very arrogant, offputting and bullying. >>> The data is indisputable—vaccines have slowed or eradicated the spread of so many diseases. yes it is disputable. don't spew your opinion as a fact. I and many others dispute this opinion every day. >>>Your world and mine is currently safer because of widespread vaccination programs. see my previous comment. >>>All 50 states require certain vaccinations for all children entering public schools. Theya re not required in all 50 states, so that is wrong, and even if they were, it is a moot point to the discussion so I don't understand why it was brought up. >>>Even the LDS Church missionary medical department, overseen by a living prophet, requires a full allotment of vaccines for missionaries. Failure to get vaccinated can seriously limit where a missionary can serve. Why the church requires vaccines to serve in most overseas areas has not been something that has been addressed by the brethern. I think to insinuate that because they are required that theya re somehow given a blanket green light as something we should not go to the Lord in prayer over is very dangerous ground indeed. Yes, you can exempt yourself from getting vaccines as a missionary. >>> One such falsehood is the link between the MMR (measles, mumps, and rubella) vaccine and childhood autism. In short, there is no cause-and-effect relationship. The original article claiming this relationship in the medical journal The Lancet has been retracted. It was based on a group of 12 children in which parents of 9 of these children thought that symptoms of autism developed after receiving the MMR vaccine. This association has been disproven time and time again by several large-scale studies. Don’t take my word. . . . Look it up. Yeah, look it up and you will find that the whole scheme to witch hunt Wakefield over this was driven by Big Pharm and Rupert Murdoch. Glad that was finally exposed that the witch hunt was a fraud and that Wakefield's findings are once again valid and in fact were always valid. Leave it to the evils and designs of conspiring men in the last days to lead people astray. >>>There is no convincing evidence of harm caused by the low doses of thimerosal in vaccines, You may not be convinced, but others are. Mercury is toxic in any dose, period. >>> Since 2001 most vaccines have not contained thimerosal as a further precaution. yes, it was replaced by harvesting vaccines on human DNA ie aborted babies. This causes autism. We are not meant to ingest disease grown on our fellow humans. It's crazy to think that's the case, I know. >>> Finally there has been no causal relationship between vaccines and Guillain-Barre’ syndrome or SIDS in infants. Have you not read vaccine inserts at all? Cause they are right on the manufacturer's websites and they clearly state these risks. As a doctor, I would think you would read package inserts at least. Cause you are a doctor and everything. >>> They all come around within a few minutes. Fainting - he's referring to the Gardasil vaccine in particular. Yes, girls are fainting right and left over this vax and it happens so often that even the CDC admits it's can't be psychosomatic. But don't worry, fainting is nothing to be concerned about, they all come around - that vaccine that caused loss of consciousness in the brain can't possibly be doing any harm whatsoever. >>>Years of testing are required by law before a vaccine can be licensed. Really? H1N1 I think had 6 weeks of testing? You are WRONG on this for many vaccines. >>>Once in use, vaccines are continually monitored for safety and effectiveness. Also not true. A 3-6 month follow up is not monitoring in my opinion. >>>Diseases that once ravaged whole societies have been controlled. And tell me, how did leprosy and the black plague get under control without a vaccine? To attribute low diseases numbers overall to vaccines is a joke. Diseases have life cycles (ie the flu every winter, chicken pox in the spring, whooping cough every 4 years, polio every 50) and some just plain die out on their own. But it feels good and pads a lot of pockets to dsay that vaccines have saved the world when there is no real proof of that. >>>New and simpler methods of vaccination are being developed, including nanotechnology and even mosquito-delivered vaccines. Yep, a vaccine in your banana, are-sol vaccines that we inhale without knowling, tatoo vaccines, vaccines in cigarettes, vaccines harvested on aborted babies. Brave new world, aren't we lucky? LDSliving, please be more prayerful about what you put out there. Many of my friends who aren't LDS looked at this and asked me if it was doctrine and I had to explain that we believe in study, prayer and personal revelation in making such decisions and not blindly following the advice of doctors. The last thing we need is more people viewing us as sheeple. Luckily the large attendance LDS Holistic Living conference I do every year shows me that we are a thinking group of people who searches for ourselves. This was a poorly researched, manipulative opinion piece that had nothing to back it up in terms of research or real dialogue except to say that the author is a doctor, which no longer holds much weight, I'm afraid.

Amen and hallelujah.

Such information put out to the public does great damage to principle of real informed consent.

the principle

I think it was good, however, that LDS Living put this out there, so we could get this all out in the open. It is also good that LDS Living is providing this forum by way of the comments section so that this open discussion could occur...and so I thank LDS Living for providing this opportunity.

When I was young I relied on my parents testimony because I hadn't read the book of Mormon. Then I read it and knew that it was true. As a Chiropractor, I encourage all parents to be informed. According to the research, the alleged benefits do not outweigh the inherent risks in most cases. However, no one should just blindly follow, whichever path they choose. Be informed. Here is a link to an interview I did with Barbara Loe Fisher, the co-founder of National Vaccine Information Center. http://superiorhealthsummit.com/barbara-loe-fisher You can also get great information from their site: http://www.nvic.org/ Another very well written book is Evidence of Harm.

I am a physician that specializes in metabolic medicine, and my focus has been helping parents recover their children from autism. When I began this journey, I too believed that vaccinations were helpful, preventive, etc...then, during medical school, I began to question them because they did not correlate with my understanding of basic medical sciences, ie biochemistry, metabolic function, etc.....I actually questioned a lot of the medical "doctrine". My sincere, passionate research led me to places I never thought I would be, and gave me knowledge that I never expected. Their is one orchestra leader to this debaucle, and we must never forget it. No matter how badly we may want to believe that it cannot be as bad as people say it is worse, we must remember that evil is in diametric opposition to good. Please, do your research, and you too will find that things are not what they seem. The phrase "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" has taken on an exponentially more significant level of meaning for me through my experiences in relation to this topic, and I intend on doing whatever I can to help as many as I can. I can now show the loss of autism diagnosis, and the clearing of so called "mitochondrial dysfunction", and I do not believe that for one second genetic doom and agency can be reconciled..... I have stopped looking for evidence that vaccines cause neurologic and immunologic damage (it is overwhelming).... I now strive to help the victims..... Beginning Resources for those who would like to do their due diligence: - Vaccine Epidemic -The Age of Autism -Vaccine Safety Manual for Concerned Families and Health Practitioners: Neil Z. Miller -Make and Informed Vaccine Decision: Mayer Eisenstein, MD, JD, MPH -www.followingvaccinations.com ps. As a medical student on my search for truth, I did a rotation at Thoughtful House for Children. I sat down face to face with Dr. Andrew Wakefield, looked him in the eye, questioned him, looked over his data, spoke with families from all around the world there for treatment, and this experience literally changed my life) I testify to you that Dr. Wakefield is telling the truth, simply put, the evils and designs of conspiring men are actively working to destroy him) I know of only two other docs that did what I did and actually went to the "horses mouth", and we are all on the same page beyond a shadow of doubt.

((((BRAVO)))), doctors & thebirthsource. . .Quoting you thebirthsource>>>"Look it up. Yeah, look it up and you will find that the whole scheme to witch hunt Wakefield over this was driven by Big Pharm and Rupert Murdoch"........Absolutely...It's being said there's a witch hunt against Rupert Murdoch & his corrupt empire but there are too many awake now for them to keep up the pretense>>>"Murdoch's media malpractice and the genetic altering of human beings through DNA vaccines">>>>>>> http://www.naturalnews.com/033062_Rupert_Murdoch_Andrew_Wakefield.html....... Wakefield's frame up & orchestrated witch hunt was the Real McCoy & won't be covered up any longer...Media was quick to follow suit in Wakefield's smear campaign but nary a word from them concerning the real criminal who was recently indicted, Poul Thorsen...He was head scientist/researcher who ran off with the CDC's research money, & behind those Danish studies claiming no connection between vaccines & autism...Those studies were the main determination they used to fool our people but then too many of us began waking up.

"Murdoch and Vaccines - Exposure of Murdoch's Crimes Open Up A Much Larger Story">>> http://www.salem-news.com/articles/july172011/murdoch-vaccines-wn.php....... "... the evidence of sleazy and scandalous behavior of the Murdoch papers has expanded geometrically/Rupert Murdoch's news empire faces intense media and legal scrutiny."........ And that includes Fox News, too, which has too many people in America duped with their mean machine of spin that does nothing to help God's good children!

To elaborate on what thebirthsource was saying concerning Gardasil>>>"Gardasil HPV Vaccine Hoax Exposed">>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XK97CHQZhq0&feature=player_embedded#at=47

I meant to mention that video was from Mike Adams, the Health Ranger & it is a must see.

Dr J Taylor. Thank you for your testimony. I commend you for your honesty, integrity and courage, Sir.

Thank you Dr. J Taylor for your courage at a time when so few Dr.'s are willing to stand up for the truth. I have watched interviews with Dr. Wakefield and felt too that he is an honest and inspired man motivated by compassion for those suffering. Thank you for setting the record straight with your first hand testimony so that the readers of the original article will not be led astray by the lies created by conspiring men. Scroll down to the 2nd video in this article to see an interview with Dr. Wakefield: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/02/07/new-research-shows-link-between-mmr-vaccine-and-autism.aspx Amen to everything posted by thebirthsource. Keep spreading the truth and fighting the misinformation. If only the average pediatrician was as well researched as you! a People - please reread these posts by drjtaylor and thebirthsource and read information from those not in a position to profit from vaccine sales. The signs of the last days are at hand and if you think the world is not evil enough for Dr.'s and our government to mislead us so badly, then you are going to be sorely caught by surprise when you find out that you were deceived. Educate yourself and don't be afraid to ignore Dr.'s advice, or find a Dr. with a real education not gained from Pharma literature. While some are well intentioned, they are increasingly prone to be deceived themselves by the literature of Big Pharma.

You guys amaze me someone has a screen name 'drjtaylor' and you applaud him for his courage. But that is only because he is agreeing with your views, and because of that there is no questioning of his credentials or anything. Yet the doctor who wrote this has had his credentials questioned over and over...But that is how you all roll, if it goes along with what you want to believe accept with little to no question or thought, if it is against every blocker is put up because whomever said it is either part of the ‘conspiracy along with ‘Big Pharm and now Rupert Murdock it seems, or just stupid, retarded or maybe misguided and if they only would read this and ‘open up their minds to the truth’ they would see how right your position is! How arrogant you all are. ....'thebirthsource' said 'Why the church requires vaccines to serve in most overseas areas has not been something that has been addressed by the brethren. I think to insinuate that because they are required that they are somehow given a blanket green light as something we should not go to the Lord in prayer over is very dangerous ground indeed'…. WHERE in the article did the doctor say the Brethren have missionaries get vaccinated so don't pray about it? Talk about putting words into someone's mouth to push your own view point! You also said ‘ Yes, you can exempt yourself from getting vaccines as a missionary’ Strange that is EXACTLY what the Doctor said in the article when he said ‘Failure to get vaccinated can seriously limit where a missionary can serve’ which means a missionary does not have to be vaccinated and that will limit where the missionary will serve. Which is true. Was it too difficult for you to understand? Or did you simply feel the need to twist what was said to make the doctor sound like he was lair? If you LISTEN to the Brethren when they speak or write you will discover they have often spoken/written about the blessing of vaccinations in the world today, I think you can come to some conclusions that they might just believe it is a good thing, a 'Blessing from God' as one of the 12 said. If you talk a little time out form searching websites that only talk about your own views and search the Official church website for vaccination and immunization you might learn some things. It is touched on in lesson manuals and in talks by the 12. So read those and pray about it. The doctor who wrote this article actually says, 'I encourage my patients to become educated about their concerns'. He is not forcing his views on anyone he is sharing his experience with others, listen or don't, but don't force your view on those that do agree with vaccination. You live longer today in part because of the medical breakthroughs that have happened. While I pray about these things as we all should, when the Brethren say to me in a conference talk that vaccinations are a blessing from God, I do listen as well as pray. Will you? Or will you do what all that disagree with something that the Brethren say, and think, ‘well he is just a man and is wrong on that one’. For the most part of you I think that you would go with the last option and that is a shame, but your decision

We are over vaccinating. I predict more and more vaccines will be pedaled to adult so big pharma can make more money. I wouldn't trust a.doctor who believes pharma funded studies. They also give big money to poloticians and lobbiests. Symptoms treated with drugs too often instead of nutrition which most western taught doctors no little about, thus heart disea and diabetes off the charts ; why should we believe they reall undersyand healthcare. They understand sick cate.ut. Most anti-vaccinators are worried about autism, there's a 100 other things to worryabout. J ust the amount of aluminum alone is dangerous.

You amaze me, fooruku. All this proof people posted for you to research & you still deny?...Truly Amazing!.......I really was hoping to hear from the few of you here who have been challenging the truth so many here have been trying to show you...I hope everyone remembers to pray for those all over the world who will not or cannot see the truth...There's a brand new God project...Yes, it's truly spiritual & it's sweeping the globe...I'll post the story later of how it was born to show you the signs given to Marcella Piper-Terry who began this Billboard project...We have yet to find someone to make us links so those who don't have Face Book accounts can see...But for those who are on Face Book, you can view this great & awesome "Sign" project>>>EXTRA EXTRA, READ ALL ABOUT IT/GLOBAL BILLBOARD PROJECT TURNING TABLE....... We're making history. Get on board & help save children from further vaccine injury & death... Make & ask everyone you know to make donations at our brand new website>>>VaxTruth.Org... This is a global project... Regarding donations being sent by snail mail, here's the address: VaxTruth, Inc. PO Box 695 Meridian, ID 83680. We are officially incorporated... Share these videos & pictures taken by Marcella Piper-Terry, founder, of the "Sign" project>>> This video was shot on the west side of Evansville, Indiana on August 9, 2011>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMNg-y6SdA4&feature=related... East side>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=id-Qvs26_pA&feature=related... Here are awesome pictures of the first 2 billboards in Evansville, Indiana. Notice the irony of our sign being right by the CVS pharmacy where they have their little sign advertising flu shots>>> https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.2266780476839.135806.1468367643... Texas too>>> https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=259203137440494&set=p.259203137440494&type=1&theater... Share this message far & wide. Soon these billboards may be coming to a location near you... DIG DEEP & AS OFTEN AS ABLE BECAUSE IF WE DON'T SOUND THE WARNINGS & SAVE OUR CHILDREN, NO ONE WILL!

Oh wow, we all better stop breathing, eating and drinking, wearing clothes and don't even think about traveling anywhere. Unfortunately there are risks involved with living. Yes, Heavenly Father put us on the earth with diseases, but He also gave us the brains to come up with cures and preventative measures. Perhaps children who develop Autistic disorders are meant to have them - I know terrible thing to say - but what if? Aren't we all here to be tested? If we are so worried about vaccinations, then perhaps we should stop eating, drinking, breathing as they are all dangerous to our health. Foods are grown with fertilizers, they wash into our water and our air is well polluted with pollutants as well. Let's all live in our own little bubbles, because we don't want anything foreign in our bodies. Really this bickering over what is personal choice is childish and stupid. You are arguing over something that we have been given the right to decide. The anger coming from these posts is far from Christ-like. "the greatest trick the devil ever made was convincing the world he didn't exist." - The Usual Suspects. Who do you think is winning when we argue like this??

This just in so those without Face Book can see our billboards>>>"VaxTruth.org Launches School Vaccination Opt-Out Campaign "No Shots, No School, NOT TRUE!" >>>>>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zH6dktLf87k&feature=youtu.be

We're not arguing...And we're not angry with you who believe vaccines are a good thing...But we are angry with those with vested interests who have duped so many people in the name of error & greed...And you are right, minxy, about the other toxins delivered to us by air, food & water & there are actions going on all over the world to stop big corporations from continuing to poison our people those ways, too.

Internet searches will reveal many actions going on world wide, simultaneously, to stop all the toxins let loose on us by those we trusted with our health & well being...Here are just a few...Protect our food>>>"Take Action to Protect Your Family from GMOs"........ Read more: http://www.motherearthnews.com/natural-home-living/take-action-to-protect-your-family-from-gmos.aspx#ixzz1VDHgsOTk

Poisoned by air>>>"Congressman Admits Chemtrail's"........ http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/chemtrailsindex.htm........ Hear this weatherman & see the last couple of comments, at least...I wondered why the weather station would show rain coming but many times it just didn't...Now we know why>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qc0TWVtozio

Poisoned by water>>> "Tell your Congressional representatives you want an end to fluoridation now"......."Over 2,000 professionals have signed a STATEMENT being distributed by the Fluoride Action Network (FAN) calling for an end to water fluoridation worldwide. Signers include a Nobel Prize winner, three members of the landmark 2006 National Research Council report on fluoride’s toxicology, three officers in the Union representing professionals at EPA headquarters, the Executive Board of the American Academy of Environmental Medicine, leading fluoride researchers, and medical, dental, scientific and environmental professionals from around the world.">>>>>>> http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/2477/t/2782/campaign.jsp?campaign_KEY=21960

Good News>>> The Department Of Health has ordered the gradual phase out of devices containing mercury in all health care facilities, saying that the substance is "highly toxic" especially when metabolized into methyl mercury. >>> http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/nation/metro-manila/08/21/08/doh-orders-phase-out-‘highly-toxic’-mercury-devices-hospitals That means dental fillings, too, that they have known for years adds to the toxic soup mix that takes so much toll in synergy on so many.

Until I can get another link for those who don't have Face Book...Here's the story I promised I'd send of how the Billboard project was born>>> https://www.facebook.com/notes/marcella-piper-terry/happy-birthday-max-heres-your-sign/10150262357168533.......I went to Marcella's wall, expecting, to scroll way back to find it for you & there it was, right up front, posted on the top of her wall...I say, how's that for a sign, huh?...God works like that, right?...^smile^

I know this will all scrunch up & the pictures won't show but for those who don't have Face Book & may want to know the story>>> HAPPY BIRTHDAY MAX. HERE'S YOUR SIGN....by Marcella Piper-Terry on Thursday, 04 August>>>>>>>> I don't think I have ever been as nervous as I am at this moment. This whole thing started last week after I read a front page article in the Evansville Courier & Press Newspaper. The article was titled, "Sticking to the schedule" and was written for the purpose of informing parents what vaccines their children "have to have" in order to attend public school in Indiana. As I read the article, I was struck by the fact that there was no information about parents' legal right to religious exemption. There was some vague wording, "Waivers could be obtained in special circumstances," which to me seemed misleading, making it sound like these "waivers" are hard to get. I have to back up a bit. I don't usually get the Courier & Press Newspaper and I didn't buy it on the day when I read the above-mentioned article. I didn't even see it the day it came out. I happened across it while sitting in the waiting room of the Trauma ICU at Deaconess Hospital in Evansville. I was there with a dear friend whose brother was nearly killed in a motorcycle accident. If I hadn't been there with Donna, I would never have seen the newspaper in the first place. But I did. God works that way. The article ran on the front page of the newspaper on Monday, July 25th. I was at the hospital on Tuesday, July 26th. Since it was already a day-old paper, I took it with me when I left, figuring no one there would miss it (or need it as much as I did). It was just one of those things where I knew I had to take it with me. When I got home I went to the Courier & Press online and looked up the article with the intention of commenting on it. That's when I saw the video of a nurse at the Vanderburgh County Health Department giving multiple vaccines to a young boy and proclaiming, "They all turn out just fine" and joking, "We haven't killed anyone yet!" I really do try to live my life peacefully. I feel like I have been at war over the last several years and am suffering from combat fatigue. There are many times when I just want to crawl in my bed, pull the covers over my head and pretend I never even heard of autism or vaccine-injury. Sometimes I do just that. I take a vacation from reality and pretend that I am just a mother and a grandmother living in a small town in Southwestern Indiana. I pretend that my children are healthy and life will play out just the way it should. Then something happens to snap me back to reality and I realize that for me, this is life just as it was meant to be. There is a reason my daughter had to get sick. If she hadn't, I would never have become involved in this war in the first place. It's too late now. Just like the military, I can't quit. And whenever I begin to think I can, My SUPREME COMMANDER does something to remind me that quitting is not an option. That's what He did when he put that newspaper in front of me. It's sort of like when Bill Engvall says, "Here's your sign!" but on a different level entirely. What has followed in the days after reading that article and watching that video has been a whirlwind of writing. I have written several blogposts and notes on facebook about what's been happening here. I won't go into that in this note. Let's just say that it's been enormously frustrating trying to get our local media to print anything about parents' concerns about vaccine safety or about the legal right to religious exemption. It AIN'T happening. Period. At one point several days ago I was ready to give up. The comments section on the Courier & Press article had been disabled and the experiences shared by parents of vaccine-injured children were removed completely. Then our comments were removed from the Courier & Press facebook page. Then many of us were blocked from the page altogether. I was so frustrated I didn't know what to do. So I went to bed. But first, I prayed. And I asked my friends to pray for me. My standard prayer when I don't know what to do is, "God... if this is your will, please show me what I need to see." When I got up the next morning I was still so tired and just plain weary, and I was beginning to get frustrated with God for not answering me in a timely fashion. I was hoping He would have sent the answer in a dream or given me some sort of miraculous vision. As I think back on it now, it seems like I must have been on the verge of crossing my arms, tapping my foot and looking at my watch. I'm glad now that I didn't do that. While I'm absolutely certain that God has a sense of humor (and I KNOW he has patience because he's still working with ME after all these years!), I am very thankful that I didn't test Him at that particular time. What I did instead is what I do almost every morning lately. I made a cup of green tea and sat down at the computer. After checking my email and scanning the Courier & Press online to make sure there were no more articles about back-to-school shots, I turned to facebook. That's when I got it. Literally. "HERE'S YOUR SIGN!" I don't remember at this moment who it was that had posted the photograph. It wasn't one of the facebook friends I regularly communicate with. But there it was. The photograph of a billboard that reads "No Shots, No School... NOT TRUE!!!" I think it was probably at this moment when I uttered what was one of the heaviest sighs of my life. If you've ever had that feeling of, "What have I done?" you know what I'm talking about. It's that sense of, "Oh, God. This is too much. I didn't really want to do THAT much." Too late. When you get orders from THE SUPREME COMMANDER, refusing is just not an option. Believe me, I've tried. I learned some time ago that if I don't do as I'm told, this is not going to go away, it's just going to get bigger. So, in the interest of compliance and to save myself the pain of paying the price for disobedience, I started a fundraiser. I posted on facebook that I was going to raise money to put up a billboard in Evansville, Indiana so that parents here could have the information they need to make informed decisions about vaccinating their kids. For the last few days I have been working like a crazy person (that's easy for me...), listing things on ebay and asking people for donations. My kids have been very patient (for the most part). They have let me do what they know by now I must do. I have to tell you that I have never checked into renting a billboard before. I figured it would be expensive, but I had no idea just how MUCH it would cost. I played phone tag for a couple of days with the salesperson from the Evansville office of Lamar Outdoor Advertising, but finally she and I connected. When we started talking I prepared myself for the possibility that she would tell me, "We can't run something like that. It's too controversial." (Remember, this is Evansville, Indiana.) I started off by telling Nicole what had happened with the Courier & Press. I told her, "We are not telling people not to vaccinate. We are just asking the media to please report in an unbiased manner and let parents know the truth about their legal rights." I followed this with the disclaimer, "I'm really not just some nut-job. I'm the mother of a vaccine-injured child who almost died after receiving one shot. People need to know that the recommended childhood schedule has never been studied for safety." The response I got from Nicole was, "I don't think you're a nut-job." She then proceeded to tell me about a friend whose toddler was "perfectly healthy" until he got his shots for preschool and then decended into severe autism. Nicole also told me that she has been concerned about vaccines and stated her wish that I had called sooner, as she has just (last week) taken her own daughter in for her "well-baby visit" during which she received the standard multiple vaccinations as per the recommended schedule. This led to a fairly lengthy conversation about how to help protect her baby from the toxic effects of vaccines. I gave Nicole the web address of my blog and promised to send her some information from Russell Blaylock about protecting against vaccine damage. This is how God works. Every task He gives us leads to another opportunity. Each connection we make leads to more opportunities and the chance to save His children. I sent Nicole the photo of the billboard I had seen on facebook. She said she would need to get it approved by her supervisor. (Uh-oh, I thought). She told me that he was very open-minded and she felt pretty sure he would approve it, which he did. The one caveat was that there has to be a contact listed at the bottom, "In case there are any complaints." (Heavy sigh.) Please God, I'm going to need a big shield and some armor. This is Indiana. Home of Ely Lily, the company that came up with the idea of putting thimerosal in vaccines so many decades ago. As scary as the thought of being the target of backlash is, that was not my only concern. As I said, I've never rented a billboard before. I was prepared for the cost to be in the hundreds of dollars a month range. The quote I got was, "$3,438 to run the message for one week on all four digital billboards in Evansville." My heart sank. How in the world am I going to raise $3,500 in less than a week. The time crunch has to do with the fact that school starts here next week. My goal had been to raise enough money to get the message out prior to the first day of school, so that last-minute parents (like me) who have waited (either because they are too busy or because they are scared of what may happen as a result of vaccinating) would get the message in time to look further and learn about their rights and about vaccines before blindly obeying the message put out by the Courier & Press. My biggest fear is that so many families here are uninformed and feel they have no choice. We're all strapped financially. If people HAVE jobs they need to keep them. They can't afford to stay home and home-school and they can't afford to take off from work when the schools send their kids home (as happened last year) because they aren't "up-to-date" on their vaccinations. Talk about having a gun to your head. Anyway, I told Nicole that I didn't think I could come up with the money. Then she said I could run the message on two billboards (one on the east side of town and one on the west side) for one week for $1,984. That's still a lot more than I was counting on, but it's much better. I told her I believed I could do it and stated firmly "I know this is going to happen." (The firmness was just as much for me as it was for Nicole.) Heavy sigh. Too late to back out. I've already got people contributing to the cause. Remember, this is like the military. Once you're in, you can't quit. So this is where I was yesterday. I have several things listed on ebay and several things more to list. Suddenly, my camera battery won't charge. I start using Leah's camera and bought some rechargeable batteries for it. I'm back in business. Suddenly, those batteries won't charge, either. (Have I mentioned yet that when God wants my attention, He doesn't mess around. He just hits me right where it hurts. I guess that's because He knows how hard-headed I am. Subtlety would be lost on me when I'm on a mission, so He just doesn't bother with it.) Okay. Now what? Like an intercom switched on in my head I hear, "You're thinking too small." As I sometimes do, I decide to ignore the intercom. How can I be thinking too small? I am working my ass off here. I don't need this right now. Since I'm on a forced break at this time, I decide to check facebook. This is when I get the message from my friend, Marsha McLelland. I love Marsha. But I really did NOT want to hear what she had to say. The message she sent was something like this, "What a great idea! We need to take this to the next level and put these signs all over the country!" Now, don't get me wrong. Marsha is a Rock Star. She is so committed and works tirelessly to advocate for the safety of children. But, damn it! I'm just me. I'm just a mother and a grandmother living in Southwestern Indiana and at this point it looks like I'm NEVER going to get back to my bed and those covers. This is when I hear the voice in my head saying, "You asked me to show you what you need to see." This is also when I hear my mother in my head saying, "Be careful what you ask for; you just might get it." (Heavy sigh.) So here's the deal... I know this is a long note and it's not over yet, so please... bear with me. I have agreed to write this note, asking for help. We must do this. Trust me. Once you read this, if you turn your back, it's not going to be pretty. At this very moment I am reminded of a phrase from an old television sitcom (can't recall which), "God'll getcha for that!" Please don't take that as a threat. It's just the way my mind works. Anyway, I have agreed to write this note with the intent of sharing it and getting the message out through facebook. Sort of like a cyber flash-mob thing, if that's an applicable analogy. That is a daunting task. If I mess it up, it's on me. I can't handle that kind of pressure alone, so once again, I called in THE EXPERT - THE SUPREME COMMANDER. I asked for help. I asked my facebook friends to pray for me and I asked God to give me what I need to know to make this happen, if it is His Will. I posted my request for prayer on my profile page. I also posted it on the Vaccine Resistance Movement (VRM) facebook page. Almost immediately I got a response from a man named Steve. This is what he wrote, "Max would have been 2 today....he will guide you and give you strength!" I have never interacted with Steve before today and I had never heard of Max. I was immediately engulfed with such an overwelming feeling of sadness and the tears started flowing. Me crying is not an unusual thing, I am moved to tears very easily. This was different. I couldn't stop crying and I was filled with a profound sadness that I can't recall feeling in a long time, if ever. I sat and cried for a while. Then I went to Steve's facebook page and I saw the photos of Max. As I sat looking at this gorgeous child I started getting the message loud and clear, "Use me." I fought that for a while. I left the computer and washed the dishes. Then I cleaned up the countertops. Then I scooped out the litter box. The entire time I kept getting the same message: "Use me." As I walked out the door from the hall to the garage and back in again, I caught myself thinking, I need to hold his hand because he's so small. Finally, I sat back down at the computer and wrote this message to Steve: Steve: Thank-you for introducing me to Max. He is with me. I almost feel awkward writing this message to you and am having difficulty making my fingers type this question, but I keep getting the clear message, "Ask" "Use me." I have been to your profile page and seen the photos of your beautiful son. I admit I had never heard of Max before today, though I had seen your posts on VRM. I can only imagine how much your heart is breaking today. When I read your comment I immediately felt such huge sorrow and am having trouble stopping the tears from flowing - and I never even met Max until now. I believe there is a reason for everything and Max's death will not be in vain. I know that is such small comfort to you, but this is the message I am getting. As I said, this is so hard for me to write. My head is telling me "Do NOT take advantage of this father's grief..." but Max is telling me (I know, I sound crazy) - but MAX is TELLING me, "Use me" I'm so sorry. I started to type, "I don't know what to say." But then erased that because I do know what to say, I'm just having such a difficult time saying it. May I tell Max's story? There. I said it. I asked the father of a dead baby if I could use his story to raise money. That feels so dirty to me. But it's not. Max can help. He can do this so other parents don't have to go through what you and Mom have gone through. Please tell me what happened. Marci After writing the message I did what for me is one of the hardest things in the world to do. I waited. I felt as though I couldn't start writing this note until I heard back from Steve. So I sat here at the computer going through my facebook friends list and thinking about who to tag when the note was finished. Suddenly I knew it was time to start writing. So I started. I had no idea where this was going to go at the time, but I knew it was time to begin. After a while, I got a message back from Steve. Here is what he wrote: yes thats fine ....Joel Lord is putting together a small story of Max's life. might be best if we all work together to get this right I thanked Steve and asked him to have Joel message me the information when it was complete. Then I went back to this note. A while later I got the message from Joel Lord. Here is an excerpt of what he wrote: A family in the UK recently lost their baby boy, "22 months at death", following post vaccination adverse drug interactions. Up until that point their baby had received the full slate of injections typical for his age group. At 6 months he began to experience ongoing convulsions/seizures. His neurologist then chose to prescribe him a set of experimental drugs (none of which are officially licensed for use in infants): 'Sodium Valproate' or 'Valproic Acid' (Anticonvulsant, antipsychotic - anti-seizure medication),'Keppra' or 'Levetiracetam' (antiepileptic drug) & 'Clobazam' (benzodiazepine type anticonvulsant) - ostensibly to quell his seizures. Initially he was put on a combination of Sodium Valproate & Keppra. A decision was then made to switch Keppra for Clobazam, as, per the neurologist in charge, "It was clearly making him worse." There was speculation of possible Dravet's Syndrome (severe myoclonic epilepsy in infancy). At no time during this phase were the parents ever consulted or briefed on the authorization of these drug combinations given to their child. The parents, now estranged, marked the date of what would have been their child's 2nd birthday in solemn remembrance of their son; born 04 08 2009, died 21 06 2011. The father duly noted "Each time he was given shots he seemed to have seizures...overdose symptoms were heart block, coma, death." ...one glaring factor remains that we must consider - a family put their trust in an Industry sworn to protect the innocent. And yet they were not briefed on the synergistic nature of anti-seizure medications when combined. Nor were they prepared for the seizures which suddenly gripped their child at 6 months, the result of vaccine induced Encephalitis, inflammation of the brain & meninges (Meningoencephalitis) manifesting as ‘diffuse and/or focal neuropsychological dysfunction‘. Whose responsibility was this? Certainly most parents aren't versed in the hard science & reasoning behind vaccine methodology. Who can blame them given these hurried modern times? But if that is the case, then isn't it the obligation of doctors making these pivotal life-changing decisions to have all the facts straight beforehand? This child is unfortunately gone. But the message still resonates and his legacy will hopefully serve as a burning light of truth for parents throughout our communities, that it is now time to step back and rethink the entire concept of "herd immunity". - Excerpts from 'VRM: The Problem With Vaccines Part 4A - Primary Aspects of Vaccine Toxicity Affecting The Body' by Joel Lord, founder of Vaccine Resistance Movement I am a firm believer that when someone dies a traumatic or wrongful death, the soul can be stuck hanging around trying to make sense of what happened. I believe this is the case with Max. I believe this is why I felt such an enormous feeling of grief immediately after reading his father's comment. I also believe this is part of my mission, and I believe we owe it to Max to allow him to rest in peace, knowing that his death will not be for nothing. So today, on what would have been Max's second birthday, I am asking all 1707 of my facebook friends to please contribute $1.00 to fund the billboard project. I am also asking all of my 1707 facebook friends to forward this note and ask your friends to do the same. Contributions can be made by visiting the VaxTruth website: www.vaxtruth.org. Please put in the message section, "Happy Birthday Max. Here's Your Sign." With God's love and blessings and my undying gratitude, Marci>>>>>>>>{ADDED NOTE BY ME}...Here was a picture of dear little Max>>> Max. A beautiful child who would have celebrated his 2nd birthday today, August 4, 2011. Max suffered and died on June 21, 2011. His death was the result of vaccine-injury>>>>>>>>Here was the original sign/billboard, Marcella saw>>> This is the photo I saw on facebook, which spurred the idea of putting up billboards. The goal of this mission is to inform parents of their rights and to encourage parents to learn more about vaccinations before giving consent. Afterwards, it may be too late>>>Here is the first awesome billboard that was right by the CVS & their little sign urging people to take the toxic flu jab, ironically, dwarfed under it.......Marcella closed with>>> Happy Birthday, Max. Here's Your Sign. Thank-you to everyone who has contributed. Together we raised more than $2,000 in just over 24 hours. This is one of two signs now up in Evansville, Indiana. This is just the beginning! Let's keep the momentum going so we can get them up across America and in nations across the globe!

I would suggest mofmars333, that if you feel so passionately about this you stand for local, state or federal elections, as commenting on sites such as this only gets you worked up and still nothing changes. There is always going to be opposition in all things. There is also no reason for you to have to deal with any of the 'toxic' items you post about. In all seriousness you could live like the Amish, but I imagine that you like your car (that pollutes the air), the convienince of a supermarket and fast-food (animals produce methane) and obviously your Internet. These vaccines do work, have a look at the good they are in doing in places like Africa, where infant and child mortality are down, because they are not dying from preventable diseases. Having seen children sick from pertusis I would be vaccinating my children. I hope that your children don't get a preventable disease and then die because of it, or pass it on to another child who dies. How would you feel if a doctor came up to you and said if you had vaccinated your child this would not have happened?

minxy says>>>>>>"How would you feel if a doctor came up to you and said if you had vaccinated your child this would not have happened?"...I would proceed to educate such a doctor as we are, sincerely, trying to do here, minxy...

'mofmars333' how interesting, what you say and post is the truth for all to read and if we don't agree we are fools. And how do you KNOW it is the truth? I have prayed and been told to vaccinate, you have prayed and been told not to! Did God decide differently for us both? OR do we all go to him without an open mind and so hear only what we want to? I have read some of the links you and yours have posted and most are on dodgy websites for the most part and wanting me to buy something to get more of the truth. For you and those like you that KNOW the truth about 'evil Pharma' not one of you have had the guts to go to the Church website and look at those links. You have spent hours on this site and in between post obviously searching your little websites put up by zealots against vaccination. when do you have time for your family, study (of anything other than 'evil Pharma' work (if you do) etc. The Lord says we should be balanced in our life, it is when we become so focused on one thing that we begin to fall. Lets blame everything bad that happens on Big Pharma the NWO and Rupert Murdock, at least then we don't need to accept responsibility, and if we believe it and few other do, we can feel so much more superior, and you do feel superior don't you mofmars333 and all your friends that still post here, have you noticed that your all pretty much on your own. I drop back every so often to see if you have picked up that you have bored everyone away with your one sided blind to all other views approach, I suspect your life is much the same. Open your eyes and study both sides to the issue.

fooruku, Please do not take offense at what I say, I am not attacking you, simply trying to share my personal experiences doctorjtaylor is: my first initial which stands for Jerry and my last name Taylor. I have no need of a screen name because I have nothing to hide or be ashamed of (please do not thinnk I am criticizing the use of one, I just do not see a need for them). I would be glad to discuss this issue in more detail with anyone. Not too long ago, II was asked by friends and colleagues to travel to SLC and meet with the Medical Director of Deseret Mutual who also happens to be physician to President Monson. I asked him what they base thier vaccine policies for missionaries on, and he said they follow the CDC recommendations. This I expected, then he recommended that we go to Deseret News to share the information we desired with the public. It truly takes much more diligence than most of us are willing to put forth to understand this issue in total (not the only arena). Here are a couple of examples to emphasize that things are not always what they seem, and the unified effort by certain entities/individuals to vilify and destroy Dr. Wakefield.....:and even his impeccably credentialed colleagues.. 1) His accusers blame him for the drop in vaccinations in the UK, but he never recommended not vaccinating, only to use monovalent vaccines as a precaution to avoid possible dangers known assiciated with the mmr (triple infection, who gets all three of these at the same time?, do you know of anybody that has?). Shortly after, the pharmaceutical companies actually stopped making the monovalent vaccines available, and this is when the numbers of children being vaccinated with mmr dropped, it was simply a case of educated parental choice (we call it agency). Nobody should criticize anyone for doing the best they know how to care for their children and families (I do not, and never will). 2) The paper in the Lancet was not a study, it was a case series and not a case control study or randomized control trial (look it up). For those of us who understand the differences it is extroardinarily pertinent. 3) I was involved in scoping and taking biopsies of the GI tracts of children while at Thoughtful House. These biopses were then sent to independant labs and the vaaccine strain viruses were cultured successfully. We also took biopses from unvaccinated siblings and found the same vaccine strain viruses in the tissues of these children's GI tracts (horizontal transmission much like a cold/flu travels around the children in a family). We are being convinced to be afraid of things we should not be and not afraid of things we should be vary leary of. I could literally go on for hours over the details that very few know or care to find out, but I do not have time to do so, because I am busy trying to help parents repair the damage to their children. The parents just want to heal their children, not fight the establishment, family members, etc... This is a clear attack on the family, and one of the most destructive to date (as President Benson said "not a conspiracy theory, it is a conspiracy fact). Yes, we all know about the obvious easily identified attack directions, but it is the subtle methods that hoodwink most of us (I am not immune), even the very elect. Oh yeah, as a father of five children, and having one of them severely affected by his vaccines (this was years prior to even considering medical school). I lost all confidence in the "health care" portion of our medical system through personal experiences. I went from a believer in the system to a very educated and aware parent. I then continued my education, and now feel called to serve in the field of HEALTH CARE. In case you are wondering, my son is now neurotypical and will have his eagle scout by age 14. I do not want to argue, because it is about as affective as (my father would say) tits on a boar, much like arguing about the gospel. I simply want to educate and let people govern themselves without judgement or criticism. Please go to www.ageofautism.com, Dr. Mayer Eisenstein's website, www.tacanow.org, read The Age of Autism, or Vaccine Epidemic, etc....the data is endless. You can also go to the gov. websites, and main stream allopathic medical sites and institutions to get both sides of it. We must work together to overcome this catastrophe...... One more thing, anyone can pick apart almost any argument, and that is why I rarely comment (due to accusations like the one above about my "screen name"). My time is valuable, and I am seeing children recover, but the parents need more support, and the only way for that to happen is higher awareness of the public at large. I will be glad to take details of this discussion off of the fourm for anyone who is interested....my email is on my website www.nurturinghope.net.....doctorjtaylor@gmail.com Here are a couple of quotes by some significant individuals: yes, there is humor in the last one.... There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all argument, and which cannot fail to keep man in everlasting ignorance. That principle is condemnation without investigation. Herbert Spencer (1820-1903) "Unless we put medical freedom into the Constitution, the time will come when medicine will organize into an undercover dictatorship to restrict the art of healing to one class of Men and deny equal privileges to others; the Constitution of the Republic should make a Special privilege for medical freedoms as well as religious freedom." — Benjamin Rush "Did you know that the whooping cough germ, Bacillus pertussis, when injected into animals, has long been known to lead to the secretion of insulin? In 1979, at the Fourth International Symposium on Pertussis, held in Bethesda, Maryland, it was shown that this same result occurs in those who have received pertussis vaccine. In their publication, "Adverse Reactions after Pertussis Vaccination," Drs. W. Hennessen and U. Quast suggest, "It seemed of interest to examine these reactions in comparison with the hypoglycemia syndrome.. . .There was a close relation between the two.’ If your child has juvenile diabetes (a disease characterized by wide swings in blood sugar levels), ask your doctor if he has ever heard of this effect of whooping cough vaccine. Maybe it’s time to investigate whether the pertussis vaccine has anything to do with the rapidly rising number of people with juvenile diabetes, adult diabetes, and hypoglycemic all disorders of insulin metabolism."---Dr Mendelsohn MD (the Peoples Doctor Vol 6 No10) Medical students are further softened up by being maliciously fatigued. The way to weaken a person’s will in order to mold him to suit your purposes is to make him work hard, especially at night, and never give him a chance to recover. You teach the rat to race. The result is a person too weak to resist the most debilitating instrument medical school uses on its students: fear. If I had to characterize doctors, I would say their major psychological attribute is fear. They have a drive to achieve security-plus that’s never satisfied because of all the fear that’s drummed into them in medical school: fear of failure, fear of missing a diagnosis, fear of malpractice, fear of remarks by their peers, fear that they’ll have to find honest work. There was a movie some time ago that opened with a marathon dance contest. After a certain length of time all the contestants were eliminated except one. Everybody had to fail except the winner. That’s what medical school has become. Since everybody can’t win, everybody suffers from a loss of self-esteem. Everybody comes out of medical school feeling bad. Doctors are given one reward for swallowing the fear pill so willingly and for sacrificing the healing instincts and human emotions that might help their practice: arrogance. To hide their fear, they’re taught to adopt the authoritarian attitude and demeanor of their professors. "I would consider the risks associated with measles vaccination unacceptable even if there were convincing evidence that the vaccine works. There isn't. While there has been a decline in the incidence of the disease, it began long before the vaccine was introduced. In 1958 there were about 800,000 cases of measles in the United States, but by 1962-the year before a vaccine appeared-the number of cases had dropped by 300,000. During the next four years, while children were being vaccinated with an ineffective and now abandoned "killed virus" vaccine, the number of cases dropped another 300,000. In 1900 there were 13.3 measles deaths per 100,000 population. By 1955, before the first measles shot, the death rate had declined 97.7 percent to only 0.03 deaths per 100,000."--Dr Mendelsohn MD "I'm reminded of a debate the famous pediatrician Robert Mendelsohn, MD had with a psychiatrist. The panelist asked them about the Family Bed (everyone sleeping together). "It's a terrible idea," said the psychiatrist. "I'd never sleep with my children. It fosters dependency, it confuses them sexually, it's just plain wrong." The moderator asked if Dr. Mendelsohn would care to respond. "I agree with the psychiatrist," said Dr. Mendelsohn. "Psychiatrists should not sleep with their children. But for everyone else, it's just wonderful. I gives infants the warmth and security they seek. It enhances emotional health and it brings the family closer."--Ted Koren DC

Thank you for sharing those additional insights, Dr Taylor.

...another excerpt from some of the material found in the above-referenced-search...this one from 12-6-09... ...you certainly have every right to decide what is best for your family; and I wish your family well after the procedure. The problem on the horizon, however -- goes much deeper than mere criticism...it goes to whether or not one has the right to exercise one's moral agency to choose... ...from the initial post at the top: Additional Info: to see an extremely hard hitting interview on the absolute fraud and danger of vaccines... http://www.youtube.com/user/dconrad000 ...There you will also learn about a simple tool to viralize the truth about vaccines. The more people that know the truth, the harder it will be to force these vaccines on those of us that would rather put our trust in God, eating right, our own immune systems, natural remedies, faith and prayer...and of course, the protective power of the Priesthood and of the Promise of the Word of Wisdom. It is imperative that we fight to be able to exercise our moral agency to choose what may or may not be injected into our own bodies -- and that of our children. If you don't have the right to do even that...you are indeed, a slave. You see, since 9/11; under the guise of security for the homeland; laws have been enacted that under certain conditions (a declared level 6 pandemic, which we are now in) [of which we were in at time of that writing]; the government, by those laws which they have quietly slipped into place; at their discretion -- can force everyone -- man, woman, child...to be vaccinated... ...so this is indeed, a very important and vital topic we are broaching here. I say, let the people who believe in vaccinations, get vaccinated if they so desire...and let those that do not, refrain if that is their desire. ...and in the mean-time, I feel compelled to tell as many as I can -- what I know to be the truth about vaccines. People are free to believe me; or not believe me...and act accordingly. ...and this one, from 12-31-09... ..."I have been warning everyone to not take these shots. I thought I was getting somewhere. Then one of my best friends - I thought - stood up in Testimony meeting and told everyone that the shot was not harmful and I knew she was taking a jab at me. I was so upset !!! But what can I do ?? Nothing - even my husband took the H1N1 shot after I told him NO. It's been almost a month and he is now tired ALL the time and sleeps most of the day and night and he has stopped going to church. He thinks it is depression and the medication he is on. But I am feeling it is something else - The H1N1 shot." -------- Despite the frustrations which you have expressed, God bless you for your efforts. When one is not on the same page as their spouse with respect to this vital issue, that is a serious problem...and a serious problem justifies a serious counter-measure. Therefore, I suggest that you might want to conduct a “little” infowar campaign on behalf of your husband (...after all, is that not upon which we were seriously engaged, in the pre-existence...and did we not fight hardest there, for the ones we cared the most about?). With respect to convincing someone about the truth concerning vaccinations... ...in the very difficult cases, the trick is to get them to look at something that will quickly (within about 1/2 an hour) overwhelm them with undeniable truth and logic as to the following: 1. The efficacy of vaccinations is based upon highly deceptive and fraudulent information. 2. Vaccinations are absolutely documented to be risky; and can, and do cause serious damage to many people. 3. Many of today’s vaccines are built upon a foundation of cells that are derived from the tissues of deliberately killed and aborted human babies (i.e. little, innocent defenseless people – wherein the most innocent of blood was shed). Learning the truth of that last point alone, should disturb all good people everywhere (in the Church and out)...about the entire practice of allowing themselves; their children; and grandchildren, to be injected with vaccines. ...and so, to continue...I have a suggestion for you – that should help you to prevail in this particular infowar campaign, with respect to your husband... See if you can get him to watch with you, the 36-minute video found on my youtube channel – which is the interview that was conducted on 9-6-09. Here is the link: http://www.youtube.com/user/dconrad000 If that...and the accompanying documentation does not convince your husband, I don’t know what will...if...you can get him to watch it with you...and then...after you have had success with your husband, if you still care about that friend to which you referred, you may want to try to find a way to gently extend that little infowar campaign to that friend, using the same technique. For less difficult cases, simply sending them the e-mail referenced in earlier posts above, should do the trick [...on this thread, see comments from 12-2-09, on pg. 1, for a description of that e-mail]. I would dare say that the only people that these techniques will not work upon are: those who refuse to look at the information altogether; those who are not bothered about using aborted fetal tissue; and those who are making a comfortable living that is somehow tied either directly or indirectly to Big Pharma; the government; public health; or our educational system – and who are inclined to not want to allow anything to come into their mind, which might shatter their current belief system that is convenient to the way in which they are currently making a comfortable and secure living. Good luck. If you make it back alive :) , please do report back and let us know how this “little counter-psy-ops operation turns out. After all, what the heck...we may as well have a little fun with this!

Can any of you anti-vaccinations PROVE without a shadow of a doubt that vaccinations have caused the above said problems? Is it possible that these "Victims" would have developed these conditions anyway? As I said before, if you feel that strongly about this, campaining in this forum get you nowhere, go become a politician and campain somewhere you will make a difference. There are so many things I could say in response to all the comments here, but in reality, I would be wasting my time as you all appear extremely close minded. We will be tested with whatever our Heavenly Father knows we can deal with, perhaps that is a child who appears normal from birth, but develops a condition, or perhaps a mental illness, or a physical deficit. I suggest that you all go and find something more constructive to do, other than post on here, as you all seem to have way too much time on your hands. We all the right to choose, and to choose without persecution. You can choose not to vaccinate, and other have the right to refuse you education, job opportunities, missionary oppotunities, even friendship. And others can choose not to vaccinate and you have the right to be offended by the people refusing you these things (which is what you seem to be doing). Again I say, who wins, when we fight? I promise you, it is not Heavenly Father.

The War in Heaven was an Infowar over what was right and wrong. I fought there and I will fight here. In the War In Heaven if we could have proven it beyond a shadow of doubt, perhaps there would be more than 2/3rds of us here, now. Some people just can't see the truth when it is staring them plainly in the face.

Here's are a couple of many things I can prove. I can prove that aborted fetal tissue has become an integral component in the manufacture of many of todays vaccines. I can also prove that the same evil men and institutions that are for profound population reduction very much want the general population of the world fully vaccinated (except members of their own families and friends, of course). See the search of information referenced above, for documentation of those facts. Here is one excerpt: Warren Buffet and Bill Gates are known eugenicists with philosophies of profound population reduction...yet they both have donated tens of billions of dollars towards vaccine campaigns in third world countries...coordinated through the UN, WHO, and UNICEF — that share those same philosophies (documentation included below). Why would those men and those organizations that want to depopulate the world by 80%, be so concerned in the supposed health and well being and longevity of those third world children?

Hello Minxy, One simple request, if you are really serious about the "prove vaccines can not be damaging" challenge..... Please go to www.homefirst.com and get in contact with Dr. Mayer Eisenstein who is an MD, and also a Juris Doctor and a master in public health. He has a clinic that has not seen autism or any of the other epidemic illnesses that plague the pediatric population today. In fact there have been approximately 35,000 children through his clinic, and 90% are unvaccinated with the remaining 10% very selectively vaccinated. He is not the only example, but he has been in practice for approximeately 4 decades, and is a great treasure of a resource. He is a true doctor that has upheld the hippocratic oath, and has the "proof" if that is what we want to call it. I do not expect anybody to believe me, because I would not have believed me either.....happy trails......I think you will really like Dr. Eisenstein.... ps. If a flu vaccine accidentally spills, then a hasmat team must be called in to clean up the mess....if this is not a red flag, I do not know what else to say...... http://www.springerlink.com/content/d751p01x01013627/fulltext.pdf Oh yeah, I have studied all of the literature I can get ahold of from both sides of the debate. I have stopped looking for evidence of harm because it is overwhelming. I now spend my time helping the families and individuals repair the damage, and we must all do the same thing...... This will probably be my last post because I just do not have the time to continue an online discussion, or "argument" as this has been referred to.......I pray that we may spend our energies helping those affected instead of ignorantly pointing fingers at those who are already at in the pit of despair.....Lift up the hands that hang down.. Parting words: Dr. Staker of Deseret Mutual (remember that this is president Monson's doctor) told me directly to my face that the vaccines policies established by the church for missionaries are simply in accordance with CDC recommendations. The implications of this statement should be enough to put to rest many currently existing questions and debate........ May God bless you all, Dr. Jerry Taylor

Amen and hallelujah.

...go here for a very, very interesting interview of Dr Mayer Eisentstein from the summer of 2009. He has a huge practice that does not vaccinate (except for the rare parent that he has not yet convinced and wants them for their child) and the incidence of allergies, asthma, autism, juvenile onset diabetes and other autoimmune disorders within his patient population base is extremely low when compared to the rest of the vaccinated population. He is just one more of many credible witnesses to those facts. He described a meeting he was at in which Blue Cross asked him why his patients were so much healthier in a number of different areas. The answer was that he talks most of his patients and their parents out of vaccinations. http://youtu.be/w42NvOJZvXg

Again I say, if you feel so passionately about it. DO something where it counts. Forums like this are so limited in it's audience that you really are wasting your time. Also you are the ones trying to prove how dangerous vaccinations are, my personal feelings have not come into it. I haven't voiced one way or the other. I have however voiced the feelings of most people. You are trying to prove the case, therefore you have the burden of proof. I do feel that it's sad that some are taking such large amounts out of their day to post in a forum that will have no great effect on the world. Stop forcing your ideas onto people, instead educate them and let them decide, and before you say that's what you are doing, perhaps look at the tone of some of the posts. Some are very negative, they actually remind me of the push to breastfeed, if you don't you fail as a mother - if you vaccinate you fail as a parent.

The problem is that parents aren't being told the truth about the real risks and dangers of vaccinations by those administering the vaccinations and so these dangerous vaccinations are being forced upon innocent children without any real informed consent for the parents in place. Millions of parents are then having to learn the hard way, after the fact -- after the damage is done. This situation has been improving however, as droves of people have been awaking to the reality of the situation. The Vaccine Resistance Movement is winning and ultimately will be vindicated. Even the flawed poll on this site indicates that the majority of church members taking the poll (51% at this moment) have serious misgivings about vaccines.

Outside of the Church, the numbers have been even more encouraging. Worldwide on average, 80% of the public rejected the H1N1 vaccine despite an all-out propaganda campaign for everyone to take it. That was a major success for the Vaccine Resistance Movement...and the momentum of the movement has continued to grow, as more and more become awake.

'Drjtaylor', I take no offence at your comment to me. I have nothing to hide either but in a world such as we have today putting your name out there is not the wisest of things, hence I use a ‘screen name’. My point is more that a screen name is meaningless and proves nothing about qualifications. My comment which I hope you didn't or don't take offence of is, anyone can call themselves anything and say pretty much anything. I could call myself 'ExBIGPHARMAresearcher' and go on about how they lie and hide the truth from the world etc. and would be hailed as a hero and get the ‘amen and hallelujah’s’ by the likes mofmars333 and opr etc. and in their eyes my screen name would make what I say more ‘credible’ so long as one agrees with them there is no questions asked, they love them! Anyone else is wrong, ‘blind to the truth’ and have nothing worth looking at, (even if it is from the Church website). Yet they will demand to know the background of those that oppose their view, who is backing them because they may be paid in some why by Rupert Murdock or ‘Big Pharma’…. Guys you really can’t have your gluten free baked cake and eat it to! …… opr, to compare this to the ‘war in Heaven’ really does show how warped you have become on one single issue. Seems you like to bring religion into this but only when it suits you. Yet you will ignore it when the talks of the Brethren don't fall in line with you own views, but you can’t bring yourself to actually say the Brethren are wrong and should not be listened to at least when it comes to vaccination can you?...... We need to be balanced in all things in life, if we aren’t, we begin to have a very wrapped view, I have seen many friends leave the Church because they become too focused on one point. Several of you certainly appear focused on one point and it is hardly a Gospel based one. You are as dogmatic and closed minded as those that are against the Church and btw who have reams of ‘proof’ that the Church is wrong. Their websites as dodgy looking as those you send us to look at. They also say if we look at the ‘truth’ we will have our eyes opened, we are being lied to etc. They also have clever/ learned men and women, many of whom use to be in the Church and they all have proof that the Church is wrong,. Should we listen to them also?…….. Here is a thought. What if ‘Big Pharms’ evil plan is to convince people STOP vaccinating through a groundswell of ‘evidence’ about how bad and dangerous vaccinations are? What if all those ‘in the know’ that are advocating how terrible vaccinations are actually are being controlled even unknowingly by, or work for Big Pharm’ and Rupert Murdock because they want us to stop getting vaccinated. This maybe the real plan, so several disease’s start to become more prevalent. Big Pharm will have a massive stock pile at the ready to save the day and at huge prices! It could be true, vaccinations being bad is too easy story and we know that Big Pharm and Rupert are ‘truly evil’, so they would have to have a much better and sinister plan in play, they only want to harm humans beings, because to have less humans on the earth means they will make more money!

My concscience is clear before God. I sleep peacfully at night -- not having utilized Big Pharma's evil, toxic, aborted-fetal-tissue-containing (many of them) witches brew in my family. I know what I know about vaccinations. I bear my witness that I am telling the truth about them. People are free to either believe me or not believe me. That is their prerogative.

conscience

Do I feel strongly about it? Yeah, I feel strongly about it. You can throw me in a fiery furnace before I would willingly allow myself or any of my children to be injected with a vaccine.

You say here: "Vaccines are held to the highest standard of safety. The United States currently has the safest, most effective vaccine supply in history. Years of testing are required by law before a vaccine can be licensed. Once in use, vaccines are continually monitored for safety and effectiveness." And you either outright lie or are this ignorant. Continuously monitored? Really? Do you actually connect with the real world or do you believe everything you are spoon fed just as you expect all good folks to do? Read the package insert on the next vaccine you have in your hand and see the "highest standard" of bull. Also, why is it the US has the highest infant mortality rate? Is this what our almighty standard has done for us, for our babies? If you choose to wear blinders and then say you have a perspective worth considering then you're delusional. Well-"educated," but delusional. And. My name is J. Ruth Kelly.

www.nvic.org.........................................................................................................................www.homefirst.com (this is Dr. Eisenstein's website where you may get in contact with him)........................................................................................................................................."40 years ago when I started my practice only 1 in 10,000 children had autism. Today it's 1 in 100. What is the only difference we have seen? The inordinate number of vaccines that are being given to children today. My partners and I have over 35,000 patients who have never been vaccinated. You know how many cases of autism we have seen? ZERO, ZERO. I have made this statement for over 40 years: "NO VACCINES NO AUTISM". (Dr Eisenstein)................. http://vran.org/.....................................................................................................................http://www.drcarley.com/Horrors_of_Vaccination_Exposed.pdf..............................................http://truthaboutgardasil.org/................................................................................................ "during the biggest polio epidemic in the US in 1952, the rate of those affected with paralysis was 1.4 per 10,000. Deaths were 0.2 per 10,000. These numbers pale in comparison to this silent epidemic of autism" -Dr. Bryan Jepson-quoted from the book {A Child's Journey Out of Autism-written by Leeann Whiffen.

And here you go. Some actual FACTS: "Atlanta- Poul Thorsen, the principal coordinator of multiple studies funded by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) used to deny a vaccine/autism link was indicted on April 13th on 13 counts of fraud and 9 counts of money laundering. The charges relate to funding for work he conducted for the CDC, which claimed to disprove associations between the mercury-based vaccine preservative, thimerosal, and increased rates of autism." http://www.safeminds.org/news/thornsen-indictment.html

repeat: United States has the HIGHEST INFANT MORTALITY RATE. Hello. "highest standards" don't cut it.

and more facts for the improvement of your knowledge base: http://therefusers.com/refusers-newsroom/why-james-murdoch-is-now-a-headache-for-glaxo/ who is james murdoch? "James Murdoch (son of Rupert) sits atop News Corp, the parent company that employed Brain Deer of The London Times, who led the crusade against Dr. Andrew Wakefield." A crusade full of lies. What do we do with those high standards that produce the highest infant mortality and collaborate with criminals who are still NOT in jail?

oh wait. more insight! ‘Currently, newborns receive hepatitis B shots before they’re discharged from the hospital. “I’ve never understood why we give this at birth,” said Dr. Richard Frye, assistant professor of pediatrics and neurology at the University of Texas Medical Center at Houston.’ Source: http://therefusers.com/refusers-newsroom/should-i-vaccinate-my-baby-cnn-health/ if you're a physician groupie then that quote should rattle your cage a wee bit, no?

Thomas J. Boud, M.D. - you need to wake up. Or did you put your name (for a price) on an article written by a pharmaceutical company as have many doctors? Do you claim this nonsense, really? "In 1991, the physician committee appointed by the Institute of Medicine to examine the medical literature for evidence that vaccines cause injury and death, stated, "In the course of its review, the committee encountered many gaps and limitations in knowledge bearing directly or indirectly on the safety of vaccines. These include inadequate understanding of the biologic mechanisms underlying adverse events following natural infection or immunization, insufficient or inconsistent information from case reports and case series, inadequate size or length of follow-up of many population based epidemiologic studies [and] few experimental studies published in relation to the number of epidemiologic studies published." The most important action that can be taken today by parents, doctors and public health officials, is to acknowledge the gaps in knowledge about the way vaccines singly or in combination act on the developing immune and neurological system and the role that viral and bacterial infections, environmental toxins and genetics can play in the development of vaccine-associated autism and other learning, behavior, and autoimmune disorders. Doctors should be better educated in medical school about the potential risks, as well as the benefits, of different vaccines so they can become partners with parents in preventing vaccine-induced health problems." Source (bibliography available within this source) - http://www.nvic.org/nvic-archives/newsletter/autismandvaccines.aspx

‘opr’ I believe you will find that most Anti-Mormons, Baptists Catholics, Lutherans, Amish, Jehovah Witness’s, Seven-Day Adventists, Buddhists, Muslims and even Muslim Fundamentalist Terrorists, would say ‘my conscience is clear before God. I sleep peacefully at night’ just have you have done. That feeling and ability to sleep does not mean you are any more right than they are in what they believe or follow. I to can sleep and I to can say my conscience is clear before God. Yet all you say to make anyone that does not believe as you on this subject, is aimed to make them believe they are bad parents, too blind to see the truth, that they are too silly to open their eyes to all that you so kindly are willing to spend your time sharing with them. How good you must feel! That is the wrong way to share a message, but again you contend with opposing views under the banner of sharing your view. Continue to sleep well the same as everyone else that so firmly believes that they are right and everyone else is wrong.

I fault not the parents. I fault those who are knowingly destroying the lives of many for the sake of profits and for the purposes of depopulative eugenics. In fact, some of the best advocates in the Vaccine Resistance Movement are parents and grandparents that did vaccinate...but will now no longer do so -- because they saw right before their eyes, the destruction that occurred; are now dealing with the aftermath of the effects of previously having been deceived by the Vaccine Industry and their propaganda machine. I grieve for the children that are having these injections forced upon them, based upon fraud and deceit, and for the vast numbers of them that are being injured -- permanently.

In Dr Taylor and Momars I sense in them a sincerity, a compassion and a caring -- for those whose lives are being destroyed (including one of their own children and grandchildren, respectively) In you, fooruku sadly, I sense no such compassion, simply a desperate drive to detract from the rich abundance of evidence of harm, protect the vaccination myth, and tow the Big Pharma line on Vaccinations. It however won't work. I am more than comfortable with the sincere seeker of truth on this matter examining all your words -- and the rest of the words and links to documentation posted -- and drawing their own conclusion. The Vaccination Myth is slipping away and will continue to do so. I am grateful for the progress that the Vaccine Resistance Movement has had over the past two years -- since the H1N1 Scam -- which was a pivotal event for the movement.

Redriver, thank you for weighing in. Your intelligent commentary is highly appreciated.

Redriver, regarding your comments with respect to newborns and the Hep B vaccine. It is indeed a very dangerous vaccination, and even if it worked against Heppatitis B, it makes no sense that it would be given to the newborn, without the mothers having been screened for Hep B. I have given this some thought. The only reason that makes sense to me about the policy -- is that irreversible vaccine damage to newborns is much less apparent than in older children...and then as they receive further injections as they get older...further brain damage on top of the already brain-damaged infant is not as noticable and blatantly apparent to the parents. The damage that occured from the gardasil vaccine was especially striking -- because beautiful, intelligent, active teen-age girls were suddenly being killed, or permanently brain damaged right before their parent's eyes -- in high numbers immediately or soon after having received the vaccination. It is much easier to blame vaccine-induced-brain-damage that occurs to a newborn on coincidence, birth defects, or other factors.

Another thing about you that I find to be sad, forukoo. You know that many of todays vaccines contain aborted fetal tissue...because you have been told so and have been given irrefutable documentation of that fact. Yet even with that knowledge now, you still claim to have a clear conscience while advocating that they be injected into us and our children, because Big Pharma says they will save us. I find that to be very telling, indeed.

minxy, we post here because we care. People are reading this and will start to question because of it and possibly save the lives of their children. These grassroots articles actually do have an impact. Each one teach one. Mainstreamers have finally caught up with us and are listening because we have been banging on drum wherever and whenever we can. "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." Mixy and fooruku, the truth is almost in the complete collective consciousness because look, you're fighting. Like I said, I don't know exactly why the Brethern require vaccines, but I am anxious to learn one day. We are losing too many missionaries to vaccine damage, it will quickly start to impair the work and I am confident they will rethink this and God will work out the details. I encourage you to listen to the 2011 vaccine audio download at www.ldsholisticliving.com. You will be amazed.

'thebirthsourse' you care for your view alone, and shut your eyes to anything other than your view. That is not searching for the truth. I have searched have read widely both sides with an open mind with prayer and come down on the side of vaccination. You say ‘we are losing too many missionaries to vaccine damage’ really! What evidence do you have to support that claim? As for them (The Brethren) rethinking this (missionaries needing to be vaccinated), I would be surprised if they do anything much when it comes to missionaries and missionary work without involving God in every facet of it. So maybe God needs to rethink it, should you tell him or I?.... Oh and I have seen the bad effects of a vaccination twice, when I personally knew the families and in both cases the children should not have been vaccinated, because they were not well at the time the parents took them in, the parents didn’t share that with the doctor, nor did the doctor ask any questions prior. It is very sad and a horrible thing that happened, I feel for the family and the children. I wish that the parents had shared all the relevant facts with the doctor and I really wish that they doctor had asked some questions. However it is not hidden that there can be side effects and things can happen, which is why you are not meant to go ahead with a vaccination unless you are in good health and you are told to talk to your doctor and the doctor should question you as well….. It is interesting 'opr' that you are so superior in how you talk down to everyone with a view different than your own. You find everything ‘sad’ about me, I have ‘no compassion’ really, when did we met? Where have I shown no compassion in my comments? I have been called ‘retarded’ on here because I agree with vaccination, yet I did not respond with name calling. Nor am I desperate in any way to detract from any evidence, only to say to seek truth you need to look at all sides, if you fail to look at both sides with an open mind you do not get the truth you simply get one side and can’t therefore make a real informed decision…. I have said that I have studied and prayed about my decision and vaccination the right thing to do that was the answer I got. Yet you have the gall to basically tell me the answer I got was wrong, after I have looked at both sides and prayed about it, all because my answer was different than yours! Where is your compassion? Where is your understanding and acceptance of another’s free will? Or do we only get that from you when we fall into line with your view? That sounds like something very different to the world we are meant to live in and more like one that another being wanted us to live in, so long as he got the glory. To tell me that I am wrong and basically a bad parent because I did vaccinate my family, is terribly compassionate. In short you are telling me that I have not really ‘searched’ for the truth if I look at both sides and decide differently than you, in your view it seems I can only ‘search’ the truth if I read one side, the one that agrees with YOUR VIEW!.... I go back yet again to the Brethren who often talk about the ‘blessing of vaccination’ I have heard it in Conference and read it in various talks over the years. I am sure they have both sides available to them and they are even closer to the Lord than I would think you and I are. So forgive me if I, along with study and prayer, will look toward them, listen to what they say, watch what they do, see how they act and work to emulate them in a small way for my benefit and growth. For I am sure that they sleep well at night and have a clear conscience even after calling vaccination in our world a ‘blessing from God’. I will follow that advice, and if for some reason they come out one day and advise us not to be vaccinated I will do as we are always asked to do pray about it to receive a testimony that what they have said was true and then follow it. You are welcome to your view, I have no issue with it, I understand it to some extent, my mother whom I love dearly agrees with your view, so don’t tell me I have not looked clearly at all sides of this issue. My objection is the one sided, condescending, and almost militant manner in which so many of you push your view on others. I have said before have you not noticed that few vaccine friendly people are here at all anymore, because no one on ‘your side’ is interested in s discussion, only in presenting reams of info form at times dodgy sites from some well-intentioned people, who often are repeating the same information they read somewhere else, which may or may not have been verified and check to be accurate. At this point your only ‘preaching’ to yourselves and convincing yourself more that your ‘battle’ is righteous. All Zealots believe that ‘their’ battle is on the side of God, but in the end few are really, any Muslim fundamentalist terrorist will tell you ‘God is on my side’ with all the honesty and sincerity of their heart, just as I would assume you and I would tell them the opposite is true with all the honesty and sincerity of our hearts. No I don’t want to detract, I want you to become balanced willing to be open to discussion of a view other than yours. I fear for anyone that cannot have balance in their life and how they view things. It is when we lack that balance that we stray from the path we must walk.

As far as I am concerned, vaccination is a massive fraud and an organised criminal enterprise dressed up as disease prevention. Dr Kenneth Stoller sums up the vaccination issue quite well: "We live in a world ruled by corporate interests and agendas that are not in the best interests of the citizens of this planet. The type of mercury used in vaccines has never been safety tested by the Federal Government for toxicity in humans. This is an unconscionable oversight failure at best, and at worst it is an example that we have left consensus reality to be created by liars, cheats, killers and the junk scientists they employ." Dr Kenneth Stoller MD Autism, Vaccines, Mercury and the Culpability of the American Academy of Pediatrics http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36_qz2beMaE Here is a great article in my opinion every parent ought to read: Should I Vaccinate My Child? By Shane “The People’s Chemist” Ellison, M.Sc. http://www.hotzehwc.com/Resource-Center/Articles/Should-I-Vaccinate-My-Child-.aspx

Forukoo, you sound like a broken record. Not only are you doing an extremely lousy job of standing up for vaccinations. You are also doing an extremely lousy job of standing up for the Brethren on the issue, so now I feel the need to step in and defend the Brethren from your insinuations. The issue of aborted fetal tissue in vaccines has surely not been disclosed to the Brethren by the medical “experts” setting vaccine policy for the Church. The issue of aborted fetal tissue in vaccines, however has now been fully disclosed to you. You have attempted to dig a pit for others, and now you have fallen in it.

‘opr’ you repeat yourself much more, with the same lines over and over, never really responding to any points. I am not actually trying to ‘stand up for vaccinations’ that is not what I am about, even though I agree with them. It would be almost a pointless exercise to do so anyway because any proof I or anyone offered to support vaccination would be rejected out of hand as false and lies from ‘Big Pharma’ so really what would the point be? I have studied this a lot on and off over many years, my own Mother is on the side you are on, I have both sides, yet you would say to me ‘but you haven’t REALLY studied it because IF you did you would be on our side’ So ‘opr’ I don’t try to stand up for vaccinations for that reason, you can’t discuss a subject when someone’s mind is totally closed… What I am doing is to attempt to get you to open your mind a little even if it is to listen to what or Church leaders say…. Ok, so your saying that the Brethren have been so blind as to not ever heard about ‘the issue of aborted fetal tissue in vaccines’ (oh and btw they are not used IN vaccines from all I have read, though many appear to interpret it as such but the report is that fetal tissue has been used to ‘grow the viruses’, there is a difference between tissue being IN a vaccine to tissue being used to GROW the viruses.... Anyway back to the point; You honestly believe that they have never become aware of these things? Elder Nelson, in the Quorum of the 12 and a Doctor, your saying he knows nothing of these things? Or maybe you ignore his talks because of his background and perhaps the Lord made a mistake in picking him to be in the 12? The First Presidency, you don’t believe that they would have received some knowledge of these things, that the Lord would not have directed them to stop ALL support of immunization because of ‘the truth’? Wow is the Lord sleeping on the job in directing the Church? I guess so if we believe what you’re saying here…… Let’s see about the Brethren, and what they have to say and have allowed to be written or said officially on the Church website together, are you willing to read what from the Church Website which is under the direction of the 12 and the First Presidency? http://lds.org/liahona/1978/07/immunize-children-leaders-urge?lang=eng 'the First Presidency said, “Reports that increasing numbers of children are not being immunized against preventable childhood diseases deeply concern us. “In the United States alone approximately 20 million children, 40 percent of those 14 years old or younger, have not been adequately immunized against polio, measles, German measles (rubella), diphtheria, pertussis (whooping cough), mumps and tetanus. “Every parent who has agonized when these diseases have maimed or brought premature death to their children would join us, we are certain, in a plea to mobilize against these deadly enemies. “We urge members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints to protect their own children through immunization. Then they may wish to join other public-spirited citizens in efforts to eradicate ignorance and apathy that have caused the disturbingly low levels of childhood immunization. “Failure to act could subject untold thousands to preventable lifelong physical or mental impairment, including paralysis, blindness, deafness, heart damage and mental retardation. “Immunization campaigns in the United States and other nations, if successful, will end much needless suffering and erase the potential threat of epidemics. Such efforts are deserving of our full support.” http://lds.org/ensign/1981/01/staying-healthy-welfare-services-suggests-how?lang=eng 'The Church has encouraged members to obtain immunization against diseases that can be prevented by vaccine inoculations. This not only protects individuals, but such cooperation helps safeguard the health of the entire community. Diseases against which children should be routinely immunized include diphtheria, pertussis (whooping cough), tetanus, polio, measles, rubella (German measles), and mumps' http://lds.org/manual/duties-and-blessings-of-the-priesthood-basic-manual-for-priesthood-holders-part-b/lesson-24-maintaining-good-physical-health?lang=eng 'In most parts of the world we can receive immunizations from health clinics or doctors. We can be immunized for such diseases as rubeola (measles), mumps, rubella (German measles), diphtheria, pertussis (whooping cough), typhoid fever, smallpox, polio, influenza, tetanus, hepatitis A and B, pneumonia, and varicella (chicken pox). In addition to immunizations, medicines in the form of liquids or pills have been developed to help prevent and cure illnesses. These should be used carefully according to directions from qualified medical professionals. We should not take medication that has expired or has been prescribed for someone else.' http://lds.org/general-conference/1978/10/good-health-a-key-to-joyous-living?lang=eng 'Today, immunization against disease is a great blessing. Some of the most hazardous diseases are now almost totally under control because of immunization.' http://lds.org/church/facts?lang=eng 'The humanitarian services arm of the Church sponsors five ongoing global projects to help people become more self-reliant. Initiatives include neonatal resuscitation training, clean water projects, wheelchair distribution, vision treatment, and measles vaccinations.' http://lds.org/ensign/1976/07/random-sampler/a-shot-in-the-arm?lang=eng 'Parents are becoming lax in having their children immunized at an early age, believing that such procedures can wait until admission to school or can be ignored entirely because the diseases are no longer important. When such an attitude prevails, the preschool child remains susceptible to these illnesses, which are still circulating in our communities and are still serious threats to life. Children need protection from these diseases, and they need it as infants and young children.' http://lds.org/ensign/2009/02/news-of-the-church/church-helps-tanzania-with-measles-vaccinations?lang=eng ‘Thousands of children in Tanzania were vaccinated against measles in 2008. The immunization effort was a collaboration between the Tanzania Red Cross and Ministry of Health, the United Nations, and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Measles is a highly contagious disease that continues to claims lives around the world, but is easily prevented. For this reason, an international partnership for the eradication of measles has received significant Church support. http://lds.org/ensign/2008/05/and-who-is-my-neighbor?lang=eng ‘Working with the World Health Organization to eliminate measles as a killer of almost a million children each year, over 54,000 Church members volunteered to help organize the effort. A Church member in Nigeria wrote: “I called our labor the ‘rescue of the innocent.’ We went house to house and village hall to village hall. A woman told us she had lost three children to measles. She told her story with such grace and passion that there was not a dry eye in the house, mine included.” Our volunteer observed, “The things you do for yourself are gone when you are gone, but the things that you do for others remain as your legacy.” http://lds.org/liahona/2006/02/news-of-the-church/measles-initiative-saving-african-children?lang=eng ‘Bonnie D. Parkin, Relief Society general president, believes that when President Gordon B. Hinckley approved the Church’s commitment to the Measles Initiative, he “didn’t foresee this as just a way to protect children against measles, but as a way to give members a chance to serve.”’ http://lds.org/general-conference/1994/10/my-brothers-keeper?lang=eng ‘Since the two special fast days in 1985, called for by the First Presidency, humanitarian efforts by members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints have reached into every corner of the globe. Millions of the earth’s needy have been blessed as members of the Church have consecrated their means to provide life-sustaining food and clothing, establish immunization and infant feeding programs, teach basic literacy, dig freshwater wells, foster village banks, create new jobs, sustain hospitals and orphanages, teach basic self-reliance, and act in many other ways to help Heavenly Father’s children improve their lives both spiritually and temporally.’ http://lds.org/manual/the-latter-day-saint-woman-basic-manual-for-women-part-a/lesson-24-disease-prevention?lang=eng We can protect ourselves and our families from some diseases by getting immunizations. For some diseases we need only one immunization, but for other diseases we may need several immunizations at certain time intervals.’ http://lds.org/ensign/1995/05/children-of-the-covenant?lang=eng ‘Years ago as a young medical student I saw many patients afflicted with diseases that are now preventable. Today it is possible to immunize individuals against conditions that once were disabling—even deadly. One medical method by which acquired immunity is conferred is inoculation. The term inoculate is fascinating. It comes from two Latin roots: in,meaning “within”; and oculus, meaning “an eye.” The verb to inoculate,therefore, literally means “to put an eye within”—to monitor against harm. An affliction like polio can cripple or destroy the body. An affliction like sin can cripple or destroy the spirit. The ravages of polio can now be prevented by immunization, but the ravages of sin require other means of prevention. Doctors cannot immunize against iniquity.’ Well that’s all I am saying, I have come back for a short while each day, but have more important things to carry on with in my life than to attempt a real discussion with those that can’t talk, reason and bear to listen to views other than what fit in with their own, as I have said I am happy for you to have your view and am able to accept you believe your right, I can’t accept your telling all others that feel differently, how wrong they are and they need to read the ‘truth’ and if they only would do that, they will come over to your way of thinking. The problem is your ‘truth’ seems to say you can’t believe anything that is said by anyone else unless their views go along with ours so don’t even look because it is all lies. As I said how do you know that isn’t the real lie, to stop people from being vaccinated, wait for horrible disease’s become prevalent and then they (Big Pharma) will be rolling in the dollars.

opr, in case you missed it in the links above I will repeat it here all by itself. From the First Presidency of the Church...“We urge members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints to protect their own children through immunization. Then they may wish to join other public-spirited citizens in efforts to eradicate ignorance and apathy that have caused the disturbingly low levels of childhood immunization. “Failure to act could subject untold thousands to preventable lifelong physical or mental impairment, including paralysis, blindness, deafness, heart damage and mental retardation. “Immunization campaigns in the United States and other nations, if successful, will end much needless suffering and erase the potential threat of epidemics. Such efforts are deserving of our full support.”.... I think it is pretty clear what they said. And it has never been a statement that has been rescinded by any Presidency after that statement was made.... You still have agency to do as you wish, but after study and prayer I choose to follow the Lords chosen who I believe are directed under the hand of God, rather than man.

For those of you who are interested, there is a new blog (probably inspired by this article) dealing with the facts about vaccines with a particular aim at the doctrinal concerns of Latter Day Saints. You may want to check it out: http://passingthedestroyingangel.blogspot.com/

"the issue of aborted fetal tissue in vaccines’ (oh and btw they are not used IN vaccines from all I have read, though many appear to interpret it as such but the report is that fetal tissue has been used to ‘grow the viruses’, there is a difference between tissue being IN a vaccine to tissue being used to GROW the viruses...." <br> Aborted babies are used in the production of 24 vaccines - 21 more than 2 years ago. Splitting hairs.

thank you for the link js7. Look, fooruku, it comes down to one point that we both agree on I think. Pray about it and receive personal revelation. I have done that, you have done that, probably everyone in the conversation here has done that. None of our revelations are invalid. There is really nothing more to defend. You know the WoW revelation was given far before it was ever doctrine. Would living it before being commanded be fruitless? Of course not, but it was optional for the saints for quite a long while. The Lord can only move as fast as we will let him. He will not reveal things to us until he can trust us with the revelation. I cannot say why God has command you to vaccinate, that is not my business. I know why he has commanded me not to vaccinate, and it's everything I have stated. I feel obligated to share my experiences with others who have felt the prompting to reject vaccines. I am grateful to have gotten my answer that has brought me such peace and want to help others. Peace to you.

I also wanted to comment on this...."Millions of the earth’s needy have been blessed as members of the Church have consecrated their means to provide life-sustaining food and clothing, establish immunization and infant feeding programs," Look, I'm not saying that the church isn't doing what they can to help. But their hands are tied because the solution is far out of their scope to fix through temporal assistance. For instance: Infant feeding programs = formula feeding (another great invention of big pharma), which has been shown to kill a minimum of 23 babies PER DAY in third world countries a day and 10 babies PER DAY in the U.S. Instead, the birthing practices and infrastructure need to be fixed in the country to produce healthy women and babies and breastfeeding support systems in place. So these infant feeding programs are merely an immediate bandaid that actually perpetuate the problem, much like vaccine programs do. The solution is much more multi tiered than just give a shot or provide some powder to mix with dirty water. This (scroll to the pic of the Pakistani woman) http://deliveriesareforpizzas.blogspot.com/2007/12/birth-crawl.html is what feeding programs do to babies, they rarely save them and kill more than they would ever save. In my opinion, the same could be said of vaccination programs. The previous discussion on eugenics is right on. As far as my proof on losing missionaries to vaccines? I know of 3 personally, one my nephew, who had to come home early and could not serve 90% of the time while he was out for vaccine reactions. I am well versed in reactions, and they were clear reactions. I am confident most every LDS member knows one missionary with vaccine reactions, whether they know it or not. My good friend has dubbed it 'Missionary Madness" and is writing a book on it because she treats so many missionaries with vaccine reactions. It is becoming a huge problem and the numbers she are seeing are increasing every year. Just like they had to finally put the 'no sex before mission or don't go on a mission' rule in place to help the work move forward, this will have to be addressed if the work is to roll forward.

One of the things I did was to travel to SLC and meet with the church concerning the church's policy on vaccines. I was directed to Dr. Larry Staker who is the Cheif Medical Officer and Medical Director of Deseret Mutual, he is also pphysician to President Monson.The following is how it played out, please focus and pay attention, it is very technical and drawn out.....QUESTION (Dr. Taylor)How does the church develop vaccine policy?ANSWER (Dr. Staker) We follow the recommendations of the CDC.

Thanks for poking your head back in here, from time to time, Doctorjtaylor. Your presence here is greatly appreciated.

Forukoo, you sound like a broken record. Not only are you doing an extremely lousy job of standing up for vaccinations. You are also doing an extremely lousy job of standing up for the Brethren on the issue, so now I feel the need to step in and defend the Brethren from your insinuations. The issue of aborted fetal tissue in vaccines has surely not been disclosed to the Brethren by the medical “experts” setting vaccine policy for the Church. The issue of aborted fetal tissue in vaccines, however has now been fully disclosed to you. You have attempted to dig a pit for others, and now you have fallen in it.

opr who is the broken record? I will this time repeat some of what I have said again, but not word for word as you have. 'doctorjtaylor' you believe that the First Presidency follow what is advised to them blindly and don't first seek the Lord when it comes to leading the Church on policy? The Lord will not allow his Church to be guided down the wrong path for 'political convenience' even on a matter such as vaccination. “We urge members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints to protect their own children through immunization. Then they may wish to join other public-spirited citizens in efforts to eradicate ignorance and apathy that have caused the disturbingly low levels of childhood immunization." not my words, but the words of the First Presidency in a statement to all the Church, would following what the Lords anointed have said be wrong? Or do we follow only want we choose to follow?

Forukoo, as long as you continue to repeat your diatribes, I will repeat the crux of the matter.

...not only are you doing an extremely lousy job of standing up for vaccinations. You are also doing an extremely lousy job of standing up for the Brethren on the issue, so now I feel the need to step in and defend the Brethren from your insinuations. The issue of aborted fetal tissue in vaccines has surely not been disclosed to the Brethren by the medical “experts” setting vaccine policy for the Church. The issue of aborted fetal tissue in vaccines, however has now been fully disclosed to you. You have attempted to dig a pit for others, and now you have fallen in it.

I don't know how many of you know this but...***According to the FDA website: 8 vaccines contain forms of aborted fetal tissue (fetal cell line Wistar Ra 27/3, WI 38 and MRC-5), human blood (albumin), genetically engineered human albumin, or DNA. ***According to a retired pharmaceutical scientist: 23 vaccines contain DNA. ***According to the CDC website: 5 vaccines contain either aborted fetal tissues (MRC-5), human serum albumin or DNA. MRC-5, WI-38, RA27/3 (also note the RA27/3 strain of rubella virus was observed to induce brain cell death), WI-26 VA4, HEK-293, and IMR-90. PER.C6 is a newer cell line developed by Crucell and licensed by Merck. According to this document, the fetus was healthy and normal when killed at 18 weeks. The mother decided to abort because she was unsure who the father was. At the outset PER.C6 was started for the sole purpose of vaccine development. This 2005 patent reads on line 0224, "Human embryonic retinoblast (HER) cells were isolated from the eyes of aborted fetuses of 18 and 21 weeks of age." (The patent is prefaced by this 2001 application assigned to Crucell). This research illustrates how the PER.C6 cell line is being promoted for use in flu, HIV/AIDS, tuberculosis, malaria, rabies, cancer, and other vaccines. And now according to the senior scientist, there may be a link between autism and the DNA in the vaccines. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20049118-10391695.html Vaccines and Autism, A new scientific review (cbs news investigation) Human DNA in vaccines http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/07/10/this-shocking-fact-is-never-disclosed-on-any-vaccine-informed-consent-form.aspx Human DNA in vaccinations. So to me.....if you are a follower of God, and do not believe in abortions....then you should not be a hypocrite and vaccinate with these vaccines.

'opr' you do make me smile, how are any of my words in anyway either bitter or forceful verbal attacks on anyone here? Hardly a 'diatribe' unless reading the words of First Presidency are not to your likely and/or anything that goes against your view is seen by you an attack, yet all your comments are simply loving words to share so all may know the 'truth' which in part you do by insinuating if one does not agree with your view that they are blind, bad parents etc....... You either believe that the First Presidency are lead by the Lord, that they study all sides and pray often before making a statement to the entire Church, or you don't. Which is it? It is a simple question and requires a yes or no answer.

oh and if you are going to continue to comment to me, at least look and learn to spell the name.

Here is the info from the FDA: MMR (MMRII)=Wistar 27/3, WI-38, genetically engineered human albumin. Chicken pox= WI-38, MRC-5, Human DNA. Chic pox/MMR (proquad)= Wistar 27/3, WI-38, MRC-5, human serum albumin (from human blood), DNA. Hep A (Havrix)= MRC-5. Hep A (Vaqta)MRC-5, DNA. DTap, Hib and polio (Pentacel)= MRC-5. Rabies (IMoVAX)= MRC-5. Rabies (RAbavert)= human serum albumin (from human blood). From the CDC website: Dtap-IPV/Hib (Pentacel)= MRC-5. Hep A (Vaqta)= MCR-5, DNA. Hep A/Hep B (twinrix)= MRC-5. MMR (MMr-II)Human SErum Albumin. MMRV (Proquad)= Human serum albumin and MRC-5. Varicella (chic pox)= MRC-5. And not to mention all the chemicals: ***9 of the vaccines on the Vaccine Ingredients from the CDC website contain Thimerosol. DTaP, DTap/HiB, Hep B, Hep A/Hep B, 4 Influenza, and Meningococcal. Symptoms of mercury toxicity match those of autism. Note that thimerosal is extremely toxic by all routes of administration. There is no safe level of exposure. ***22 vaccines contain formaldehyde or formalin, which has been ranked as one of the most hazardous compounds. ***Sorbitol- Government records prominently states under Drug Warnings that sorbitol is not to be injected, yet it is in the MMR and MMRV vaccinations ***Beta-Propiolactone is ranked as one of the most hazardous chemicals, yet it is in 2 of the influenza vaccines. ***Polysorbates have been shown to cause dangerous, sometimes fatal effects, when given through a needle. They are in 13 of the vaccines. ***Injections of glutamate or monosodium-glutamate into laboratory animals have resulted in damage to nerve cells in the brain. It is in 3 vaccines, including MMR, MMRV, and varicella (chicken pox). ***Phenol is TOXIC AT ALL LEVELS, yet it is in one of the influenza vaccines. ***Aluminum is in 19 vaccines, 3 of them with Thimerasol. Aluminum is extraordinarily toxic when found with mercury. Aluminum has no known benefit in the human body. Two-month old babies now receive 1,225 mcg of aluminum from their vaccines -- 50 times higher than safety levels! * 0.5 parts per billion (ppb) mercury = Kills human neuroblastoma cells (Parran et al., Toxicol Sci 2005; 86: 132-140). * 2 ppb mercury = U.S. EPA limit for drinking water (http://www.epa.gov/safewater/contaminants/index.html#mcls). * 20 ppb mercury = Neurite membrane structure destroyed (Leong et al., Neuroreport 2001; 12: 733-37) * 200 ppb mercury = level in liquid the EPA classifies as hazardous waste (http://www.des.umd.edu/hw/rest/manual/codes.html) * 600 ppb mercury = Level in a currently licensed Hepatitis B, multi-dose vaccine vial, labeled as trace. This is administered at birth. * 25,000 ppb mercury = Concentration of mercury in multi-dose, Hepatitis B vaccine vials, administered at birth from 1990-2000 in the U.S. Not administered at birth in any other developed country. * 50,000 ppb mercury = Concentration of mercury in DTaP and Haemophilus B vaccine administered 8 times in the 1990′s to children at 2, 4, 6, 12 and 18 months of age. Current “preservative” level mercury in flu, meningococcal and tetanus (7 and older) vaccines. From the Eli Lilly material safety data sheet:Thimerosal contains 49.6% w/w organically-bound mercury. Primary Physical and Health Hazards: Toxic. Mutagen. Allergen. Nervous System and Reproductive Effects. Caution Statement: Thimerosal is toxic, alters genetic material,may be irritating to the eyes, and causes allergic reactions. Effects of exposure may include numbness of extremities, fetal changes, decreased offspring survival, and lung tissue changes. Thimerosal contains mercury. Mercury poisoning may occur and topical hypersensitivity reactions may be seen. Early signs of mercury poisoning in adults are nervous system effects, including narrowing of the visual field and numbness in the extremities. Exposure to mercury in utero and in children may cause mild to severe mental retardation and mild to severe motor coordination impairment. According to the Miller-Goldman STudy: Developed nations that require the most vaccines for babies tend to have the highest infant death rates. May 4, 2011 — A new study, published in Human and Experimental Toxicology, a prestigious journal indexed by the National Library of Medicine, found that developed nations with higher (worse) infant mortality rates tend to give their infants more vaccine doses. For example, the United States requires infants to receive 26 vaccines (the most in the world) yet more than 6 U.S. infants die per every 1000 live births. In contrast, Sweden and Japan administer 12 vaccines to infants, the least amount, and report less than 3 deaths per 1000 live births. The current study by Miller and Goldman, “Infant Mortality Rates Regressed Against Number of Vaccine Doses Routinely Given: Is There a Biochemical or Synergistic Toxicity?” (available online), found “a high statistically significant correlation between increasing number of vaccine doses and increasing infant mortality rates.” This raises an important question: Would fewer vaccines administered to infants reduce the number of infant deaths? The authors concluded that “closer inspection of correlations between vaccine doses, biochemical or synergistic toxicity, and infant mortality rates, is essential. All nations — rich and poor, advanced and developing — have an obligation to determine whether their immunization schedules are achieving their desired goals. When the Japanese changed their vaccine schedule from 3 months of age to 2 years of age.....they saw a considerable drop in SIDS cases.

I was told this by a poster that had not a clue The CDC caved under pressure from Congress to bad science. The study that linked autism to vaccines has been debunked a long time ago. Sorry and I do feel bad for your son but that is the truth. I told him this; You are now going to be given, the truth about bad science..... Here is your junk science... This will be in several parts... 1st they say, if you do not like the findings on your child's NVICP case you have the right to sue the manufacturer. Next the law makers under the disguise of tort reform, create a 250,000 cap. All the while knowing it cost that much to bring forth a vaccine suit, in state court. When they find they have no!!!!! science to defend in a real court of law, the Supreme Court rules the parents cannot sue the Manufacturer. For even those Idiots know, you cannot win in a real court of law with useless, and worse than useless that was done in Denmark by a researcher that is now being indicted by the US. justice dept. on 13 counts of wire fraud and 9 counts of money laundering. Here is where the story begins,with a Congressional Committee under pressure by parents and researchers & Dr.'s also Congressman House Appropriations Committee asked the NIH to evaluate the CDC 's vaccines as a cause for Autism science,the the NIH's NEIHS was asked to do the task. Continued

The head of the NIEHS 's panel said in a report to Congress that the science was riddled full of design flaws, that rendered them to be [en effect useless.] The CDC's Dir. was asked to defend her studies by the Congressional comittee,she did not! in fact she agreed to the findings some what. Even to the point, that she the CDC Dir. said any further use of the VSD looking at vaccines as a cause for Autism environmental would be misleading The Dir said, that day that they would not be using the VSD studies any more for looking for a environmental cause for Autism....up to that point, that junk science was used by the CDC to disprove a vaccine Autism connection. If you are reading this, and say that. You are just interpreting what she said wrong. Keep reading...! The CDC Dir. seem to set it in stone, that she was using junk studies all along with the following statement. That makes it crystal clear, that the Emperor [ the CDC ] had no clothes all along. The CDC Dir. Dr. Gerberding "but if you do give us more time we will do good quality studies" After reading that startling statement, one would have to come to the conclusion everything up to that point was Bad quality junk studies. Continued

The NIEHS panels head researcher, said this to a reporter. Which pretty much says it all, real clear! "that leaves the CDC with very little to say, that Vaccines and Autism are not connected in any way. She the head researcher from the NIEHS also said this; As bad as the studies that were done in the VSD were, they were an improvement over the other two [the two Denmark studies]. Since this was years before the 2011 inditement of the author of the CDC / Denmark studies,it appears [the NIEHS panels head researcher, knows fraud when she sees it] Considering the CDC, when contacting the researcher and awarding about 11 million research dollars to him,told him that the CDC was only interested in what will exhonerate the CDC and Vaccines. Excuse me, but if you are confronted with a sickness that is taking 1 % 1 in 110 childrens lives and 2 % 1 in 68 boys. Costing trillions of tax payer $$$$ and un told suffering for the children and the parents, that is a offence worse than treason. Continued

Here's where the National Vaccine Compensation Program, corruption is shown to be very evident. Knowing all this, that the CDC had only junk studies. That's,according to the NIEHS findings. The special masters of the Vaccine compensation program was set to rule on the Autism vaccine test cases, the ruling that the Special Masters came up with was that science was so over whelming against the parents, that they had no choice but to rule how they ruled against the parents. One question, from the dad of a very severely vaccine damaged child,that's suffering daily. What science special masters Hastings, would that be?? the en effect useless, or the worse than useless. That was done by a Danish researcher that is now being indicted [on 13 counts of wire fraud and 9 counts of money laundering.] Like I said, you cannot win in a real court.[with useless and worth than useless as a defense]....So when all else fails, you get the Supreme court to take away a childs due process. Which BTW is also the remedy that Congress created for the vaccine damaged children that gives total protection to the Vaccine makers. Some how, having your cake and eating it to comes to mind. Getting Congressional protection, and denying the Vaccine damaged children the very remedy that Congress had intended. Continued

If what I said is true about the Danish researcher being Indicted in the US, Why in a country that prides it's self on the boasting of it being a free Nation... Is this not breaking news? [Extra Extra, the CDC has been caught using junk studies & a Danish researcher has now been indicted for fraud and money laundering ] The Dir. after misleading the public,is now is employed by the very industry that profited from her deceiving the American public. For her deceit she was rewarded with a 2 million $$$$$ a year contract with Merck. Now that's Democracy at it's best! I recently found out, that Medco the company that we get 440 diapers a month from that is a tax payer paid program [is owned by Merck].( End User License: Merck-Medco Managed Care, L.L.C.) The perfect crime, Destroy neurologically a child to a point they are now 20 yr's old and still in diapers with their mandated tax payer vaccine program. And make a cool billion doing so, and then sell the government Mood altering drugs diapers and wet wipes. [ for the life of the child ]. And our elected officials wonder why, we are Trillions in debt.... Here's the answer [they are paying it out, to their constituents,] [ the pharmaceutical co's ] for the damage!!! they done, to our American children..... TREASON at it's finest Continued

The big question here that should be on every bodys minds,if Congress finds an agency committing something as close to treason as this. Why did they not act, to protect the American children??? And by not acting, they are responsible for the prolonging of the Autism Pandemic not Epidemic. By not acting on their Congressional findings, and the CDC own admission of guilt. It's costing Trillions for the life long care cost.. The head of the IACC Dr. Thomas Insel. Said this, after yr's of denial that the increase in Autism is even a real increase. It is appearing the increase cannot be explained away. He then said this, how we prepare a Nation for 1 million Adults that may need significant amounts of services. They are working their way through system like a wave.... He left out the Key word [ TIDAL ] WAVE If you can read this, and not find evil deceit callus disregard incompetence and something worse than treason.....then you are hopeless, and have no conscience. Or for that matter, a moral compass.

All I am giving you LDS living, is truth that is easily verified records from a Congressional report, Emails from the CDC or the FDA from the Freedom of information act, Congressional hearing testimony's, the manufacturer safety data sheet of Thimerosal,Personal testimony from a Congressman,

The CDC Dir. admitting Vaccines cause autism can be seen here in this you tube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dh-nkD5LSIg&NR=1 This is her words from the interveiw ;If a child gets some vaccines, and spikes a fever and had other complications and is predisposed to a mitochondria disorder. It can certainly set off some damage, and some of that damage could be symptoms that could be considered characteristic of Autism. That's damn clear VACCINES CAN and do CAUSE AUTISM the CDC Dir. said so. And some of that damage can be a bowell disorder from hell ( my words ) Dr. Wakefield's work was replicated many times, here and in other countries... Wake forest university found out of 82 children 70 tested proof positive for vaccine strain measles in their gut.... lead researcher words" not one was wild strain measles" Wakefield's is a truth teller, McCormick of the vaccine commission said, when talking about finding measles in the gut "we don't know, that they are not wild strain measles" McCormick you do now!!!!!!!! Here's one for you vaccine lovers, if measles itch on the out side of your body what do they feel like in the in side your lower bowel?????.do they itch? that would be unbelievable agony ....maybe that why my son lets water as hot as he can stand it run over his rear, till there's no more hot water left. That cost us 225 US. dollars a month every month give or take a few, the bowel disorder from hell is also why we go trough 440 diapers & wet wipes a month.... Gee thanks GLAXO and MERCK

I wrote this to a guy who was a shill for ? defending the heavy metals and toxins in children's vaccines vveritas Can you not read ??? I believe the fact that the CDC Dir. said any further use of the Vaccine Safety Data Link looking at Autism Environmentally ( now pay close attention ) would be ( get this ) [MISLEADING !!!!!!!!!] I also believe the fact the CDC Dir saying, when caught by the NEIHS this ; "But if you do give us more time we will do good quality studies" implies get this pay close attention THEY GOT NOTHING left!! [except bad quality studies] If you are willing to risk your childs life on bad quality studies that's your business I OTOH am not. Also the words from the now head of the NEIHS saying ;that leaves the CDC with very little to say that vaccines and Autism are not connected in any away. that pretty much leaves them with pay close attention[absolutly almost nothing!!!!] Continued

The fact that after the Geiers found in the VSD not 2.48 times risk. That verstreaten said the signal just won't go away (speaking of not being able to make the 2.48 go any lower) even after manipulation!!!! 11 and 27 times risk was reported to Congress,DPT vs non Thimerosal DPT. In fact I heard a spokes person, from Center for biologics or another agency I believe at that hearing say to the Congressman as he had his head down at almost a whisper say[ they to found 11 times risk.] The next day after the Geiers had gained access to the VSD and found the mass poisoning of the American children,[ for if legal is 2.00 and they were worried about .48 over legal then I guess finding 11.00 times risk is a death blow to the vaccine program.] 27 times risk could and should send people to prison,for life! I should think. Anyway the next day after the Geiers last visit to the VSD it was packed up and moved from the grounds of the NIH to a non governmental company at a cost to the tax payers of 190 million dollars. [With a stipulation, no outsiders can ever gain access to the VSD data. Hiding the VSD implies as doe's the President Bush trying to seal the VSD for life that they have a disaster to hide from we the people. That is un-acceptable, and could be considered Treason!!!!!! Continued

Kinda strange that Congress wanted unfettered access to the VSD, that is until they were told of the disaster that looms. If the public ever found out the true risk of ASD. Because of a vaccine preservative called Thimerosal. That the manufacturers Safety Data Sheet says it's characteristic's is; #1 that it is accumulative in the body, and it targets the organs of the body in particular the brain and the lining around the brain. #2 if you are exposed to Thimerosal any further exposiers to mercury may cause MERCURY POISONING!!!! They set the stage, for problems later on in life. And the fact that the HEP b Contained 12.5 micro grams of mercury given at birth, it sets them up for any further Thimerosal exposures via childhood vaccs for disaster because it's not just Autism it is ADD ADHD SPEECH DELAY BI-POLAR all the garbage they have created with their witches brew called the childrens vaccine program. #3 Pregnant woman are never supposed to be exposed to Thimerosal for it can cross the placenta and go into the baby and cause mild to severe mental retardation [ maybe mild ADD ADHD SPEECH DELAY severe AUTISM or BI-POLAR. In fact that was Verstreatens findings,if a child recieves 62.5 micrograms by age 3 mos. that child has a 2.48 times risk for( pay close attention ) ADD ADHD SPEECH DELAY or even AUTISM. # 4 never mix with Aluminum / the childrens Vaccines contain Aluminum.

In my investigation's on childhood vaccines, I found that the people responsible for vaccine safety. are deaf blind and stupid 1st deaf because they cannot hear and heed the warnings even when comming from the manufacturer. Also they cannot hear the screams comming from the parents and the vaccine damaged children that are suffering because of their incompetence [You are destroying the children] 2nd blind They cannot see that care for life for 1 in 110 children 1 in 68 boys is going to bankrupt once great this nation. The head of the CDC appointed IACC Dr. Insel [this is a real increase,how we prepare a Nation for one million who may need significant amounts of services,they are working their way through the system like a WAVE..... he left out the key word [TIDAL] WAVE 3rd stupid all of the above plus the fact that their own said speaking of those in vaccine safety when talking about this Preservative's accumulation in the childs body this;" this was not rocket science this was ninth grade math" he was referring to how simple it would be to add all this MERCURY and find it adding up to MERCURY POISONING and NEUROLOGICAL DAMAGE and the dumbing down of our American children.

In my investigation's on childhood vaccines, I found that the people responsible for vaccine safety. are deaf blind and stupid 1st deaf because they cannot hear and heed the warnings even when comming from the manufacturer. Also they cannot hear the screams comming from the parents and the vaccine damaged children that are suffering because of their incompetence [You are destroying the children] 2nd blind They cannot see that care for life for 1 in 110 children 1 in 68 boys is going to bankrupt once great this nation. The head of the CDC appointed IACC Dr. Insel [this is a real increase,how we prepare a Nation for one million who may need significant amounts of services,they are working their way through the system like a WAVE..... he left out the key word [TIDAL] WAVE 3rd stupid all of the above plus the fact that their own said speaking of those in vaccine safety when talking about this Preservative's accumulation in the childs body this;" this was not rocket science this was ninth grade math" he was referring to how simple it would be to add all this MERCURY and find it adding up to MERCURY POISONING and NEUROLOGICAL DAMAGE and the dumbing down of our American children.

The CDC Dir. admitting Vaccines cause autism This is her words from the interveiw ;If a child gets some vaccines, and spikes a fever and had other complications and is predisposed to a mitochondria disorder. It can certainly set off some damage, and some of that damage could be symptoms that could be considered characteristic of Autism. That's damn clear VACCINES CAN and do CAUSE AUTISM the CDC Dir. said so. And some of that damage can be a bowell disorder from hell ( my words ) Dr. Wakefield's work was replicated many times, here and in other countries... Wake forest university found out of 82 children 70 tested proof positive for vaccine strain measles in their gut.... lead researcher words" not one was wild strain measles" Wakefield's is a truth teller, McCormick of the vaccine commission said, when talking about finding measles in the gut "we don't know, that they are not wild strain measles" McCormick you do now!!!!!!!! Here's one for you vaccine lovers, if measles itch on the out side of your body what do they feel like in the in side your lower bowel?????.do they itch? that would be unbelievable agony ....maybe that why my son lets water as hot as he can stand it run over his rear, till there's no more hot water left. That cost us 225 US. dollars a month every month give or take a few, the bowel disorder from hell is also why we go trough 440 diapers & wet wipes a month.... Gee thanks GLAXO and MERCK

That British Dr. the media is referring to is a Hero, and like I said and proved. His work has been replicated many times. The head of the vaccine program for the UK Dr. Peter Fletcher from yr's past said it looks like our worse fears may have come true on the MMR. He then said something to this sort; there are people in high places that have every thing at stake on the safety of the MMR, Money & Power. And they are willing to do anything it takes to suppress, that the MMR is dangerous. Including discrediting a Dr. over false allegations. That's only guilty of one thing, having compassion for our children.

The package insert, of the single dose measles vaccine says; do not give within weeks of another live virus. What changed? that they decided, to not heed a warning that clear. Answer Nothing but the greed to buy the three in one cheaper. It came out at the GMC hearings,that when informed that if they (GSK) put the Measles Mumps and Rubella all in one. [many children may be harmed] So the UK government, made a sweet heart deal with GSK they would sheild them from all litigation (sound familiar the recent ruling by the highest court in our land "since vaccines are so unavoidably [un safe] they cannot allow the vaccine injured to sue the vaccine manufacturer" ) and pay off the parents. Well they got one thing right,they sheilded the Vaccine maker. And forgot to pay off the parents,I guess it was easier to just deny the damage done. And then deny the vaccine damaged children any compensation. What a compassionate government, that appears to be as corrupt as ours. Parents, look this up, in Australia Merck had a hit list for Dr.'s that spoke against their products Vioxx. The internal documents revealed this, their words; [we will discredit some, others we may have to seek them out and destroy them where they live] Merck makes children's vaccines, a lot of them. Do you think they act any different concerning children's vaccines??? the leopard doe's not change it's spots !!!! just because it's children's vaccines Organized crime, has done less harm. Remember the CDC was told on their watch we lost a generation of children.

That the manufacturers Safety Data Sheet of Thimerosal says it's characteristic's is; #1 that it is accumulative in the body, and it targets the organs of the body in particular the brain and the lining around the brain. #2 if you are exposed to Thimerosal any further exposiers to mercury may cause MERCURY POISONING!!!! They set the stage, for problems later on in life. And the fact that the HEP b Contained 12.5 micro grams of mercury given at birth, it sets them up for any further Thimerosal exposures via childhood vaccs for disaster because it's not just Autism it is ADD ADHD SPEECH DELAY BI-POLAR all the garbage they have created with their witches brew called the childrens vaccine program. #3 Pregnant woman are never supposed to be exposed to Thimerosal for it can cross the placenta and go into the baby and cause mild to severe mental retardation [ maybe mild ADD ADHD SPEECH DELAY severe AUTISM or BI-POLAR. In fact that was Verstreatens findings,if a child recieves 62.5 micrograms by age 3 mos. that child has a 2.48 times risk for( pay close attention ) ADD ADHD SPEECH DELAY OR even AUTISM. # 4 never mix with Aluminum / the childrens Vaccs contain Aluminum Reason the 2 react violently together when mixed. Continued

With characteristic's like this, how did it ever get into a childs vaccine? That reminds me of a email FOIA from a CDC officer "how could the FDA approve a preservative with out knowing how much mercury it contained" he then said "what else is lurking we know nothing about" They did not, it was grand fathered in when the FDA was formed. At a congressional hearing, Congressman Dan Burton the head of the government reform committee was grilling a Dr. Egan from the centers for biologics. He said you (speaking of the CDC CBER FDA all in control of vaccine safety) had an interim plan in the 80's to get rid of this (he was speaking of the preservative Thimerosal that was in most children s vaccines) stuff why didn't you? Dr. Egan reply was very cocky at first, he said I was not working for the agency back then you would have to ask someone who was. Ok! Dr. Egan why is it, that there has not been any research by the FDA or the industry on Thimerosal since 1929 the only research was done on 22 people dieing of meningitis? They all died Dr Egan and we don't know if this stuff is safe or not.....The Congressman then said Dr. Egan on you watch we lost a generation of children. Dr.Egan that was so cocky, his eyes got as big a saucers he looked like a deer caught in head lights. He could not say a word he was totally speechless. After the hearing, it took 2 woman from health an human services to to escort him. arm and arm holding him up out of the building.

Forukoo, as long as you continue to repeat your diatribes, I will repeat the crux of the matter. .....not only are you doing an extremely lousy job of standing up for vaccinations. You are also doing an extremely lousy job of standing up for the Brethren on the issue, so now I feel the need to step in and defend the Brethren from your insinuations. The issue of aborted fetal tissue in vaccines has surely not been disclosed to the Brethren by the medical “experts” setting vaccine policy for the Church. The issue of aborted fetal tissue in vaccines, however has now been fully disclosed to you. You have attempted to dig a pit for others, and now you have fallen in it.

You think after reading all of what I wrote, they do not know of the damage they have caused to our children?

The CDC said, we do not know the long or the short term effects of this. So we are suspending, the GSK version because pig virus bits #1 were found the GLAXO version of the Roto virus vaccine. Weeks later, the same researcher said it is also in the Merck version. But with a twist. It has pig virus bits #2 in them. That causes wasting in pigs,such as what is seen in humans with aids. The CDC says we do not know the short term, or the long term effects of this. But we think the good out weighs the bad....If you don't know? how is that possible, to except the risk for someone else s child ??????? Ever heard of erring on the side of causation....... You have got to be kidding, These people are as dumb as a box of rocks......and very very dangerous.

Oh! I left out, corrupted to the core......

Thank you for taking the time to share your insights here, ccdaddy. I appreciate you weighing in.

ever heard of erring on the side of caution not causation (sorry)

Thank you also, marlenekay for posting additional information regarding the reality of the use of aborted fetal tissue in the manufacture of vaccines...which subsequently then ends up as an ingredient in the vaccines. See documentation of that fact in the earlier referenced search.

Thank you LDS for allowing outsiders to comment That was very commendable.

After reading fooruku's comments, I wonder if you are insinuating that any LDS member who does not vaccinate according to the CDC schedule, even if they have received revelation not to, is on the road to apostasy? Because the Brethern didn't single out those with medical contraindications in their statements, are you saying that those who do not vaccinate for medical reasons are also in danger of denying the faith?

fooruku, WHY ARE YOU PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH...WHAT YOU SAY IS ABSOLUTELY NO TRUE, AND EXTREMELY IMMATURE, AND PETTY.....YOU HAVE MY REAL NAME, MY REAL EMAIL, AND MY WEBSITE.....ALL I KNOW ABOUT YOU IS YOUR FAKE VIRTUAL NAME. I REALLY THINK THAT SPEAKS VOLUMES IN AND OF ITSELF. HERE ARE A COUPLE OF LINKS...http://www.drcarley.com/Horrors_of_Vaccination_Exposed.pdf...http://www.thinktwice.com/Polio.pdf....There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all argument, and which cannot fail to keep man in everlasting ignorance. That principle is condemnation without investigation. Herbert Spencer (1820-1903)

Here is some time sensitive perspective for those of you who are interested in educating yourselves. I have been very blessed in my search for truth, and because of this my practice is extremely successful at healing the individuals that seek help here. The following website is a treasure trove of knowledge lost (no fooruku, I did not mean by this statement that everything from the landing page to the last document is eternal truth, just so you don't get confused again about my meaning).....www.soilandhealth.org...go to the health library section....then take me to the library....then to the "Hadwen Papers"....which are about 1/4-1/5 fo the way down the page....you will find this take on the small pox from someone who lived and treated patients during this time very interesting to say the least.....then go to this link....

"You either believe that the First Presidency are lead by the Lord, that they study all sides and pray often before making a statement to the entire Church, or you don't. Which is it? It is a simple question and requires a yes or no answer." Fooruku, if this is so black and white, then why do you and Brethern advocate using a product that requires the killing of unborn babies, which is clearly doctrine? Are you and they then not complicit in murder? C'mon, you are mudslinging and taking things way out of context. You know many members are in excellent standing that are pro-choice, liberals, and even socialist minded and yet I can site many a quote in many a manual from many a prophet that would say these people are in jeopardy. I think it is well that God is our final judge and not you or any other man. "There have been a few incidents of science and statements made by prophets clashing. The “moonmen incident” is one of them. Brigham Young (in accordance with the scientific beliefs of the time) said he believed the moon to be inhabited. Many critics have held this up to be “proof” that Brigham Young was not a true prophet, because (they say) a true prophet would have known that the moon was uninhabited. Now if you really want a twist, note that as an apostle Joseph Fielding Smith said the thought it "doubtful that man will ever be permitted to make any instrument or ship to travel through space and visit the moon or any distant planet.” (2) Though, it seems obvious to us that man can travel to the moon, there was a time during the “Space Race” when it looked doubtful, especially with the tragedy of Apollo 1. Brigham Young and Jospeh Fielding Smith were relying on the statements of those who were in positions of authority in the field of science in their respective lifetimes. (3) The Lord reveals what is necessary for the administration of the Church. Furthermore, if He simply revealed every scientific fact to His prophets, no one would have to work to find out knowledge. I believe our Heavenly Father wants us to find out answers for ourselves. After all, He doesn’t come to each of us individually and reveal to us that this is His restored gospel; we are told to ponder and study it out and find out for ourselves." quote from the www.passingthedestroyingangel.blogspot.com site. Yes, my testimony of the first presidency is firm. My testimony of prayer and revelation are also firm. When the two conflict, I have no problem reconciling them.

sorry - abortion clearly against doctrine

I bear witness to the fact that many of todays vaccines contain aborted fetal tissue. Additionally, vaccinations as a whole are a fraud, they don't work anyway -- and they are very, very dangerous. For documentation of those facts and many others, see the above referenced search for information. One need not take my word for it. In that documentation is found the testimony of a great many honest, courageous, and extremely credible doctors, scientists, researchers and others. Expert witnesses not bought-and-paid-for by Big Pharma, who are telling you the truth. My great concern is that as many parents and grandparents as possible, both within and without the Church, be convinced of these truths -- so that greater and greater numbers of innocent chidren will cease to have these dangerous injections forced upon them -- in an atmosphere totally devoid of real informed consent by those who should have provided it...and it is happening. I have been very involved in the Vaccine Resistance movement for two years and I have seen it occurring...success far beyond what I had even hoped. People are waking up in droves, both in the church, and especially without...and I am grateful for that...waking up in droves,especially since the UN,the WHO, Big Pharma, Traditional Medicine, and the mainstream press were all caught red-handed, fomenting a phony level-6 pandemic, during the spring, summer and fall of 2009...wherein the very real possibility was discussed of forced vaccinations. The actual carrying out of forced vaccination means involuntary incarceration for those who refuse...and then when you are incarcerated, if they want to, they can strap you down and give it to you anyway. I do believe that enough refusers are now awakened to overwhelm resources and prevent such a scenario from actually becoming a reality. The next thing I would like to see come to pass is enough refusers who know the truth -- refusing to roll up their sleeves and that of their children's -- that that entire, evil Vaccine Industry will be put out of business once and for all...and one diabolical tool will be removed from the hands of the modern-day-secret-combination -- by which they are able to cause great harm to us, our children, and our grandchildren...as they continue on in their evil, Luciferian plan of depopulation and enslavement.

Thank you DrJTaylor for posting that most excellent link about Polio, an excerpt from Neil Z Millier's extremely well documented book, The Vaccination Safety Manual... http://www.thinktwice.com/Polio.pdf ...It contains the truth about what really happened with respect to the Polio epidemic, and coincides with neurospecialist and brain surgeon Russell Blaylock, M.D.'s testimony about it, referenced in an earlier post.

If any of you are interested in a great source for information on the epidemic of regressive autism, then visit www.ageofautism.com...Fact---there is a very distinct difference between classical autism and this regressive autism epidemic that we see in our children today...., different causes and etiology. The stats for classical autism are still about the same as they were before the regressive autism epidemic, but the medical/industrial establishment keeps muddying the waters by what I call crossover strategy. What this does is confuse most people and detract from the real causes and etiology. Genetics is a sacred cow much like vaccines, and most do not understand it. Genetic predisposition affects us all, but genetic disease itself is extremely rare...... Blaming this on genetics is an extremely obvious copout, and is completely unconscionable....Jay Joseph, Psy.D has challenged the current genetics theory, and written on this topic extensively. Everyone should read his material because it is serious food for thought...here is a link to his site http://www.jayjoseph.net/. .....enjoy......things really are not what they seem always, and there are a lot of us who are going to be in a pickle (so to speak) if we do not wake up soon.

doctorjtaylor what have I said about that has put words in your mouth? I have not spoken for you in any way. Nor have I said your not who you say you are. I said that online anyone can be anything they want, and should not be taken at face value, everyone here will question the integrity of anyone opposing their view, though will accept without question whatever is said when someone agrees with them. I have little doubt you are a doctor juts as I have little doubt that the that wrote the article is a real doctor also, but interestingly his integrity and authenticity was questioned, yet your never was. While you have a problem with my 'fake' name, you have no issue with the other 'fake' names as you have not questioned those. However how do you know that my name is not in fact Fooruku?........And yes 'thebirthsource' I know all about the 'moonman comment' from Brigham Young, the big difference is that was not made as a Statement to the Church from the First Presidency of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. The Statement I provided was. And really look, if you pray and decide not to vaccinate that is fine, but to doggedly push your views to the point that you do your best to make anyone who does not agree with your view out to be stupid, bad parents, and too blind to see the 'truth' in front of them, is not the way to get any message across...... Yes in the end God will be our judge, so I choose to prayerfully follow his chosen leaders and listen to them when they speak to the Church, I believe that if I do that I am protected by the promise of the Lord, that his Prophet will never lead us astray....See, the big difference is I am willing for you to have your view, yet you are not happy that I have mine…. While I believe we should all prayerfully listen to and follow the Prophet, we all do so at different levels, with different motives and in differing ways. I don't know you, just as you don't know me, so I would never say you’re on the road to apostasy, that's not my call, nor it is yours to say I am on that road or for that matter wrong on this subject... IF you all believe that the First Presidency are not aware of the issues here, then take it upon yourselves to inform them…. And if they make a Statement to the Church that changes the previous one, I will prayerfully listen to it….. Oh and before I am lumped with believing all that ‘Big ANYTHING’ tells us, I don't, I am a very sceptical and non-believing type of person, when it comes to big business/companies and organisations. I am sceptical of any group that are focused on one single thing, this does not mean I don't accept what they are doing is right, only that I research it first and I will look at the background and qualifications of those in charge. I am far from Blind Pete when it comes to what happens around me. Just because I do not agree with your views on vaccination does not mean that I disagree with all your views. All I have kept trying to say in this forum is be open to other view points, dogmatism sends most people packing unless your preaching to the 'converted'! So if you really want your views to be listened to don't act so superior and condescending to those that don't agree with you, stop doing and say all you can trying to make them sound like they are plain stupid, because they aren't, or bad parents because they aren’t. I am not sure why 'balance' seems to be such a horrible thing to so many here.

drjtaylor, I see now what I said that got your knickers in a twist, that was I'm afraid your misunderstanding me because of a missing word. I was not trying to imply that is what you said or what you think, this is why I put it as a question to you. The missing word should have been at the beginning 'do', this was meant however missed as happens for us all at times, and for which I am sorry. Oh and I love the Herbert Spenser quote, have used it before myself. I guess I could take it as a possible dig from you toward me as someone you believe does not investigate, but I won’t because I believe you would be bigger than that. I do investigate everything before I follow and I pray. And the quote is indeed a very true statement. See we can agree on something and really we would more than likely agree on many things, if we discussed them….. Also I do not condemn those that choose not to vaccinate, I don't agree with you and I believe that you’re not vaccinating MAY cause some diseases become more widespread, but you have that right to not vaccinate…. The fact is I simply do not like the way in which many of you who choose not to vaccinate do condemn those that do vaccinate, yet you do it and in effect you’re telling us were 'stupid' though it is as a loving favour to us in the hope we will ‘open our eyes’ and accept your view and them we will finally be 'well informed' and smart.

*Herbert 'Spencer' just correcting the miss spelt name in the previous post I made.

Forukoo, as long as you continue to repeat your diatribes, I will repeat the crux of the matter. .....not only are you doing an extremely lousy job of standing up for vaccinations. You are also doing an extremely lousy job of standing up for the Brethren on the issue, so now I feel the need to step in and defend the Brethren from your insinuations. The issue of aborted fetal tissue in vaccines has surely not been disclosed to the Brethren by the medical “experts” setting vaccine policy for the Church. The issue of aborted fetal tissue in vaccines, however has now been fully disclosed to you. You have attempted to dig a pit for others, and now you have fallen in it.

Dr.Boud you said this; A vaccine is to your immune system as college is to life. It prepares you in a relatively safe and controlled environment for potential challenges you may be faced with later on. Giving you all due respect sir for being a Dr. that's the biggest misstatement in history. Collage is not full of Toxins and heavy metals, example Thimerosal the 50% mercury by weight based preservative that was in children s vaccines. The MSDS states that Thimerosal is never supposed to be mixed with Aluminum, understand that's the maker saying DO NOT do this. Dr.the reason was that the two react violently together when mixed, one causes the other to oxidize. And also you have what is called the synergy effect of the two salts being mixed, in other words when mercury will kill when injected 100 brain cells mix another metal such as Aluminum and that number climbs by 10 times to 1000 Brain cells. Aluminum is in children's vaccines as a catalyst. To cause a grater immune response. Now lets address the Blood Brain Barrier that's not even intact at birth, when the hep-b is given. An NIH paid study on baby primates revealed that Thimerosal crosses the BBB easier than doe's the fish mercury that you Dr.'s tell women to stay away from. All the while telling a pregnant woman to get two flu shots, that contains a mercury that the study revealed not only crosses the BBB easier but after it has entered the brain turns into INORGANIC MERCURY by 2.5 times that as doe's the fish mercury. That by the way, is the most damaging to the mitochondria and also depletes the glutathione that a child or adult needs to excrete mercury. Also on the MSDS is, if you are exposed to Thimerosal,any further exposures to mercury may cause mercury poisoning. Dr. it appears, the manufacturer is telling you if you are exposed to Thimerosal it sets you up for further damage for every time you are exposed to mercury whether it be via childhood vaccines or coal powered mercury spewing plants or other possible Mercury exposures. Dr. you said;It prepares you in a relatively safe and controlled environment..It came out in a study that children who were flu vaccinated, were more likely to be hospitalized later on in life than children who had not had the flu vaccine. Dr. formaldehyde is in vaccines, the katrina disaster gave us some insight as to how bad formaldehyde is. When FEMA gave out trailers for people to live in, it was quickly found that the trailers contained formaldehyde you see Dr. the children were getting sick with respiratory problems. A CDC spokes person came forward and said there is absolutely no safe levels of formaldehyde what so ever. Doe's that exclude children's vaccines Dr.??? they have it in them. Formaldehyde was recently put on the carcinogen list. Dr.Boud could that be the reason for the high numbers of childhood cancers?? Dr. Boud we are ever learning in science on all fronts,but when it comes to childhood vaccines we think we can put anything we want injected in the body of a child. And when we put mercury in a child and get mercury poisoning we rename it Autism ADD ADHD Speech Delay. We put a carcinogen in and get brain cancer in a child we say that child was going to get cancer anyway..... No Dr.childhood vaccines in their current form and schedule are not safe.....

Thank you, CCdaddy...and lest we forget, even those vaccines that had the mercury removed are still very, very dangerous -- as documented in the search referenced above.

Dr.Boud with just a little Google search I found the most damaging to the mitochondria, it is Inorganic Mercury and MSG both of which are in children's vaccines. The recent findings that the children that are falling ill with Autism most have a Mitochondria problem. What came 1st the chicken or the egg? in other words is the birth dose of hep-b with it's 12.5 micro grams of mercury damaging the Mitochondria? And is further exposures as the MSDS says is possible causing more damage to a point that the body's immune system just can't take anymore stress and the child regresses into Autism. Or doe's the child who is vaccinated already have a mitochondria problem, that when given a immune stresser such as vaccines are can't take the stress and regresses into Autism?? Either way, vaccines are the culprit, and if vaccines were not given to the child the child would be normal.....

...and in fact, with respect specifically to autism rates, the evidence demonstrates steeply increasing autism rates which correlated with bumping up the shot schedule, in the late 1980s along with spikes in rates corresponding with the timing of escalation in use of aborted fetal tissue in vaccines -- even with the mercury having been reduced in many of the vaccines due to public outcry over the mercury at the time. So yes, vaccines containing mercury compounds are very, very dangerous...and so are vaccines that have had the mercury compounds reduced or removed.

Kennedy was told this from the CDC vaccine commission even if it is true (meaning if the vaccines are causing Autism and all this damage in our children)these children are part of a national sacrifice so that the rest of us can remain healthy..... How many people would vaccinate their child if they your childs Ped. came in and said that there is a 1 in 110 chance your child will become a national sacrifice so that the rest of us can remain healthy....unless he is a boy that number is then changed to 1 in 68.....

How many people would vaccinate their child if your childs Ped. came in and said that there is a 1 in 110 chance your child will become a national sacrifice so that the rest of us can remain healthy........unless he is a boy that number is then changed to 1 in 68.....I believe most parents would pick up there child and run!!!! not walk out of that Ped's office.For someone to not value a child's life more than that, is insane!!!

This is an important point because there was a time when too many parents were focusing just on the mercury -- believing that was the only problem, only to allow their children to be vaccinated with what they were told were "safe" vaccines, because the mercury had been removed. This deception has contributed to vaccine-damaged children in very high numbers.

Remember the truth conveyed to us by DrJTaylor, quoting Mayer Eisenstein, M.D. ...NO VACCINATION, NO AUTISM. I will remind you that Mayer Eisenstein is a student of the late, renowned pediatrician, Robert S Mendelsohn. Dr Eisenstein has a huge practice with 35,000 kids that have never been vaccinated and an autism incidence of zero compared to the staggering national figures of 1 in 166 (now more) having autism. The Amish who do not vaccinate also have no autism -- except 2 cases -- both kids had been born outside the Amish society and received vaccination before coming back into the Amish society. The Amish have been blessed immensely by their wisdom with respect to vaccinations.

...population figure for the Amish...249 thousand.

Junk article full of standard pro-vaccine, industry-supported propaganda. Scare tactics and nonsense. The Thinktwice Global Vaccine Institute (www.thinktwice.com) provides uncensored vaccine information. I remember a phone call we received at Thinktwice several years ago from a young Mormon student at BYU who was forced to receive several vaccines to go on his mission. He took the shots and very quickly developed multiple-sclerosis-like symptoms that crippled him and destroyed his immune system. Research the facts; don't be influenced by propaganda. Dr. Mayer Eisenstein wrote a great book on this topic -- Make an Informed Vaccine Decision (www.vacbook.com)

...very excellent points once again, CCDaddy.

Thank you for your comment, Nate. I very much appreciate you posting that.

I think I'm kinda done reading this thread of comments. I've continued reading because I found everything that fooruku said extremely interesting and insightful. There have been some good discussions on vaccines and what our Church leaders have said on other sites but not on this thread. Fooruku's comments and reactions to comments directed at him to me are very telling. He defined diatribe and yet anytime he makes a comment most on this thread simply repeat or copy and paste things they've said before. I'm probably one of the few pro-vaccine people still reading this. I have done my research and prayed about and I am pro-vaccine. Many of you might say that I can't have done my research properly if that is the choice I've made, or incredulous that despite everything I've read I'm still pro-vaccine. And yet I'm incredulous that despite everything fooruku said about what our leaders have said and all the articles about positives that there are to vaccines members of the Church still don't vaccinate. But that's just my opinion and feelings. I've chosen to do as my Church leaders have urged us. Period.

You must have missed, Danielle, your fellow LDS members, here, trying to explain that these are mere men & prone to error who you count on for truth to this matter.......They do in fact, unwittingly, follow the CDC recommendations as has been made clear here........The evidence behind vaccines has been proven & made quite clear for you & the science behind vaccines so many have bought into has been proven fraud beyond a shadow of a doubt........Obviously, fooruku & you have not been paying attention........And I assure you that you are not the only one watching this conversation, Danielle........That goes for LDS's which I am friends with & others who care about you & your children.......I promise, many are watching & that goes for those silent who have not & will not comment but they are taking this all in........Your church will soon be making clear the outcome to the real debate because the good Lord & your own people will be seeing to that........You have been duped & it is time to wake up for the sake of children, everywhere........You can deny all you want but people paying attention have seen this play out & all anyone who's, actually, looking for truth has to do is scroll back & take both sides to this matter in & truth will come shining through. Case closed.

Correction on what I wrote...My heart was burdened with writing, "these are mere men"...I do realize these men are prophets & I apologize for my error. But even they are prone to error.

There we have it. When what the Brethren say does not agree with our view they are simply 'mere men & prone to error' sorry 'mofmars333, I will use your correction of yourself the Brethren are at times ‘mere Prophets & prone to error' who it seems ‘unwittingly follow the CDC recommendations’…because I guess on this point at least the Brethren do not use prayer or sort the Lords direction, they simply decided to rely on man to guide the Lords people….I do agree one point they are men and Prophets, I even agree that they can at times make mistakes as all men can, however when they speak to the Church as a whole and make a Statement as the First Presidency, I have to feel it has been done through much prayer and under the guidance and direction of the Lord, whether I like what is said or not. We are told by that very Presidency to pray about what they have said to us so we can gain the testimony as they have that what they have said is true…..It is also telling how mofmars333 says ‘You have been duped & it is time to wake up for the sake of children, everywhere’ …. I get your sincere and passionate about this mofmars333, and while you’re welcome to believe as you wish, it is pretty condescending and arrogant to say if we do not believe as you do that we ‘have been duped’ even though we have also studied it out and prayed about our decision. Then your next statement seems to make it more clear .....’You can deny all you want’….I assume there that you mean those pro vaccination…. ‘people paying attention have seen this play out & all anyone who's, actually, looking for truth has to do is scroll back & take both sides to this matter in & truth will come shining through.’ ….Yes very telling unless we are against vaccination we are not ‘actually looking for truth’ ….so obviously I should not really study both sides with an open mind, I should look only at one side ‘yours’ with an open mind to find the ‘truth’ because the other side is full or lies by conspiring men and ‘Big Pharma’ and nothing written that is for vaccination can be trusted according to your view…. Danielle_pederson thank you for your support, like you I have foolishly kept returning to see if a good and open discussion could be had, but I fear it is not possible, for unless you agree with the view that vaccinations are 100% terrible and a conspiracy by ‘Big Pharma’ to bring their nefarious agenda into action and make money, you are shot down and not listened to. Sadly there is no balance or discussion here on this forum, only congratulations and thanks to those against vaccination and vitriol and bitterness to anyone who will dare say the world is on the whole a better place today because of the miracle of vaccination, even with the side effects that can occur at times.

Forukoo, as long as you continue to repeat your diatribes, I will repeat the crux of the matter. .....not only are you doing an extremely lousy job of standing up for vaccinations. You are also doing an extremely lousy job of standing up for the Brethren on the issue, so now I feel the need to step in and defend the Brethren from your insinuations. The issue of aborted fetal tissue in vaccines has surely not been disclosed to the Brethren by the medical “experts” setting vaccine policy for the Church. The issue of aborted fetal tissue in vaccines, however has now been fully disclosed to you. You have attempted to dig a pit for others, and now you have fallen in it.

my very point is made by the above

http://blip.tv/hdnet-world-report/vaccines-and-autism-mixed-signals-5479546 1-contacted the office of the first presidency concerning the vaccination policy of the church, if any. 2-the office of the first presidency deferred us to Dr. Staker who is the Cheif medical officer and medical director (also president Monson's doctor) 3-Dr. Staker told me and others who were present that they simply follow the CDC recommendations 4-Dr. Staker recommended us to go to Deseret News to increase awareness amongst the people The church has no official vaccination policy outside of the missionary program (which is following the CDC recs as stated by Dr. Staker) no matter what anybody's personal interpretation may be. I have spoken with them directly, and the answer was clear and simple.

Thank you DrJTaylor for all you are doing and all you have done.

...a good place to re-insert this...An in-depth discussion of that precise topic occurred a year-and-a-half ago. In the above referenced search, look for the thread entitled Vaccine Infowar In Cardston Country and go to page 1. Additionally, for an in-depth discussion of the issue of missionary vaccinations along with how to deal with concerns regarding that issue in an appropriate manner, go to page 7 and then page 4. (Using the Google search engine, the phrase -- Infowars: They Want To Inject My Kid With What?!!! )

Hi doctorjtaylor, this is the problem I have, while you more than likely had the conversation you say you had. I too have had over the years many conversations on several subjects with several of the Brethren, including this one. However I will not bring any of those up in this forum, as they took place between just two of us or a very small group, so while saying it happened and providing details to back up my view, it is simply pointless as there is no proof other than my saying it happened. So honestly, your saying this is all well and good and will be eaten up by all that agree with you on the subject, but there is no proof other than your word and really few people ‘know’ you enough to be able to just accept your word, nor would I expect anyone who does not know me well, to accept my word alone that it happened…. So I supply what the Brethren and Sisters have said on the subject along with a Statement from the First Presidency all of which has been placed on the Official website of the Church, not one that has ‘lds’ somewhere in the domain….The Church has an official ‘policy’ that Missionaries need to be vaccinated, yet they can decide not to and still go on a mission, it will simply limit where they will be able to serve. Much like the Word of Wisdom, you can come to Church every Sunday and participate in lesion and activity, while also having a glass of red wine (there is reams of evidence that a glass a day will help your health) every night with dinner, if you so choose, but doing so will limit your participation in the ‘fullness’ of the Gospel…. For me if the First Presidency make a Statement to the Church, I will listen, I will pray and follow, because while it may not be a ‘policy’ I do believe such a statement comes to me through the study and prayer of those Brethren in seeking the guidance of the Lord, and honestly who better to receive that guidance than they? I suspect their lives are lived closer to the Lord than any of us. Also the Lord has promised that if I prayerfully follow the Brethren I will always be protected. I may not always like it or understand ‘why’ but when the Brethren speak I should be listening.

Fooruku I agree with you. (and it seems that some of them just can't spell your name right can they?) That's what the fifth time opr has commented that exact same thing? --Always in response to something you've said but not actually discussing anything that was in your comment just before it. In the discussion that opr references just above there is a much better vaccine discussion with more open minded people. I'm pro-vaccine. If there are any other pro-vacciners still reading this, know that you're not alone. Many have left this thread because it's such a one sided and sometimes attacking conversation. I haven't been duped. I've listened to the Spirit and done what is best for my family.

Good for you Danielle, that is all any of us should do. Blindly repeating things over and over, attacking those that don't agree with you, and simply lacking the respect to get a persons name 'screen' or otherwise correct does not make a discussion. I would have said that getting my name wrong may have been an attempt to have a play on words by the person doing it however I feel that may give them too much credit. Continue to listen to the Brethren and follow the Spirit, that way you will never be able to go wrong.

Here's my two cents. I have five kids. All have been vaccinated. All are doing well. There's no doubt to me that I protected them far more by vaccinating them than giving into the hysteria of "what ifs". You don't stop driving in a car simply because there are some people that get into accidents. I suppose there are some that may do that, but we generally think of those people as irrational. I wonder what the Brethren think of cars :)

(if the foundation is flawed, then the building will not stand, or we can use the sand vs rock analogy upon which to build a house) We must look with more diligence, just look at all of the facts and prevent the "alliswellinzionitis" syndrome from overtaking us, there is no vaccination for this...eeeek... WHO SMALLPOX ERADICATION SUCCESS RECONSIDERED: Although smallpox is apparently now accorded to the history books, it will be necessary to re-examine the issue of this disease having been universally eradicated, with particular reference to the WHO eradication campaign. An honest look at this question is of considerable importance, as the current worldwide UCI-EPI program gains much of its legitimacy and inspiration from this widely acclaimed success story. A strong challenge to this now popular view, is reflected in the post-campaign findings of medical researchers like Buttram and Hoffman: Most people probably credit the smallpox vaccine with playing the major role in recent eradication of smallpox throughout the world, but let us examine the facts. In the article 'Vaccines a Future in Question,' statistics showed that less than 10 percent of children in developing countries have received vaccines. They went on to comment that with this level of coverage, the WHO campaign was not a real factor in the eradication. Data obtained in their broad based research also led them to conclude that "mass smallpox vaccination was not necessary for the eradication of smallpox.110 In further examining this question from a longer historical perspective, it became readily apparent that the WHO claim did not at all square with the earlier data, i.e., historical smallpox eradication efforts. If we go back as far as the last century, we discover that Creighton's independent research findings as published in the Ninth Edition of the Encyclopedia Britannica, strongly contradict the effectiveness of mass smallpox immunization programs. A few revealing excerpts follow: . . . in Bavaria in 1871 of 30,742 cases 29,429 were in vaccinated persons, or 95.7 percent. Notwithstanding the fact that Prussia was the best re-vaccinated country in Europe, its mortality from smallpox in the epidemic of 1871 was higher (69,839) than any other Northern state. According to a competent statistician (A. Vogt), the death-rate from smallpox in the German army, in which all recruits are re-vaccinated, was 60 percent more than among the civil population of the same age . . . although re-vaccination is not obligatory among the latter. It is often alleged that the unvaccinated are so much inflammable material in the midst of the community, and that smallpox begins among them and gathers force so that it sweeps even the vaccinated before it. Inquiry into the facts has shown that at Cologne in 1870 the first unvaccinated person attacked by smallpox was the 174th in order of time, at Bonn the same year the 42d, and at Liegnitz in 1871 the 225th.111 As we move on into the earlier part of this century we find the same dismal picture of increased susceptibility correlated with increased vaccination coverage. Dettman and Kalokerinos describe a visit they paid to the Philippines about 15 years ago: . . . We were fortunate enough to address their own medical (and) health officials where we reminded them of the incidence of smallpox in formerly "immunized" Filipinos. We invited them to consult their own medical records and asked them to correct us if our own facts and figures disagreed. No such correction has been forthcoming, and we can only conclude that between 1918-1919 there were 112,549 cases of smallpox notified, with 60,855 deaths. Systematic (mass) vaccination started in 1905, and since its introduction case mortality increased alarmingly. Their own records comment that "The mortality is hardly explainable." 112 Speaking at a 1973 environmental conference in Brussels, Professor George Dick admitted that in recent decades, 75 percent of those that have contracted smallpox in Britain, have had prior a history of vaccination. In that "only 40%" of children were vaccinated (and at most 10 percent of adults), such figures clearly indicate that the vaccinated--as in the much earlier historical record--continue to show a higher tendency to contract the disease. Dick also admitted that smallpox had been eradicated in certain tropical countries without mass vaccination.113 (Table VIII reveals that in the 16 year period preceding the year the WHO eradication campaign was launched--38 additional countries had ceased to report any smallpox cases.)114 A. Hutchison writing in the Journal of the Royal Society in 1974, referred to the smallpox vaccines "lack of potency" and the inadequacies of other measures for containment, in his words, "I have given details of the various outbreaks of smallpox in Britain and where they were diagnosed. These clearly indicate that the (preventive) measures are most ineffective.115 An article in the New Scientist indicates that "The smallpox family of viruses is genetically unstable," and that new viral strains which threaten the "WHO smallpox eradication programme, could emerge anywhere.116 It is thus of interest that in a 1980 article in the Australasian Nurses Journal, Dettman and Kalokerinos pointed out that electron-microscopy cannot distinguish between the various "poxviruses.117 (According to D, de Saving of IDRC, as of 1990 DNA sequencing can make the distinquishingment. What is not known though, is whether this has any beating on the reporting of the various "pox" diseases worldwide.) This fact led them to raise a vitally significant question "as to whether smallpox may be declared conquered, (it's estimated that only 10 percent of the world population actually received the vaccine) with the possibility of it masquerading under the guise of a similar pox." Their line of evidence and reasoning is summarily stated: . . . we claim that if the evidence is honestly evaluated that smallpox has actually been prolonged and that the so called protective vaccinations actually put the recipient at risk from . . . the disease itself. Authorities now realize this and the 'top world' countries are making vociferous protests about third world countries continuing use of smallpox vaccination because (a) suddenly it has become recognized that it is an extremely dangerous procedure, (To give some idea of the vaccine's dangers, it was reported--in the late sixties--that annually, roughly 3,000 children were experiencing varying degrees of brain damage due to the smallpox vaccine; and according to G. Kiftel in 1967, smallpox vaccination damaged the hearing of 3,296 children in West Germany, of which 71 became totally deaf.117) and (b) it has now been conquered. The ultimate in ingenuity. . . .118 In turning to recognized textbooks on human virology and vertebrate viruses we find that attention has been given since 1970 to a disease called "monkeypox," which is said to be "clinically indistinguishable from smallpox." Cases of this disease have been found in Zaire, Cameroon, Nigeria, Ivory Coast, Liberia, and Sierra Leone (by May 1983, 101 cases have been reported). It is observed that " . . . the existence of a virus that can cause clinical smallpox is disturbing, and the situation is being closely monitored."119 (For a highly detailed account of the history of this disease and efforts to eradicate it, which further corroborates these observations, see, Razzell P., The Conquest of Smallpox, Caliban Books, United Kingdom, 1977.)

The Benson family grew steadily, until there were eleven children. “Our home, of course, had been enlarged as the family increased. In the big bedroom upstairs there were five of us boys. As the family grew, two of the boys (usually the older ones) would sleep on the screened porch built on to the side of the kitchen. More than once I woke up to find a light covering of snow on my bed.“We had very good health, however, and very little serious illness except when epidemics came. I remember we all had smallpox, mumps, and measles. When the first of the children had smallpox we segregated him into one of the bedrooms. Soon the second one caught it, and the third, and the fourth, until we had the bedroom filled. As I remember, we all had smallpox, but we all got along fine. There was great fellowship and love in the family.BY THE ARGUMENT OR INFERENCE OF THE "OPEN MINDED", EZRA TAFT BENSON'S FAMILY WAS NOT HEEDING THE COUNSEL OF THE LORD...SHAME, SHAME.....I GUESS HIS FAMILY WAS NOT SO OPEN MINDED OR CONCERNED FOR THE HEALTH OF THEIR FAMILY. FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE "OPEN MINDED", YOU CAN INTERPRET MY COMMENTS HOWEVER YOU WANT (WE ALL DO THIS), AND CALL THEM FACETIOUS IF YOU LIKE, BUT THERE HAVE BEEN MANY POSTS THAT SEEM TO DRIP WITH INNOCENCE AND SPIRITUALITY THAT ARE SIMPLY FULL OF SUBTLE DIGS, INSULTS, AND PERSONAL ATTACKS. THIS IS THE WORST KIND OF HYPOCRISY. OH YEAH, AND THE TONE OF THESE "POSTS" IS CONDESCENDING ALSO....

JUST SO YOU KNOW, I DO NOT DISLIKE, OR WISH ANYONE ON THIS FORUM BAD JUJU....THIS IS A VERY SERIOUS ISSUE AND I AM ENCOURAGED TO SEE LIVELY DISCUSSION, AND IT NEEDS TO CONTINUE...THE TRUTH WILL COME OUT IN THE END....HERE IS SOME MORE FROM THE "OFFICIAL WEBSITE FO THE CHURCH" ONE HAS HUMOR WHICH WE NEED....Mama’s necklace had been a special gift from her mother before their family left for the Salt Lake Valley. But by the time they reached Omaha, Mama had smallpox, and it had been necessary to pull out of the wagon train for a time. While very ill, Mama had whispered: “Have faith. Good things can come from bad. You must sell the necklace to buy medicine and necessities to continue our journey.” So they sold Mama’s special necklace.Now they had joined the wagon train again. Papa entered the wagon with a lantern. In the dim light, Mama’s face was pale, still scabbed with smallpox......Looking up, the Indian chief saw Mama’s scabbed face and pointed toward her. Mama jumped from the wagon. Other Indians, seeing her smallpox scabs, turned their ponies. Whooping and shouting, they galloped across the prairie and disappeared over a rise.The Benson family grew steadily, until there were eleven children. “Our home, of course, had been enlarged as the family increased. In the big bedroom upstairs there were five of us boys. As the family grew, two of the boys (usually the older ones) would sleep on the screened porch built on to the side of the kitchen. More than once I woke up to find a light covering of snow on my bed.A member of the tribe, Captain Lochee, invited Elder Harris to stay with his family. Three of Captain Lochee’s children were very sick with smallpox.During the night, Elder Harris heard one of the children crying and gasping for breath. Captain Lochee told Elder Harris that his 12-year-old daughter was dying. Elder Harris’s journal tells what happened next: “The Spirit of the Lord moved upon me very strongly to administer to her, which I did. She revived and slept well the remainder of the night.” Then Elder Harris blessed the two other sick children, and they also recovered.The next morning, news of the healings spread throughout the village. Elder Harris was asked to visit 25 families who had members sick with smallpox. For four days, he visited 10 to 20 families a day and administered to their sick. Nearly everyone he blessed recovered.

James Holt, who crossed the plains in 1852 with only two other families, had a placid and uneventful crossing except for one encounter with the Indians. Outnumbered, the pioneers planted a freckle-faced boy in bed, dusting his skin with flour to make him look pale. They told the Indians that he had smallpox, and the Indians “took one look at the boy and struck for the plain for dear life.” 10 MORE HUMOR.....

Early in life, President Spencer W. Kimball learned the necessity of work. He had many painful experiences in his early years preparatory to his great ministry............. Shortly after marriage he contracted smallpox, and Sister Kimball counted over 100 pustules on his face.SOME MAY THING TO THEMSELVES... I WONDER IF HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN VACCINATED.....MAYBE HE JUST WAS NOT OPEN MINDED AT THAT TIME OF HIS LIFE, OR NOT SO IN TUNE WITH THE SPIRIT, AND NOT LISTENING TO THE AUTHORITIES.....OK, I HOPE I HAVE MADE MY POINT THIS WAY SINCE THE DIRECT METHOD DOES NOT WORK HERE ...FROM STATEMENT ABOVE "GOOD FOR YOU FOR AGREEING WITH ME( BECAUSE WE ARE THE ONES FOLLOWING THE SPIRIT(IMPLICATION))", AND OH, DO NOT GIVE CREDIT TO OTHERS ON THIS FORUM (THEY ARE NOT SHARP ENOUGH TO.......GET IT) AND THEY HAVE BEEN DUPED....

Kendall, Kendall, Kendall...you know not what you say. You know not what you do. Your post evidences merely a blind following of Big Pharma's wishes -- and actual knowledge of what vaccinations do that could fit in a thimbal. You may think that you have dodged the bullet with your kids because they may seem fine now. But many of the detrimental effects on the body and the immune system are long term (i.e. cancer as just one of many examples, infertility as another, auto-immune disorders such as Multiple Sclerosis as another...and many, many more...there is a plague of allergies and other autoimmune disorders due to vaccinations, I assure you). I suggest before posting any more comments, that you carefully study the documentation found in the search referenced above. It is not too late to at least refrain from any more vaccines to your kids and future grandkids. You have a very slight chance of crashing if you drive your car -- a necessary risk. But your car won't potentially give your kids all those things.

All right, Danielle. I'll address you specifically now. I'm going to ask you a very hard question. I suggest you think long and hard before giving an answer. Forukoo (I'm a bit of a non-conformist betimes and I prefer that spelling -- makes more phonetical sense)...Forukoo gave the wrong answer and has check-mated himself on the issue...and now, unless he repents he will need to make an accounting before the bar of God one day, as to why he knowingly (with full disclosure and irrefutable documentation thereto having been given him) supported the use of a toxic witches brew of injections, complete with dead, murdered baby parts...because an evil industry headed by conspiring men told him he needed it to save himself and his family. Dr Staker will need to make an accounting as well, unless he sincerely repents. He has been derelict in his duty. DrJTaylor's testimony stands as a witness against him. I certainly would hate to have to be in his shoes when he has to explain before his maker why he did nothing, when he was in a position to do so. Irrepairably injured missionaries will be standing as witness at that bar, as well. And so I am asking you Danielle, do you still wish to support Forukoo's position...and do you also (as he has claimed) have a clear conscience? Because the issue of aborted fetal tissue in vaccines has now also been disclosed to you, with irrefutable documentation given. See above referenced searches of information.

...as for you Forukoo, as long as you continue to tow the evil, Big Pharma line here, I will continue to post the crux of the matter...

(re-inserted, from above)...Another thing about you that I find to be sad, forukoo. You know that many of todays vaccines contain aborted fetal tissue...because you have been told so and have been given irrefutable documentation of that fact. Yet even with that knowledge now, you still claim to have a clear conscience while advocating that they be injected into us and our children, because Big Pharma says they will save us. I find that to be very telling, indeed.

Forukoo, not only are you doing an extremely lousy job of standing up for vaccinations. You are also doing an extremely lousy job of standing up for the Brethren on the issue, so now I feel the need to step in and defend the Brethren from your insinuations. The issue of aborted fetal tissue in vaccines has surely not been disclosed to the Brethren by the medical “experts” setting vaccine policy for the Church. The issue of aborted fetal tissue in vaccines, however has now been fully disclosed to you. You have attempted to dig a pit for others, and now you have fallen in it.

Opr, perhaps you need to also direct that question of The Prophet, The First Presidency and The 12. You can't lay the blame at Dr. Staker feet, as it is The First Presidency and The 12 that lead the Church under the direction of the Lord. So I invite you to ask them if they have clear consciences, because again THEY under the direction of the Lord lead the Church, set the direction and approve the policy and statements (I assume after study and prayer) so it is they that will stand at the judgement bar when it comes to any matters regarding these things. You simply can't hide behind they don't know yet because they are ‘still blinded’ and can’t see the ‘truth’ so the good Dr. Staker will take all the blame. So please ask them that same question that you have that makes you feel so clever because you ‘check-mated’ me, and if they reply that they have clear consciences what will you then do?

Opr here let me save you the time, I will do it for you………….Forukoo, as long as you continue to repeat your diatribes, I will repeat the crux of the matter. .....not only are you doing an extremely lousy job of standing up for vaccinations. You are also doing an extremely lousy job of standing up for the Brethren on the issue, so now I feel the need to step in and defend the Brethren from your insinuations. The issue of aborted fetal tissue in vaccines has surely not been disclosed to the Brethren by the medical “experts” setting vaccine policy for the Church. The issue of aborted fetal tissue in vaccines, however has now been fully disclosed to you. You have attempted to dig a pit for others, and now you have fallen in it. ….. You’re a funny person, you crazy little non-conformist you….

Here is the link to that great and humorous story about the power of the Melchizedek Priesthood, http://lds.org/friend/2011/06/healing-among-the-zunis?lang=eng which is a good thing as this was 1878 and while the smallpox vaccine was around at that time, I doubt there would have been easy access to it for the saints. As the links for the stories shared were not provided, I will do it for each of the story/stories, the Indian one was funny, loved it http://lds.org/friend/2008/04/a-necklace-for-mama?lang=eng based on a true story, but very good.... finally found the article on President Benson's family from when he was a very young man http://lds.org/liahona/1987/08/a-boy-from-whitney?lang=eng his is a great story and I would guess took place sometime between 1910 and 1920. Though it does not mention if the family had been vaccinated or not, if they refused vaccination or that they wished they had been vaccinated, but why would it? That was not the purpose or intent of the story being shared. But given the time of the story happening it is more than possible that they had not been vaccinated as I would be surprised if Whitney Idaho had smallpox vaccine sitting around at the time waiting for when an epidemic. One last thing; There was no Statement to the Church from the First Presidency about vaccination at that time, it came out early in 1978. Now while President Benson was a great man and grew to be a Prophet of God, I don’t believe that as a young man between the age of 10 to 20, he would have been aware of that Statement from the future, so a little hard to follow that counsel, don’t you think? I always enjoyed that talk about President Kimball http://lds.org/liahona/1998/05/the-blessings-of-adversity?lang=eng again the point of the talk was not vaccination but the adversity that President Kimball went through in his life. Had he been vaccinated we don’t know for sure, he may have been and because of that vaccination he lived rather than die. But assumption that he did or didn’t get vaccinated is simply that! What is interesting is President Kimball was the Prophet and President from whom the Statement came which said in part, “Reports that increasing numbers of children are not being immunized against preventable childhood diseases deeply concern us…We urge members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints to protect their own children through immunization. Then they may wish to join other public-spirited citizens in efforts to eradicate ignorance and apathy that have caused the disturbingly low levels of childhood immunization.” ….. doctorjtaylor while you got most upset thinking I had ‘put words in your mount’ when it was really a missing word at the beginning of the sentence and for which I apologized for that mistake that caused you offence, it does not appear to stop you from willingly putting words into my mouth. My words were ‘Good for you Danielle, that is all any of us should do’ in response to her praying and following the Brethren, NOT what you stated I said ‘good for you for agreeing with me’, nor was there any implication that ‘we are the ones following the spirit’ I said ‘Continue to listen to the Brethren and follow the Spirit, that way you will never be able to go wrong’ Is this not good advice for us to follow? So please before you spill your bile toward me at least have the decency to state what I say correctly. Oh and my digs are pretty obvious as when I make them as I don’t attempt to hide them, can’t remember an personal attacks from me, though I have had several slung toward me, including yours, but I am a big boy and can handle that and tend not to take them personal.

...Irrepairably injured missionaries... ...and a very great many families of Saints -- lives shattered via vaccine-induced-brain-damage to one or more of their precious little ones, in part, at least because of policy-driven-perceptions on the issue. No, I would not want to be in Dr Staker's shoes unless he sincerely repents.

Nor the Prophets, the First Presidency and the 12 shoes for that matter, as the Church is meant to be directed by the Lord through the Prophet along with the others in counsel and prayer. Again put your question to them, it would make my Mother for one a very happy woman(as she agrees with you on this subject) if you could guide these Brethren to the truth, so their eyes will finally be opened and they can rescind the Statement that was made and reverse the policy in place.

Forukoo, as long as you continue to repeat your diatribes, I will repeat the crux of the matter. .....not only are you doing an extremely lousy job of standing up for vaccinations. You are also doing an extremely lousy job of standing up for the Brethren on the issue, so now I feel the need to step in and defend the Brethren from your insinuations. The issue of aborted fetal tissue in vaccines has surely not been disclosed to the Brethren by the medical “experts” setting vaccine policy for the Church. The issue of aborted fetal tissue in vaccines, however has now been fully disclosed to you. You have attempted to dig a pit for others, and now you have fallen in it.

It was not I that checkmated you...your own words condemn you.

Forukoo, I really do wish you well...and am optimistic for what the Atonement of Jesus Christ could do for you...if you ever decide to sincerely repent.

HERE IS AN EXCERPT FROM AN ADDRESS PRESIDENT BENSON GAVE IN 1987 AT A BYU DEVOTIONAL(ONCE AGAIN FROM THE OFFICIAL WEBSITE OF THE CHURCH"..." recently the Secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services in the United States warned that if a cure for AIDS is not quickly found, it could become a worldwide epidemic that “will dwarf such earlier medical disasters as the Black Plague, smallpox and typhoid” (Salt Lake Tribune, 30 Jan. 1987, p. A-1).....AND HERE ARE SOME CURRENT STATISTICS.....AIDS = OVER 1 MILLION.....DIABETES = 25.8 MILLION.....(ONE EXAMPLE OF THE THREE MENTIONED) BLACK DEATH OR BLACK PLAGUE = 75 MILLION DEATHS....NOW I AM CONFUSED, WAS THIS FROM THE PROPHET OR THE SECRETARY OF THE DPHHS (IF NOT, WHY WOULD HE QUALIFY IT BY DEFERRING TO THE SEC.OF DPHHS?), OR WAS IT FROM THE LORD BECAUSE...........THIS IS EXACTLY WHY I WENT DIRECTLY TO THE FIRST PRESIDENCY WITH THIS ISSUE (PRAYER LED ME TO THIS DECISION AFTER MUCH STUDY AND WRESTLING WITH THE ISSUE, JUST IN CASE YOU ARE WONDERING) WHO, AS I HAVE SAID BEFORE, DIRECTED ME TO DR. STAKER (I WONDER IF THEY PRAYED OVER THIS) FOR ANSWERS (DID THEY HAVE A REASON FOR SENDING ME TO DR STAKER?, HMMM, I WONDER). THIS FACT CAN BE PASSED OVER, DISMISSED, OR DIMINISHED HOWEVER ANYONE WANTS TO EXPLAIN IT AWAY, BUT IT IS A COLD, HARD FACT. THERE IS NO OFFICIAL STANCE ON VACCINATION (OUTSIDE THE MISSIONARY PROGRAM). ASIDE FROM THE DIRECT QUOTES, ARTICLES, AND EXCERPTS I HAVE LISTED AS HAVE OTHERS (FROM BOTH SIDES OF THE DISCUSSION) THESE ARE CONCLUSIONS I HAVE ARRIVED AT THROUGH MUCH FASTING AND PRAYER. I AM NOT POINTING FINGERS AT ANYONE FOR VACCINATING OR NOT VACCINATING, AND I HAVE NEVER CRITICIZED ANYONE FOR DOING WHAT IS RIGHT, NOR WILL I EVER DO THIS. I AGREE WITH EVERYONE HERE THAT SUPPORTS PERSONAL REVELATION AND DOING WHAT IS RIGHT FOR OUR FAMILIES WITHOUT CRITICISM, AND I DO NOT THINK THAT IS THE ISSUE HERE. ONE CAMP IS SAYING THAT THE PROGRAM IS NOT "SAFE" AND CAN CAUSE GREAT DEVASTATION, AND THE OTHER CAMP IS SAYING IT IS PERFECTLY SAFE AND PREVENTS IT. I AM BETTING THAT MOST OF THOSE IN THE NON VACCINATION OR MUCH MORE CAREFULLY VACCINATING SIDE WERE ONCE ON THE "ABSOLUTELY THE BEST WAY TO PROTECT OUR CHILDREN SIDE, AND THIS HAS NOT BEEN ADDRESSED YET EXCEPT TO BE CALLED 'NOT FOLLOWING THE PROPHET, DUPED, OR NOT OPEN MINDED

I very much appreciate your contributions here, DrJTaylor. Thank you again for all you are doing and have done...and for having the courage to bear witness about what you know.

The God I know would not condone the killing of babies and the diabolical use of their tissues. I bear my witness of that.

...and as to my full identity...at this time that mattereth not. God knows who I am. I have been around for a while, and I have seen some things. If I am called to stand as a witness before either an earthly or heavenly tribunal, I will happily and willingly do so with full disclosure then.

http://www.alternative-doctor.com/vaccination/obomsawin.html

Don't use all caps. It implies yelling or screaming. I"m done. With opr telling me I have to repent. It's ridiculous. You have no stewardship over me, and I know what has been revealed to me. Just because you disagree with me doesn't make you right and me wrong and I need to repent. Get off your high horse. I'm pro-vaccine and will no longer be commenting where I'm going to be attacked and yelled at.

In appreciation for all people here trying to help those who aren't aware of the danger of vaccines, I'd like to thank you as I would like to thank those who are willing to listen, too.......I wanted to name you each who have been helpful but you know who you are.......Have no doubt that many are watching & continue to present what you have to bring to this table so those willing to learn, can.......I know they are watching because I have many contacts & have asked them to come & ask their friends & family who need to hear the facts to watch this important & historical conversation take place...I used to be a political activist but now God has me working strictly in this matter for children's sake & health...Those years as a political activist I learned was just a practice run as God had other plans...I was taught the cards are stacked in the political arena, mainly due to the trick of labels we allow to divide us like left, right, center, dem, rep or whatever...Just as the differing religions, many times, can do, when we are really all one people under the same good God...I learned my political experience as an activist was just training for this mission & now that huge network created years ago is going to be put to good use...Because it's going to take the left right & center, including people of all beliefs to save our children & posterity...If we don't save them first, soon, nothing else will matter...They need saved from the beast that has been ruling as my own brainwashed Christian family has allowed for far too long...They sat idly by & waited for Jesus & did nothing, most all of them, my friends & family from that church of mine...The first clue I had as a child of how wrong they could be was the way they said our belief was the only correct one...I do know if Jesus was here he would not wait for another...He would move Heaven, Earth & Hell to save children from perpetual war to sustain the greed of men & from the atrocity of vaccines, too...Did he not say we shall do greater things than he?...Yes he did...Yes, I have thousands upon tens of thousands I can reach in my many spiritual & political groups, including LDS friends, too, I assure you...I am only one person & have yet to sound the alarm in many of these groups & if I should not live to open these floodgates all the way...Someone else will...Many have been invited here by me from only my Face Book friends so they are watching...My contacts are extreme on Face Book & I have hundreds of groups I work in...I am Marsha McClelland with the crying eagle for a picture & my wall is public where I recruit activists...This is not a debate site I invite you to but a page to keep people updated on matters that are important to so many...Not my account with my middle initial "L" as I don't use that account much...Believers & non-believers in God & vaccines are among my many friends & contacts...Just because they are silent, doesn't mean they're not here.......Many people don't feel comfortable commenting but they do sit back & take it all in...I would like to continue where I left off for those who want to hear the truth & I will in my next post when I can get to it...I have many tasks & am very busy doing the Lord's work on many fronts.......When I do get back here I'll bring information to add to all I already posted in clearing the good name of Dr. Andrew Wakefield as well as other pertinent & associated matters I began...Oh & thanks to you who came here & added to truth about Dr. Wakefield...I did learn from you more details to add to my arsenal...Love Grandma Marsha

As I said I would like to continue where I left off for those who want to hear the truth & I will in my next post but first I'd like to suggest something...Since we know the views of those in denial to the facts we are presenting, which are many facts based in proven evidence & sealed in concrete...And since truth has blown the lid off the deception behind the fraud of vaccines for anyone who has been paying sincere attention, it would be best if we refrain from replying to these people & stop the arguing for the sake of those, actually, looking for truth to the matter.......This thread is getting clogged with the same useless back & forth we find shills for the makers of vaccines & bad drugs are famous for...This same tactic is put in place to sow discord & a tool used to distract by those who wish to dupe us & they have many unsuspecting helpers who don't realize they've been fooled who do their work, unwittingly, for them...I'm not saying these people defending vaccines here are agents for those with vested interests but since they are closed minded & the same distraction is occurring, please do not direct your energies towards them because it chases others off...This conversation has been forwarded to interested parties & they are many who are learning, too...We are several here to plead to church authority to help us save our children...Please post only educational matter & do not argue...We are not here for those who won't listen...Ignore those who want to argue.......They say we are being one sided in this conversation when in actuality, this bogus article of deception is the status quo of the one sidedness of this matter we have been up against for far too long.......If there truly was nothing to hide there would not be media blackout ordered by the secretary of the HHS, Kathleen Sebelius...Look it up...Google her name & "Reader's Digest" where this information first came out & quoted her in an interview...Fair debate has always been thwarted by intimidation when we find doctors willing to debate the anti pro vaccine side...If you don't believe me, ask me later & I will do a search to provide articles to this fact...I am speaking to those who are looking for truth & not the known people, here, who will not look at the evidence as is obvious & I pointed out with proof in one of my earlier posts.......Again, please do not play into the hands of deception by arguing with those who have no eyes to see or ears to hear...

Yes I am done here as well, there is no discussion unless you agree with them. Drj the quote you mentioned was Elder Monson speaking, quoting 'the Secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services' I didn’t think it was that confusing. It was a talk he was giving, not a Statement to the Entire Church as Prophet, which btw he was not President of the Church at the time of the talk you quoted. There is a difference between the two things. Oh and I realise your American so only think globally as an American so therefore think only USA, but as the quote spoke of ‘Worldwide’, perhaps you should do so as well when giving your stats, up to 2009 for HIV/AIDS is 33.3 million. Also please don’t bring diabetes into it when it was not part of the quote you offered we all know that in the USA diabetes is high I guess that is why you mentioned it. Several days ago you provided reasonable discussion but said you were much too busy to continue here, yet of late you post a lot and have increased your time here and rather than reasonable discussion you offer vitriolic comments toward anyone with the gall to question your view. Opr writing so it sounds like your writing scripture does not make you closer to God, make you look exactly as you are, and your comments about being a willing witness at a heavenly tribunal do also. Too many of you are self-righteous and arrogant to actually discuss anything. Read what the First Presidency have said in a Statement to the entire Church! If you don’t thing that they have the ‘facts’ make sure you provide them, then you can ask your clever little question to them. Please go do so because you and drj seem to both be wasting almost all your time here. Something I need no longer to do as the little time I have spent here can be more wisely used in other places.

mofmars333 Sorry I forgot you, how could I have, your comments show you as you are as well. You’re on a 'mission from God' nice. Reading your comments reminded me of something then I realised what if in a lot of what you write you simply swap vaccination with ‘Mormon’ and you could be reading a call to arms for the Anti-Mormon groups. Again you could do your best good if you’re really correct by going to the Prophet so his eyes can be opened, he can lead the Church back on right non vaccination path. Right now your all hot air unwilling to allow anyone else have a view because if it is not yours they are told they are need to read the proof and then they would believe your ‘facts’, and if they don’t they are condemning their children and grandchildren, and I loved this one ‘I am speaking to those who are looking for truth & not the known people, here, who will not look at the evidence as is obvious & I pointed out with proof in one of my earlier posts.......Again, please do not play into the hands of deception by arguing with those who have no eyes to see or ears to hear’ I love having you as my judge because you must know me so well, though I have read much on the subject have a Mother that agrees with your side yet you still have the gall to say ‘I will not look at the evidence’ well in your eyes I can’t have because I would be standing with you if I had right? You’re so very self-important self-righteous and arrogant, yes very much like all Zealots and Anti-Mormons, unwilling to allow any view or discussion other than your own. Enjoy your little love feast you have going here.

Danielle, you failed to answer the very direct and simple question about whether or not you have a clear conscience in light of the knowledge that you now have about the link between aborted fetal tissue and vaccines. Should that be a surprise to anyone? I think not.

DrJTaylor, thank you for using all caps from time to time. Raising your voice a little for emphasis upon occasion is alright in my book. I think Abinadi might have done so in trying to get through to King Noah...and King Noah and his wicked priests thought that Abinadi was being condescending, when all he was doing was telling them the truth and standing up for right.

I'm just a very ordinary person...a mere child of God, among many striving to do what is right while on this earthly sphere.

Forukoo, you've mentioned a time or two that you were done here. I'll believe it when I see it.

...and of course, Forukoo, as long as you continue to repeat your diatribes, I will repeat the crux of the matter. Not only are you doing an extremely lousy job of standing up for vaccinations. You are also doing an extremely lousy job of standing up for the Brethren on the issue, so now I feel the need to step in and defend the Brethren from your insinuations. The issue of aborted fetal tissue in vaccines has surely not been disclosed to the Brethren by the medical “experts” setting vaccine policy for the Church. The issue of aborted fetal tissue in vaccines, however has now been fully disclosed to you. You have attempted to dig a pit for others, and now you have fallen in it.

...and Forukoo...one does not need to be particulary close to God, to know that God would never condone the killing of babies and the diabolical use of their tissues.

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Are we having fun yet? Do you feel all worn-out and beaten down? Well it's no wonder, when you have taken the position of defending killing babies and using their tissue for diabolical purposes. You can't win -- not in a moral battle.

I'm sorry fooruku but I can no longer take time to read your denials & opr, if only you would not encourage him, it would free this list up to get down to business...You have provided great insight, opr, but please, I beg you to stop beating this dead horse...Those who won't listen aren't going to have their minds changed...We are not here for them, we are here for those who have not shut their minds to what's right in front of their face...

On Aug 12 at 12:00 PM, I first posted this link from CBS Investigates in this thread>>> http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20049118-10391695.htm.......Anyone not seeing the pertinent information pointed out in my comment, please refer back as this includes important detail which exposes eye opening revelations...In your review I ask you, as I have asked people here before, to see at least my two last comments there, as well as following up with all links presented, including & especially the "Open Letter To Media & Elected Officials...........To go on...This same brave & noble reporter who cannot be bought off, as usually is status quo in media, Sharyl Attkisson, again, shows the world the truth in another of her honest & unbiased reports>>>"Follow The Money">>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1Hw-Q23S_s&feature=player_embedded#!.......Please look her up to see the in depth reporting she has done to help save our children from further harm & death by vaccination...After those who wish to know more of the crux to this matter have had time to review Sharyl's report, here, & familiarize themselves with Paul Offit, I will go on...First, I will add & this is the truth, Paul Offit is a liar & I will show you how true that is to the point not one can deny when I get back here...There are very few players at the top, who make themselves visible via media in this crime against humanity to push toxic vaccines on an unsuspecting public & everyone paying attention knows who they are by now...Offit, the pro vaccine Pr/offit as he's called, Brian Deer the lying reporter, The corrupt BMJ & last but not least Rupert Murdoch & his evil spawn, James as you will learn, if you don't know already & it's all in the Open letter To Media & Elected Officials at that CBS link...Back soon with details on the liar Paul Pr/offit...

Mofmars, I appreciate what you are doing and thank you very much for your efforts. You continue on as you see fit, and I will do the same. It is not a dead horse it is dead babies, and it is the crux of the matter -- one of the keys in turning this whole thing around with good people everywhere both in the Church and out. The light of Christ does not have to shine very bright in someone for them to know that killing babies and using their tissues for diabolical purposes is wrong. I will not allow the crux of turning this thing around to be buried in reams of dialogue or data...so you carry on as you see fit, and I will do the same, my fellow infowarrior, Mofmars.

There is more than enough information and links to documentation on this thread already for the sincere truthseeker on the matter to easily discover the truth about vaccines. It would be my preference that the thread not become any more lengthy than it already has become. However, if additional posts continue to pile up here, I reserve the right to post as I feel the need.

MofMars, from some of your comments I have gotten the impression that you may not be of the LDS faith (you may correct me if I'm wrong) and I embrace you as a fellow Christian and am very, very appreciative of your many good and righteous works. Nevertheless, I have been a member of the Church (LDS) in good standing for a long, long time with much experience and observation, and I have a feel for what will work best here. I feel very strongly about what I know will work best here...and I will continue to focus like a lazer, on that approach.

I'm not LDS, opr...And I didn't know you were, which is wonderful to know & in my book means your view carries more weight than mine with your brothers & sisters...Not that we're all not brothers & sisters in that book of mine...You are well informed but I still think it's useless to fuel fooruku by addressing him at this late point in this debate...We have already won hands over fist as all who are looking in with open minds have seen.......I think you would reach more people by ignoring him as much as possible from here on out...As much as possible being key words as I know that's not always easy...Been there, done that, too many times.......But this arguing the same thing back & forth really does run others off...It's up to you...I would ignore him but I can't tell you what to do, opr...No hard feelings my dear....I just hate to see these deniers get so much attention when they don't deserve it because it's obvious they have not done the proper research...I have shown where fooruku is guilty of this because I did point it out earlier in this thread...I don't have time to find it, now, but it's true...As I said opr, it's up to you but it is sincerely distracting to watch...And fooruku...Please do not reply to me...I really haven't had the time to read your mis-informed rants of late, as I used to do, as it's a get no where road & I don't plan to as I have bigger fish to fry & children to save...

This is really informative for those who need vaccine exemptions...Religious or otherwise...Lots of information including a chart that lists all the vaccines that use cells from aborted babies>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEiFMX4O8mY&feature=share

Back to Sharyl from CBS Investigates...Sharyl's an investigative journalist & she says, "I present facts others don't want you to have. What you do w/them is your business. Discriminating followers only need apply.".......The same video clip I posted a few posts back is at this link but there's much more to it...Especially in the informative comment section for those who want to learn more>>> http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/07/25/cbsnews_investigates/main4296175.shtml

In the following from Dr. Mercola at http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/05/22/cdc-autism-researcher-indicted-for-fraud.aspx, writes about Poul Thorsen & the attack Paul Offit pulled on Sharyl Attkisson which backfired on him...Dr. Mercola wriets about>>>"Two Dangerous "Experts" You Should Never EVER Believe..."

For those who won't go to that link, in hope they may read this>>> American prosecutors are attempting to extradite a Danish scientist. Poul Thorsen has been charged with 13 counts of wire fraud and nine counts of money laundering; a federal grand jury alleges that Thorsen stole over $1 million from autism research funding between February 2004 and June 2008. Thorsen is said to have used the proceeds to buy a home in Atlanta, two cars and a Harley Davidson. He is said to have stolen the money while serving as the 'principal investigator' for a program that studied the relationship between autism and exposure to vaccines. The Copenhagen Post reports: "... [O]ver the four-year period he submitted over a dozen false invoices from the CDC for research expenses to Aarhus University, where he held a faculty position, instructing them to transfer the funds to a CDC account, which was in fact his personal account ... Thorsen's research on autism is widely known in academic circles, where he was until this week a highly respected figure. A paper of his on the subject, which is known as 'The Danish Study', is quoted extensively to refute the autism vaccine connection." Another prominent name in vaccine medicine, Dr. Paul Offit, well-known shill for the vaccine industry, has also been called out for making false and unsubstantiated statements about CBS News Investigative Correspondent Sharyl Attkisson and her report looking into the ties between vaccine supporters and the vaccine industry. On April 18, 2011, the California Orange County Register issued a retraction of an August 4, 2008 article containing disparaging statements made by Dr. Offit about Attkisson. According to Adventures in Autism: "Upon further review, it appears that a number of Dr. Offit's statements, as quoted in the OC Register article, were unsubstantiated and/or false. Attkisson had previously reported on the vaccine industry ties of Dr. Offit and others in a CBS Evening News report 'How Independent Are Vaccine Defenders?'" The unsubstantiated statements included a claim that Attkisson "lied", and a claim that CBS News sent a "mean spirited and vituperative" email. Offit also told the OC Register that he provided CBS News "the details of his relationship ... with pharmaceutical company Merck", but documents provided by CBS News indicate Offit did not disclose all of his financial relationships with Merck. Sources: Atlanta Journal Constitution April 14, 2011 WKAR Atlanta April 13, 2011 The Copenhagen Post April 15, 2011

Dr. Mercola's comments>>> When two of the biggest names in vaccine research and support turn out to be guilty of fraud, major deception, lying and making unsubstantiated statements, it really calls into question the validity of their work on the vaccine front … and that's putting it mildly. Yet, this news has only been quietly shared by a handful of media outlets. Countless American parents are putting their trust, and their child's lives, in the hands of the U.S. Centers of Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) every time they vaccinate their children. Yet two of the CDC's "go-to guys" have now been caught red-handed lying and, in the case of Dr. Poul Thorsen, committing outright fraud. This includes: •Dr. Poul Thorsen, who was involved in several key studies the CDC uses to support their claims that MMR and mercury-containing vaccines, among others, are safe. •Dr. Paul Offit, a very well-known and frequent proponent of mandatory vaccination, whose views are promoted by the AAP and who previously served as a member of The Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP). ACIP is a 15-member panel of immunization experts, selected by the Secretary of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. They provide advice and guidelines to the CDC on vaccine-preventable diseases.

More of Dr. Mercola's outstanding article>>> CDC Vaccine Researcher Charged with Wire Fraud, Money Laundering and Stealing Grant Money Dr. Poul Thorsen is most widely known for a 2003 study known as the "Danish Study," which reported there was a 20-fold increase in autism in Denmark after mercury-based preservatives like thimerosal were banned from vaccines. The research team therefore concluded that mercury-containing vaccines were safe. But the study was actually a masterfully done example of lying by omission, because at the same time the apparent autism increase took place a new law had been put into place in Denmark that required autism cases to be reported on the national level. There was also a new clinic dedicated to autism treatment opened. These two factors were likely the driving forces behind the sudden increase in reported autism cases, but the researchers failed to disclose them. Despite the obvious ramifications of these omitted "details," the CDC has relied on the Danish Study to "prove" their case that MMR vaccine and mercury are safe for your kids. Adding fodder to the fire, an investigation by Aarhus University (where Thorsen held a faculty position) and the CDC uncovered that Thorsen had not only falsified documents but was also receiving salaries from two universities (which is a violation of the universities' rules). Then in 2009 Thorsen disappeared amidst serious fraud charges and with nearly $2 million that was supposedly used for research. Now a federal grand jury in Atlanta has indicted Thorsen and charged him with 13 counts of wire fraud, 9 counts of money laundering and stealing more than $1 million in grant money from the CDC over a four-year period. It turns out that Thorsen was reportedly submitting fraudulent invoices with fabricated expenses to the CDC, and using the money to purchase cars, a motorcycle, a home and cashier's checks. The Copenhagen Post reported: "Thorsen helped two Danish government agencies obtain research grants, which amounted to $11 million between 2000 and 2009, whilst he was working as a visiting scientist at the Atlanta-based Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) in the 1990s. He returned to Denmark as the 'principal investigator' for the programme, which studied the relationship between autism and exposure to vaccines, allegedly putting him in charge of the administration of the funding. It is alleged that over the four-year period he submitted over a dozen false invoices from the CDC for research expenses to Aarhus University, where he held a faculty position, instructing them to transfer the funds to a CDC account, which was in fact his personal account. Thorsen's research on autism is widely known in academic circles, where he was until this week a highly respected figure."

Still more>>> CDC Gives Nearly $15 Million to Thorsen's Research Center Thorsen's research center, the North Atlantic Epidemiology Alliances (NANEA), has received $14.6 million from the CDC since 2002, according to the Huffington Post. Many of the resulting "research" studies from NANEA have been used to support supposed vaccine safety. As the Huffington Post stated: "Questions about Thorsens's scientific integrity may finally force CDC to rethink the vaccine protocols since most of the other key pro vaccine studies cited by CDC rely on the findings of Thorsen's research group. These include oft referenced research articles published by the Journal of the American Medical Association, the American Journal of Preventive Medicine, the American Academy of Pediatrics, the New England Journal of Medicine and others. The validity of all these studies is now in question." However, this measure of common sense seems lost on the CDC, who stated in regard to Thorsen's research: "Dr. Thorsen was one of many co-authors on these research projects. All of these were subject to extensive peer review and we have no reason to suspect that there are any issues related to the integrity of the science."

I know this is a repeat but I'm just following the article...Anyway this is the part, on Sharyl's behalf & against Offit, I wanted to point out>>>>>>> Paul Offit also Called Out for Lying Dr. Paul Offit is another pro-vaccine big-wig, the same man who has notoriously stated that infants can tolerate 10,000 vaccines at once. In 2008, veteran CBS journalist Sharyl Attkisson wrote an article detailing Offit's many ties to the vaccine industry, and noting that Offit failed to inform CBS about exactly how much money he and his employer, Children's Hospital of Philadelphia, are paid by Merck, the manufacturer and marketer of numerous vaccines, including Gardasil, hepatitis B, chicken pox, shingles, MMR, and the rotavirus vaccine that Dr. Offit helped invent. In response, Offit gave Attkisson's article a scathing review and his rebuttal was posted in the Orange County (OC) Register shortly after Attkisson's report ran in the CBS Evening News. Now the OC Register has issued a retraction of Offit's rebuttal, stating: "An OC Register article dated Aug. 4, 2008 entitled "Dr. Paul Offit Responds" contained several disparaging statements that Dr. Offit of Children's Hospital of Philadelphia made about CBS News Investigative Correspondent Sharyl Attkisson and her report. Upon further review, it appears that a number of Dr. Offit's statements, as quoted in the OC Register article, were unsubstantiated and/or false … Unsubstantiated statements include: Offit's claim that Attkisson "lied"; and Offit's claim that CBS News sent a "mean spirited and vituperative" email "over the signature of Sharyl Attkisson" stating "You're clearly hiding something." In fact, the OC Register has no evidence to support those claims. Further, Offit told the OC Register that he provided CBS News "the details of his relationship, and Children's Hospital of Philadelphia's relationship, with pharmaceutical company Merck." However, documents provided by CBS News indicate Offit did not disclose his financial relationships with Merck, including a $1.5 million Hilleman chair he sits in that is co-sponsored by Merck."

Almost done...Not really...Just kidding...^smile^...No one has to read anything they choose not to but for those who will, this is important>>> A Pattern of False Accusations Offit seems to have a pattern of falsely accusing people of lying. Barbara Loe Fisher, co-founder and president of the National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC), sued Offit in 2009 for defamation and also named reporter Amy Wallace and Conde Nast after Offit said "She lies" in an article published by Wired magazine without providing any evidence supporting his baseless accusation. Fisher asked the Fourth Circuit federal court in Virginia for a jury trial and $1 million in damages but Judge Claude Hilton dismissed the lawsuit primarily on the grounds that both Fisher and Offit are public figures and that, in his opinion, Offit said "she lies" in the heat of spirited public debate. In Hilton's opinion, Offit's accusation was protected under the First Amendment right to free speech. Attorney Jonathan Emord filed an excellent brief opposing the motion to dismiss that argued there is good evidence that Offit knew exactly what he was doing when he falsely accused Fisher of lying and that libel per se is not protected by the First Amendment. Fisher stated: "I was not able to get my day in court in front of a jury of my peers to defend myself against Offit's false accusations. But I am very glad a respected veteran journalist, who Offit tried to defame, has had the public record set straight. It is never too late to ask for justice or get the record corrected when bullies like Offit engage in a smear campaign against people who disagree with him. It is ironic that in my libel case, the judge said Offit has a right to defame public figures in the spirit of free speech when Offit's real goal is to censor free speech about vaccine risks by demonizing anyone who criticizes vaccine safety."

Offit Named "Vaccine Denialist of the Decade" Case in point, Offit's new book "Deadly Choices: How the Anti-Vaccine Movement Threatens Us All" attempts to discredit some of the highest profile names that dared to question vaccine safety, including Jim Carrey, Jenny McCarthy, and Barbara Loe Fisher. As the Age of Autism reported, the book: " … Deride[s] those who have any concerns whatsoever about the safety of the current vaccine schedule. There is plenty of sympathy for parents of children who have died of infectious diseases, but perfunctory dismissal in cases where parents blame vaccines." Their intriguing article from December 2010 names Offit as the "Denialist of the Decade" and points out numerous questionable omissions and other curiosities from Offit's book, such as not mentioning the fact that the U.S. government concluded childhood vaccines contributed to symptoms of autism in 9-year-old Hannah Poling. According to Age of Autism: "Anyone concerned about any of these things fits Offit's definition of anti-vaccine, because vaccines don't cause any of them, because Paul Offit says so ... Yet Offit himself yields an amazing amount of ground by describing unsafe vaccines -- including early polio shots and a rotavirus vaccine that was the immediate predecessor of his own. His technique is to situate all this as historical, part of the triumphant march of progress into the bright sunshine of vaccine safety." They make an interesting point in that Offit actually describes historical instances where vaccines were dangerous, yet fails to realize the connection that the same safety issues could be ongoing today. Offit wrote: "When Barbara Loe Fisher burst onto the scene, several vaccines had serious side effects, every year causing allergic reactions, paralysis, or death. Public health officials and doctors didn't hide these problems. But they didn't do anything to correct them, either. And most parents had no idea they existed." Despite this acknowledgement, he states that a study involving vaccinated and unvaccinated children to gauge which group is ultimately healthier would be "an entirely unethical experiment."

Just a couple more>>> Mainstream Media Message: Silence Vaccine Critics, Protect Proponents There also appears to be a pattern of censorship in the mainstream press, which has barely featured the news about Dr. Thorsen's fraud charges and has not carried stories exposing Dr. Ofitt's lies, yet has widely circulated criticism against Dr. Andrew Wakefield, who has investigated the connection between developmental disorders and bowel disease, and early exposure to vaccines. There are tens, if not hundreds of billions of dollars of profits involved in the vaccine industry, and as a consequence there's major pressure to suppress scientific evidence documenting vaccine risks, such as the findings Dr. Wakefield uncovered. Even Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius has tried to censor what the media reports in regard to vaccines. As Age of Autism reported, Sebelius stated: "There are groups out there that insist that vaccines are responsible for a variety of problems, despite all scientific evidence to the contrary. We (the office of Secretary of Health and Human Services) have reached out to media outlets to try to get them not to give the views of these people equal weight in their reporting." There is immense pressure to keep negative press -- like the fact Age of Autism reports that Dr. Offit earned at least $29 million, and perhaps as much as $55 million, as part of a $182-million sale by the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia of its worldwide royalty interest in the Merck Rotateq vaccine that Offit helped invent … or the fact that a key player in the autism research the CDC uses to support vaccine safety has been accused of criminal activity -- quiet. The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) -- to whom the vaccine industry gives millions for conferences, grants, medical education classes and even to help build their headquarters -- even sent a letter to CBS containing misinformation about NVIC in an attempt to strong arm the network into taking down our Times Square billboard message, which encourages everyone to make informed vaccine choices.

Almost done>>>Always Remember This When Seeking the Truth The truth is, questionable ethical practices have long been associated with the pharmaceutical (including vaccines) industry. Numerous times in the past 50 years they (and their paid shills) have been accused of falsifying drug study results, paying bribes, covering up or omitting side effects and deaths, and denying responsibility when drugs are pulled off the market or vaccines end up permanently injuring or killing people. This begs the question, with a track record like this, how can you believe anything they say? Unfortunately, it is often naïve to trust blindly, even when a prominent figure has earned the respect of his peers and comes complete with a laundry list of credentials (as was the case with Thorsen). Instead, if you want to stand even a chance of getting the truth, you also have to consider the hidden motivations behind their recommendations and research. •What do they believe in? •Where is their loyalty? •Where is their money coming from? •What does a company, or an individual, stand to gain financially from a government vaccine mandate? You've simply got to investigate the source of your information, especially when it comes to your, or your child's, health. And remember too that many pediatricians today listen to the advice of Paul Offit and research studies by Thorsen, so you've got to take that into account when seeking advice, too. Eventually, I do believe that truth will prevail. Remember the words of German philosopher Arthur Schopenhauer who, 200 years ago, said all truth goes through three stages: •First it is ridiculed •Then it is violently opposed •Finally it is widely accepted as self evident Gandhi also held a similar belief and famously said: "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." The good news is that many issues -- including the right to transparency in vaccine research and safety, and the right to vaccine choice -- are in the Violent Opposition / Fighting phase. As you can see, we know what comes next!

Sorry to bury you in reading but this is the most urgent matter ever...Please read the comments at Dr. Mercola's article where there's another gold mine of fact & evidence to learn from...Good Night & don't forget to pray for all the children.

in the 1800's the smallpox vaccine was crude to say the least - It was directly extracted from cowpox pustules or taken from a cow who had been vivisectioned, intentionally infected and diseased all over and then injected into humans. I wouldn't wish that vaccine on anyone. So, I would pray that no one, including the saints had that smallpox vaccine.

Thanks for this link, DrJTaylor...excellent information there: http://www.alternative-doctor.com/vaccination/obomsawin.html

Good point, TBS...they were dangerous then and they are dangerous now...but at least back then the vaccines did not yet contain aborted fetal tissue.

If all the above info is too much for some of you to wade through -- if you would prefer something concise that will convince you quickly and which you can then use as a tool to convince your family and friends, using the Google search engine, simply Google the phrase, Infowars: They Want To Inject My Kid With What?!!!

Great info, Mofmars. Thank you.

By the way, Mofmars...since you are not LDS (which takes not away from the fact that I consider you a friend in the cause) you really don't understand the significance of what happened back there between Forukoo and me...but I'll tell you, if he returns -- or others like him, they're going to get more of the same. I've fought battles like this before and I know how to win them.

I dodged a bullet by vaccinating my kids? hmmm. Apparently everyone else I know has dodged a bullet as well. I have no desire to return to a world where the mortality rate is absurdly high. I rather like the fact that my wife and all my children are still alive. Yes, there are always exceptions. If you feel like you want to live your life ruled by exceptions and fear or whatever, you should do that. I'm not going to do that. As I have read the evidence, it makes sense to do most of the vaccines.

WAKE FOREST UNIVERSITY RESEARCH REPLICATES WAKEFIELD’S MMR FINDINGS NEW EVIDENCE SUPPORTS LINK BETWEEN VACCINE MEASLES STRAIN AND AUTISM Nixa, MO – This week new research funded in part by NAA and its members will be presented in Montreal showing that the vaccine strain of the measles virus is present in the guts of autistic children. The new findings replicate the initial findings of Dr. Andrew Wakefield. Dr. Stephen Walker, of the Wake Forest University School of Medicine, studied children with regressive autism and bowel disease. "Of the handful of results we have in so far, all are vaccine strain," he said of the type of measles present in the intestines of 87% of the autistic children studied. The study’s conclusions are welcomed by many parents. “Gut anomalies are very real in our children,” says Ann Brasher of the National Autism Association. “We’re thankful that Dr. Walker has replicated Dr. Wakefield’s research and are hopeful these new findings will lead to more effective treatments, and broadened awareness.” Families and friends across the globe helped The National Autism Association and other organizations fund portions of the study. “Research like this is so desperately needed,” says Claire Bothwell of the National Autism Association. “The more we know about what’s happened to our children, the better equipped we are to help them.” Moms and dads LDS and non, they know these kids are suffering and they don't give a damn. If the truth outs it will cost them their precious vaccine program,may I remind them of why it was created. To stop suffering,not create it.

Kendall If their has been one of their top researchers indicted on 13 counts of wire fraud and 9 counts of money laundering that proved vaccines with mercury are safe. Doe's that give you a clue,BTW when they hired him, and gave him 11 million Dollars. They the CDC told him,that we are only interested in what will exonerate the CDC and vaccines. What about the truth? that's taking 1 in 110 children's lives and 1 in 68 boys....truth is not relevant! to the agency charged with vaccine safety,if that doe's not scare you nothing will.....

No one you know has been damaged from vaccines...hmmm...well, I see a plague of people all around me that have allergies or even more severe forms of autoimmune disorders...not to mention kids at church with autism, and even more with lesser forms of brain damage including behavioral abnormalities and learning disabilities, etc. These things are not found, but extremely rarely, among the unvaccinated. Besides vaccinations being very dangerous, the evidence is overwhelming that they haven't saved anyone from any disease...other factors did...and besides that, even if they did work (which they don't) and could save you (which they can't)...they are an evil, toxic witches brew containing dead, murdered babies parts. I'm not so afraid of death that I would be willing to sell my soul -- even if the promise from Big Pharma was true (which it is not) that they will save you. If you feel otherwise, you are free to do as you wish. (For those that would like documentation of all those facts, see the search for information, referenced above.)

This discussion has really spiraled downward since I last checked on it. It is unfortunate. I still worry about the most commonly repeated phrase in the discussion "you need to do your research" - which seems to imply "you need to look at these anti-vaccine websites." Research is much more than just showing how an assusmed associated is possible, it is using data without bias and emotion to prove a point. It is looking at thousands of people, gathering information about them, and seeing if there really is a link. If the people that are really against vaccines want to do something worthwile, gather a group of people that are not vaccinating their children, and do true research on the outcomes. This would involve registering people and following what happens with no loss of follow-up, no bias in case determination and so on. Please get some proof that will stand up to the scrutiny that all of the other data receives. Most of what I see on the websites you all mention is accusations about corrupt people, money, and some exagerated points about how the vaccines were developed, misleading statements about what is in them and so on. In the years that autism prevalence has increased, there have been many changes. Vaccination is only one of many changes - for example, they have identified HUNDREDS of chemicals in umbilical blood from babies that are all banned by the EPA. There are so many possible causes of the increase in autism, and the cause is probably different for most people with it - there are likely many triggers. But one fact you cannot deny, as the number of vaccine protected people decreases, the number of new cases of that disease increase, just look at the UK - they from paractically zero cases per year to now thousands of cases per year, and Measles is now considered an endemic disease - meaning a disease that is always present in the population. The vaccine had practically wiped out the disease, but has now been allowed back in. With all of those many children not receiving vaccine, did the number of autism cases go down? Nope, they continued to climb like they are everywhere else.

Back in the 1950s 1 out of 33 got cancer. Now it is 1 out of 3. Vaccinations have played a major roll in that. See the above referenced documentation. Many of the detrimental effects of vaccines are not immediate, but take place years down the road. They are the perfect "soft-kill" method of shortening peoples lives. People get cancer 10 or 20 years later and don't put two & two together...that it was the vaccination that caused their cancer.

ccdaddy57 - mercury is a dead issue, it has not been in vaccines for years, and that change did not make a single difference! Stop talking about it, please. It is misinformation. opr - "evil toxic witches brew, containing dead murdered baby parts" Wow, stop and look at that for a second. Are you trying to scare people into doing what you want, or inform people? This thread is starting to look a lot like the antimormon threads I see all over the place.

There is science, and then there is junk science...as in Climatology, Big Tobacco, and Big Pharma.

As has been referenced and documented earlier...NO VACCINATION, NO AUTISM.

Vaccines contain aborted fetal tissue.

Documentation for the above facts referenced above.

For a little dose of reality on the hidden evil and horrors of abortion, search for Abortion: The Silent Scream at youtube.com -- or copy paste this direct link: http://youtu.be/cjNo_0cW-ek

I bear my witness that the killing of babies and the diabolical use of their tissues (as in vaccines) is utterly evil.

How decadant our society has become -- people selling their souls for Big Pharma's lie, that they will save us, if only we will inject into ourselves and our children, their evil, toxic witches brew, complete with dead, murdered baby parts.

decadent

mogulrunnin, you are sincerely mis-informed...On the mercury issue alone>>>It was not removed back when they said & it had a long shelf life, too...They did reduce it but everyone knows it's still in them as adjuvants & preservatives just as the CDC website states>>> http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/additives.htm...And it all adds up in the ridiculous number of vaccines given to children, now a days...When I was a child we had 8 & many have suffered allergies, asthma cancer, etc, even from back then... Please get your facts straight for the sake of children...See that CBS article I posted several times to see where human DNA, too, like mercury & other toxins in them are believed to cause these many differing conditions including autism.

Are you deniers of the true facts even aware of the CDC's recommended & ridiculous schedule of vaccinations for children?........ AT BIRTH>>> -HepB... 1 MONTH OLD>>> -HepB... 2 MONTHS OLD>>> -DTaP (each shot has 3 vaccines) -Hib (each shot has 2 vaccines) -IPV -PCV (each shot has 8 vaccines) -Rotavirus... 4 MONTHS OLD>>> -DTaP (each shot has 3 vaccines) -Hib (each shot has 2 vaccines) -IPV -PCV (each shot has 8 vaccines) -Rotavirus... 6 MONTHS OLD>>> -DTaP (each shot has 3 vaccines) -Flu -HepB -Hib (each shot has 2 vaccines) -IPV -PCV (each shot has 8 vaccines) -Rotavirus... 12 MONTHS OLD>>> -HepA -Hib (each shot has 2 vaccines) -MMR (each shot has 3 vaccines) -PCV (each shot has 8 vaccines) -Varicella... 15 MONTHS OLD>>> -DTaP (each shot has 3 vaccines)... 18 MONTHS OLD>>> -Flu -HepA... 4-6 YEARS OLD>>> -DTaP (each shot has 3 vaccines) -IPV -MMR (each shot has 3 vaccines)... 11-12 YEARS OLD>>> -MCV4........ As I said, RIDICULOUS!

Thank you opr...Good luck & God's Blessings in your selfless mission...God Bless us all & please open the eyes & ears of those who do not know their own children are being held in harm's way...Thank you Lord in advance for the miracle you will soon work on behalf of all children as this matter evolves...Amen

Great news, ccdaddy...Thank you for sharing>>> "WAKE FOREST UNIVERSITY RESEARCH REPLICATES WAKEFIELD’S MMR FINDINGS NEW EVIDENCE SUPPORTS LINK BETWEEN VACCINE MEASLES STRAIN AND AUTISM Nixa, MO – This week new research funded in part by NAA and its members will be presented in Montreal showing that the vaccine strain of the measles virus is present in the guts of autistic children. The new findings replicate the initial findings of Dr. Andrew Wakefield"...^smile^ Truth's rolling over the deception so many of us bought into like a freight train...Thank the good that God is for that...

Mr.Mogul,The CDC Dir.upon removing the children's vaccine preservative Thimerosal for in her words. A prudent measure was the reason it was removed. Instantly she put it back, but with a twist. She the Dir advised pregnant through their Dr.'s to get the Flu vaccine even if it contains the preservative Thimerosal. That is it's self strange considering the fact that the Manufacturer says on their MSDS sheet of their product Eli - Lillys Thimerosal that pregnant women should never be exposed to Thimerosal for it can cross the placenta and go into the baby and cause mild to severe mental retardation. She the Dir. has always said, she has read the Simpsonwood meeting transcripts. And knew them very well. Then in that case, she should remembered. That those who were in attendance, said you would want to never go any earlier with this. (they were speaking of the mercury based children's vaccine preservative Thimerosal)if you did you would most certainly get more outcomes. And they did!!!! If that was the consensus, of those researchers and Dr.'s at that meeting. Why would you ever want to go any earlier with the mercury, with a warning like that? Before you answer that in your head, consider this she the Dir. also said children 6 mos to 2 yr's were also at risk for flu complications and must get their flu shots. Did any of you, out there understand what she just did????? She the CDC Dir. just kept the numbers from dropping dramatically in any way. Hence their words when talking about having to remove it the Thimerosal "we have a plan in place" That plan consisted, of going back in with the mercury through Pregnant woman and children 6 mos. to 2 yr's of age so the numbers would remain stable. According to the Cochran collaboration, that's the UK's answer to our what we call the IOM.Their findings on children 6 mos to 2 yr's, that age group gets absolutely no benefit except that of a placebo effect from the inactivated flu vaccine. Lets recap, your brilliant statement was this; mercury is a dead issue, it has not been in vaccines for years, and that change did not make a single difference! Now, lets recap what the head of the CDC done. Pulled Thimerosal from children's vaccines, for as she admitted was a prudent measure. And then put it back, and went into children even earlier. Which if we are to believe, those in attendance at at meeting to discuss finding mercury was in children's vaccines. If you ever go any earlier, you will most certainly get more out comes.in other words She then went into pregnant woman, even with a stern warning by the manufacturer of Thimerosal. If you do, it will cross the placenta and go into the baby and cause mild to severe mental retardation. Then she the Dir. of the CDC, the second highest official in our government in charge of health. Goes back into children 6 mos to 2 yr's, with the same mercury that was removed for a prudent measure. With a warning, it only produces at best a placebo effect. I hope it was only stupidity, that she did what she did. If not, then she the Dir. is guilty of something that is worse than treason. For she the Dir. not only did she and those that helped her poison children. They did so knowingly, there's a word for that. It's called premeditated!

Listen up everybody, this year the flu vaccine has a new additive. It's the H1N1, it by it's self is a pandemic vaccine. And it because it is a pandemic vaccine has no liability none. So when they put the H1N1, in the regular flu vaccine it to has no liability also. In easy to understand, layman's terms. If you get hurt by the new two in one, go live under a bridge. Pretty sneaky Huh!! But they got what they wanted right under your very noses.

Here is something that I wrote a while back in response to someone who posted this;;;;;;;;;;; ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; "Close to 100 different studies, all with a sufficient number of children, have determined that thimerosal is NOT a risk to children. It's not a causative factor in autism in children." ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; I wrote this; you have no idea, what has happened to our kids. People like you say things like. ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; "That has been borne out by hundreds of studies reviewed by America’s chief independent advisor on science and health policy, the Institute of Medicine, as well as studies conducted by the Centers for Disease Control and more.;;;;;;;; ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; I wrote you apparently do not know, that all the large population based studies have been debunked by their own NIEHS .This is all about a report that was sent to a Congressional committee from the CDC Congress was under great pressure from the parents and other scientist and researchers who were inquiring about the CDC's Vaccine science. Was it real? and was it quality? ''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''What they uncovered,to say the least was indeed Shocking ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; In this Congressional report, the "CDC Director Dr. Julie Gerberding delivered a potentially explosive revelation. To the all so powerful House Appropriations Committee, on the science that the CDC has passed off as good quality sound design and robust. That's the studies that were used to debunk, the fear that children's vaccines were indeed causing on a mass scale all kinds of neurological damage in our children. In this report to Congress, She the CDC Dir. admits to a startling string of errors in the design and methods used in the CDC's landmark 2003 study that found no link between mercury in vaccines and Autism, ADD, ADHD,Speech Delay or Tics. By this new revelation, we can glean that at the least, the Dir. is guilty of world class incompetence. Border lining on insanity and stupidity!! At the worse, she the CDC Dir.that we the American people have entrusted with the health and well being of our most precious resource. Our children! Is responsible for the prolonging of the suffering of our Vaccine damaged children. And is guilty of a criminal cover up. And when you find out, the latest findings on the Denmark studies.that were done by the CDC and a researcher we now know as Poul Thorsen it makes it very clear his work was orchestrated by the CDC and those who were concerned that they had possibly Mercury poisoned a generation of kids. And all this Fraudulent research,it was done as a massive conspiracy to cover up. On a scale that has never been seen before involving the FDA CDC AAP WHO and all the Vaccine makers that faced. Litigation of such on a scale, that has never been seen before. They all were afraid of the mountain of law suites they would face. If the American people ever learned, what had happened to a generation of our American children. This is the studies, the IOM used to conclude that vaccines are not associated with Autism. It seems, that mountain of evidence that they claimed they had, was in fact just a fabricated mirage. That was produced, to save an already failing antiquated very dangerous vaccine program. That has produce the sickest american children in all of our American history. That grow up, to be the sickest adults in American history. That has caused the cost of health care to soar, with no end in sight. ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;This is a perfect example, where telling the truth in stead of hiding from the American people. Would have saved a lot suffering and trillions of dollars. For the life long care, of those who were effected by these dangerous vaccines.;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; This is from a letter to a reporter on his article about the parents loss in vaccine court. Dr. Snyderman from ABC news was quoted and said they took the thimerosal out of vaccines and the rate of autism went up. It was the Denmark study that she Dr. Snyderman was referring to. Notice this statement, from the chair of the NIEHS panel ordered by Congress to look at the evidence the CDC had fabricated.;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; Dr. Irva Hertz-Picciotto words were as follows "As questionable as the US thimerosal study was, "it was an improvement on other studies, including the two in Denmark, both of which had serious weaknesses in their designs," ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;Dr. Irva Hertz-Picciotto, Professor of Public Health at UC Davis Medical School and Chair of the NIEHS panel, told reporter Dan Olmsted at UPI.;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; (That leaves very little for the CDC to go on in terms of proving that thimerosal and autism are not associated in anyway.);;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; (That leaves very little for the CDC to go on in terms of proving that thimerosal and autism are not associated in anyway.) that's a far cry from what Dr. Snyderman and Dr.Offit and Dr.Harvey Karp is saying. It doe's appear they are very badly misinformed, and in turn they are putting out misinformation. ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; You know, what they are accusing us the parents of.;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; The Dir.of the CDC was asked for a response to the Congressional report CDC Dir.Dr.Gerberdings response was I concur. ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; She then said If you give us more time we will do good quality studies. ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; She also said any further use of the VSD (Vaccine Safety Data link)and it's ability to find a link to autism would be misleading.;;;;; ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; She the Dir. just admitted to what we are accused of spreading misinformation... I guess after all these years we can come to the conclusion, she the Dir.was misleading the public all along. And for what reason, would she the Dir. of the CDC do this? Simple, her future employer MERCK wanted it that way. Dr. Julie Gerberding (of CDC) Named President of Merck Vaccines Autistic children,she who we trusted was stacking them deep and selling them out cheap! at the expense of the American tax payer WHITEHOUSE STATION, N.J. - (Business Wire) Merck & Co., Inc. (NYSE: MRK) today announced that Dr. Julie Gerberding has been named president of Merck Vaccines, effective January 25, 2010. This is what they say when they are not in the public eye. This is taken from a meeting called Simpsonwood notice, that the only thing this all so caring bunch is worried about is that with the current research out there they could face mountains of litigation. Our American children we entrusted to them were not even on their radar that was a CYA day. This statement, was from the top scientist that was at attendance that day. This is the key statement, he made that makes the parents point. That they were not looking out for our kids and here is proof. Dr. Brent words ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; If an allegation was made that a child's neurobehavioral findings were caused by Thimerosal containing vaccines, you could readily find a junk scientist who would support the claim with "a reasonable degree of certainty". But you will not find a scientist with any integrity who would say the reverse with the data that is available. Dr. Brent just proved,with his statement that in the US. finding integrity in scientist on this issue is almost an impossibility. ================================ Dr. Brent: Page 229: "The medical legal findings in this study, causal or not, are horrendous and therefore, it is important that the suggested epidemiological, pharmacokinetic, and animal studies be performed. If an allegation was made that a child's neurobehavioral findings were caused by Thimerosal containing vaccines, you could readily find a junk scientist who would support the claim with "a reasonable degree of certainty". But you will not find a scientist with any integrity who would say the reverse with the data that is available. And that is true. So we are in a bad position from the standpoint of defending any lawsuits if they were initiated and I am concerned." So we are in a bad position from the standpoint of defending any lawsuits if they were initiated and I am concerned." The bible says; where your treasure is,there will your heart be also... This Nation has lost it's moral compass because After finding out all this,the all so powerful House Appropriations Committee. Did not act to protect our American children,in fact they did nothing. Even with an admission of guilt, from the then in charge CDC Dir.Dr. Gerberding who is now making 2 million dollars a yr. for her continued misleading the public on this all so important issue. Continued on the Denmark scandal, that is unfolding. With out any the media coverage at all. Here in this free country...

The latest on the Denmark scandal,A Danish researcher is now being indicted charged on 13 counts of wire fraud and 9 counts of money laundering. The Indictment states that he Poul worked others known and unknown by this grand jury..... He took the hard earned tax dollars of Americans, and bought him a home next to those who helped him fabricate the fake studies. The CDC. He also bought with the research funds 2 cars and a Harley Davidson motorcycle & wired himself almost 1 million dollars in cash. While the little children suffered. ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;Where is the Senate and the Congress hearings, on this CDC perpetrated fraud on the America people. To cover up a disaster, of such proportion. It will take decades, and Trillions of dollars to fix this. That had all started because of an agencies need to not admit to a mistake. Pride commeth just before a great fall the bible says. I seems producing studies for the CDC, out of thin air that proves putting massive amounts of mercury in children actually are good for the children and does not cause Autism, Pays big dividends..

Thank you, CCDaddy. I would now like to re-emphasize the following: This is an important point because there was a time when too many parents were focusing just on the mercury -- believing that was the only problem, only to allow their children to be vaccinated with what they were told were "safe" vaccines, because the mercury had been removed. This deception has contributed to vaccine-damaged children in very high numbers. Remember the truth conveyed to us by DrJTaylor, quoting Mayer Eisenstein, M.D. ...NO VACCINATION, NO AUTISM. I will remind you that Mayer Eisenstein is a student of the late, renowned pediatrician, Robert S Mendelsohn. Dr Eisenstein has a huge practice with 35,000 kids that have never been vaccinated and an autism incidence of zero compared to the staggering national figures of 1 in 166 (now more) having autism. The Amish who do not vaccinate also have no autism -- except 2 cases -- both kids had been born outside the Amish society and received vaccination before coming back into the Amish society. The Amish have been blessed immensely by their wisdom with respect to vaccinations. ...population figure for the Amish...249 thousand.

In other words...mercury-compound-containing vaccines are very dangerous...and vaccines that have had a reduction or removal of mercury compounds are also very, very dangerous.

...an excerpt from some of the information contained in the above referenced search: An important, recent study conducted by the US Environmental Protection Agency, which was published in February of 2010 in the Journal, Environmental Science and Technology, demonstrates the use of aborted fetal tissue in vaccines to be a causative factor in the dramatically increased rates of autism that began to occur from that time. An absolutely astounding, fifteen-fold (1,500%) increase in autism rates has occurred...and correlates with the timing of an escalation in the use of aborted fetal tissue as a component in vaccines. Autism: Study Confirms Increased Rates Correlate with Use of Aborted Fetal Cells In Vaccines

http://www.naturalnews.com/028688_autism_fetal_cells.html

How decadant our society has become -- people selling their souls for Big Pharma's lie, that they will save us, if only we will inject into ourselves and our children, their evil, toxic witches brew, complete with dead, murdered baby parts.

The latest discussion is a fantastic example of you those few of you who are talking a lot during this discussion twist facts. The thimerisol was taken out of every vaccine except for the MULTIDOSE flu shot and one other that is not routinely given. You only need a preservative when you ship multiple doses in the same vial, and inject multiple needles into a bottle. Go into any place that gives shots to kids, all they have is single-dose vials, so they don't need a preservative for these shots. Even flu shot - when possible, kids are given the single-dose vial shot which means no mercury. ALL other shots given to kids are in single-dose vials. By the way, there is 5 times more mercury in a can of tuna than was in the shots before they took it out, and it was a SAFE form of mercury to begin with. The vast majority of kids under the age of 5 have never had a shot with mercury in it - AND IT DIDN'T CHANGE THE AUTISM OR ANY OTHER DISEASE RATES ONE BIT!

I agree that removing one ingredient from vaccines is not the answer. Any vaccine with or without mercury compounds reduced or removed is still very, very dangerous...and with respect specifically to autism...NO VACCINATIONS, NO AUTISM...documentation referenced above.

I bear my witness that the killing of babies and the diabolical use of their tissues (as in vaccines) is utterly evil.

mogulrunnin Why are you spreading all this misinformation? You said, "it was a safe mercury" That is not at all true, and you should know it. The NIH funded study, on baby primates. Prove it! 1st, Thimerosal ethy-mercury crosses the BBB easier than does the fish methyl-mercury. Where it turns into Inorganic mercury, that BTW is the most damaging to the Mitochondria. You know, the mito problems that The CDC Dir spoke of when she admitted. "If a child gets some vaccines, and spikes a fever and had other complications and is predisposed to a mitochondria disorder. It can certainly set off some damage, and some of that damage could be symptoms that could be considered characteristic of Autism. That's very clear, VACCINES CAN AN DO CAUSE AUTISM the CDC Dir. just said so. Continued

2nd, Thimerosal (that by the way is used in the making of vaccine, in the big vats... and then it's chelated out. And we the public, do not know! How much,did not get chelated. For it is now impossible, to ever know how much remains after the chelation of the vat. As sick, and greedy as these vaccine corp's are. When you chelate the Thimerosal out, you lose vaccine product. A lot of product, so I could see this industry. Cutting, so to speak corners. Who would know? Would they do that? Merck had a hit list for Dr's and researchers who spoke out against their product Vioxx in Australia. Us in the US.,know of it. As it was pulled from the US. market here, after finding it was causing extensive damage. And a lot of it! In the internal Merck memos,they said that "some we will discredit, others we may have to seek them out and destroy them where they live. Then, they were also admitting. And appeared to be bragging, about being able to interfere with academic appointments. I assume, that's so they can get the fake studies needed to sale their snake oil. Merck asked Elsevier, the maker of medical journals to create for them six fake journals. Is this someone to trust? when asking, is your children's vaccines safe? That gives new meaning, when asking us. Is that pier reviewed, and in a prestigious journal... The JAMA of the AMA knows for a fact Thimerosal is super dangerous, because they published the findings of microbiologist and Dr.Frank Engley in-fact the the AMA funded it, his words were. That again!!! they published!!!!!! "we find Thimerosal TOXIC down to an unbelievable level down to one one millionth of a gram. He said that, that is about as TOXIC as you can get. That was before, when they had integrity. And before, they became the shameful shell. They are today, of the once prestigious AMA that again funded & published those all so damning findings of the blue ribbon panel on Thimerosal Also it was about, almost useless as a anti microbal. Here is The brilliant Dr. Engleys findings as to the uselessness of the product. It is clear from this research supported by a grant from the American Medical Association that Thimerosal is neither efficacious nor safe, and should be removed as a preservative in prescription biologics and pharmaceutical products, as well as from topical over-the-counter products such as Butt-Balm that have Thimerosal present in their formulations as an active ingredient. I believe this proves you wrong, and if the AMA had not lost it's moral compass & integrity. To a point, they are willing to sacrifice little children for monetary gain. They would have to, since they funded the studies to admit it.....At this point, they may have less than a nickles worth of integrity left...or even less! For it takes a very corrupted soul, to allow children to suffer. Knowing that they could have done something, about it.

Mogul never came back to defend himself, and the parents monitoring this article. Can see who is lying for dollars, and who is a truth teller..

Yes they can ccdaddy. I am always shocked to hear people say the mercury was removed as mogulrunnin attempted to tell people. Dead give away that the person parroting the mis-information didn't do the research.

Is mogulrunnin LDS, opr?...Do you know?

I don't know, but I highly doubt it...seems to me to just be someone using standard Big Pharma propaganda techniques and sound bites with respect to vaccinations...additionally, seems to be cold, calculating and indifferent with respect to the dead, murdered baby parts in vaccines issue.

I would like post a portion of an earlier post from another article, that concerns Merck. The fact that they own Medco. They sell diapers wet wipes and other devices and stuff used to take care of the damage that Vaccines and legal drugs cause. And make, a tidy profit doing it..... I recently found out, that Medco the company that we get 440 diapers a month from. [ that is a tax payer paid program ] [is owned by Merck].( End User License: Merck-Medco Managed Care, L.L.C.) The perfect business opportunity [ crime ], Destroy neurologically a child to a point they are now 21 yr's old and still in diapers. With their mandated tax payer vaccine program.And make a cool billion doing so, and then sell the government Mood altering drugs and seizure meds diapers and wet wipes. [ for the life of the child ]. And our elected officials wonder why, we are Trillions in debt.... Here's the answer [they are paying it out, to their constituents,] [ the pharmaceutical co's ] for the damage!!! they done, to our American children with their all so safe and effective Vaccine program..... High TREASON, at it's finest. Sodom and Gomorrah, did not know the time of their visitation. Of the wrath of and angry God.....I believe culturing vaccine on an aborted fetal retina, is a sign the cup of indignation is about full and maybe over flowing. Because, that is the ultimate slap!......... in the face to God. PS 23 vaccines, now contain in them fetal tissue from an aborted No! lets just call it what it is [ a gift from God, that has been murdered & placed in a vaccine] That is the ultimate sick!!! A nation that allows that, needs to look up your deliverance example [Sodom and Gomorrah] draws nigh.... For those a little challenged, or who has had one to many flu vaccines containing mercury. I will give you the definition of indignation, it is this; Anger! aroused by something unjust, mean, or unworthy.

How can a scientist, be working with the retina of an aborted fetus. And not think, this was once part of an innocent child's eye? It all comes from a hardened heart, that cannot know Christ.

God said he reserves the right to make vessels of Honor, and dishonor, One does not have to think very hard, to figure what category these scientist willing to do this kind atrocity's to our children fits into....And all done for the greater Greed, or as they put it. Good....

Wow. I had my comment deleted...It was a fair challenge to Dr. Boud & may have been harsh in parts like where I said people in the know working to push vaccines & holding children in harm's way will be held accountable...It was written in fact & truth & very important so I am sad to see it censored...I did say silence would be an admission of guilt on Dr. Boud's part & would like to know if it's him who monitors this list?...Whoever it is this is not a fair practice. Especially being that our children's health & well being is at stake.

Each day more doctors wake up & I was so hoping Dr. Boud would be next... Please see this from the Center For Advanced Medicine And Clinical Research, where a growing body of scientists, doctors & members of Congress are said to be challenging the claim that there’s no link between vaccines & autism;>>> http://www.drbuttar.com/autism.php........ Not that human DNA or mercury are the only toxin in vaccines we have to worry about, either... Don’t miss the revealing video at the bottom of the page. This is just one of many investigative reports by Sharyl Attkisson from CBS... It’s said there that the CDC may become the ENRON OF THE VACCINE INDUSTRY. Many know it already has.

I meant to add to my prior comment that when you listen to that news clip to take note as you hear one of the doctors in it say the day he read the report he was ashamed to be a doctor.

Every doctor should have to see this>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=id-gGYQihaM........ What would they say about Congressman Dan Burton & all that was revealed at this Government Reform Committee at the U.S. House of Representatives meeting that took place in 2002?... Back then Congressman Burton quoted 1 in 150 being harmed & now that number is 1 in 100 & 1 in 58 when it comes to our boys.......Crazy, huh?...Rising right along with the increase in vaccines through the years & obvious to see but still being covered up & ignored...No more, though...We the parents & world citizens won't allow it & have taken matters into our own hands by funding a billboard project all over the globe to warn everyone, no shots, no school, is not true...It's important to note the doctor from the FDA & how she hung them when the show down took place...I felt it important to add as this is a very important tell the matter.

...another excerpt from some of what you will find when you conduct the above referenced search...just one more glaring example of just how much Big Pharma really cares about you and your children. Every parent and grandparent needs to see this: Making A Killing: THE UNTOLD STORY OF PSYCHOTROPIC DRUGGING -------- Psychotropic drugs. It’s the story of big money—drugs that fuel a $330 billion psychiatric industry, without a single cure. The cost in human terms is even greater—these drugs now kill an estimated 42,000 people every year. And the death count keeps rising. Containing the testimony of a great many highly credible witnesses, including former drug company sales reps and researchers, lawyers, mental health experts, the families of victims and the survivors themselves, this riveting documentary rips the mask off psychotropic drugging and exposes a brutal but well-entrenched money-making machine. Google the title to find it, or copy paste the following link, and go there directly:

http://youtu.be/UDlH9sV0lHU

For those who may be pressured in the future by doctors pushing you to vaccinate your children, this document may be helpful. These are your children & the information in this warranty is mind boggling, to say the least. If physicians haven't done the actual research themselves, this form will show them you have. And if they have done the research, shame on them for, purposely, putting your children at risk, considering the high & growing numbers of child victims which is the real science behind vaccines. Simple math & science that cannot be denied any longer. Please share this form with your friends & family>>>>>>>> The Warranty of Vaccine Safety For Pediatricians For a printable version, click HERE; http://www.rescuepost.com/files/physicians-vaccine-warranty.doc Physician’s Warranty of Vaccine Safety I (Physician’s name, degree)_________________________, _____ am a physician licensed to practice medicine in the State of ________________ . My State license number is _______________ , and my DEA number is _______________. My medical specialty is ________________________ I have a thorough understanding of the risks and benefits of all the medications that I prescribe for or administer to my patients. In the case of (Patient’s name) ___________________________ , age _________ , whom I have examined, I find that certain risk factors exist that justify the recommended vaccinations. The following is a list of said risk factors and the vaccinations that will protect against them: Risk Factor Vaccination _____________________________________________________ _______________________________ _____________________________________________________ _______________________________ _____________________________________________________ _______________________________ _____________________________________________________ _______________________________ _____________________________________________________ _______________________________ _____________________________________________________ _______________________________ _____________________________________________________ _______________________________ _____________________________________________________ _______________________________ I am aware that vaccines typically contain many of the following fillers: • aluminum hydroxide • aluminum phosphate • ammonium sulfate • amphotericin B • animal tissues: pig blood, horse blood, rabbit brain, • dog kidney, monkey kidney, • chick embryo, chicken egg, duck egg • calf (bovine) serum • betapropiolactone • fetal bovine serum • formaldehyde • formalin • gelatin • glycerol • human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue) • hydrolized gelatin • mercury thimerosol (thimerosal, Merthiolate®) • monosodium glutamate (MSG) • neomycin • neomycin sulfate • phenol red indicator • phenoxyethanol (antifreeze) • potassium diphosphate • potassium monophosphate • polymyxin B • polysorbate 20 • polysorbate 80 • porcine (pig) pancreatic hydrolysate of casein • residual MRC5 proteins • sorbitol • tri(n)butylphosphate, • VERO cells, a continuous line of monkey kidney cells, and • washed sheep red blood (www.wellnessshow.blogspot.com, http://www.909shot.com, http://www.cbn.com/CBNnews/204991.aspx) and, hereby, warrant that these ingredients are safe for injection into the body of my patient. I have researched reports to the contrary, such as reports that mercury thimerosal causes severe neurological and immunological damage, and find that they are not credible. I am aware that some vaccines have been found to have been contaminated with Simian Virus 40 (SV 40) and that SV 40 is causally linked by some researchers to non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma and mesotheliomas in humans as well as in experimental animals. I hereby warrant that the vaccines I employ in my practice do not contain SV 40 or any other live viruses. (Alternately, I hereby warrant that said SV-40 virus or other viruses pose no substantive risk to my patient.) I hereby warrant that the vaccines I am recommending for the care of (Patient’s name) _______________ _______________________ do not contain any tissue from aborted human babies (also known as “fetuses”). In order to protect my patient’s well being, I have taken the following steps to guarantee that the vaccines I will use will contain no damaging contaminants. STEPS TAKEN: ____________________________________________________________________ __________________________________________________________________________________ __________________________________________________________________________________ __________________________________________________________________________________ I have personally investigated the reports made to the VAERS (Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System) and state that it is my professional opinion that the vaccines I am recommending are safe for administration to a child under the age of 5 years. The bases for my opinion are itemized on Exhibit A , attached hereto, – “Physician’s Bases for Professional Opinion of Vaccine Safety.” (Please itemize each recommended vaccine separately along with the bases for arriving at the conclusion that the vaccine is safe for administration to a child under the age of 5 years.) The professional journal articles I have relied upon in the issuance of this Physician’s Warranty of Vaccine Safety are itemized on Exhibit B , attached hereto, – “Scientific Articles in Support of Physician’s Warranty of Vaccine Safety.” The professional journal articles that I have read which contain opinions adverse to my opinion are itemized on Exhibit C , attached hereto, – “Scientific Articles Contrary to Physician’s Opinion of Vaccine Safety.” The reasons for my determining that the articles in Exhibit C were invalid are delineated in Attachment D , attached hereto, – “Physician’s Reasons for Determining the Invalidity of Adverse Scientific Opinions.” Hepatitis B I understand that 60% of patients who are vaccinated for Hepatitis B will lose detectable antibodies to Hepatitis B within 12 years. I understand that in 1996 only 54 cases of Hepatitis B were reported to the CDC in the 0-1 year age group. I understand that in the VAERS, there were 1,080 total reports of adverse reactions from Hepatitis B vaccine in 1996 in the 0-1 year age group, with 47 deaths reported. I understand that 50% of patients who contract Hepatitis B develop no symptoms after exposure. I understand that 30% will develop only flu-like symptoms and will have lifetime immunity. I understand that 20% will develop the symptoms of the disease, but that 95% will fully recover and have lifetime immunity. I understand that 5% of the patients who are exposed to Hepatitis B will become chronic carriers of the disease. I understand that 75% of the chronic carriers will live with an asymptomatic infection and that only 25% of the chronic carriers will develop chronic liver disease or liver cancer, 10-30 years after the acute infection. The following scientific studies have been performed to demonstrate the safety of the Hepatitis B vaccine in children under the age of 5 years. ___________________________________________________________________________________ ___________________________________________________________________________________ ___________________________________________________________________________________ In addition to the recommended vaccinations as protections against the above cited risk factors, I have recommended other non-vaccine measures to protect the health of my patient and have enumerated said non-vaccine measures on Exhibit D , attached hereto, “Non-vaccine Measures to Protect Against Risk Factors.” I am issuing this Physician’s Warranty of Vaccine Safety in my professional capacity as the attending physician to (Patient’s name) ________________________________. Regardless of the legal entity under which I normally practice medicine, I am issuing this statement in both my business and individual capacities and hereby waive any statutory, Common Law, Constitutional, UCC, international treaty, and any other legal immunities from liability lawsuits in the instant case. _____________ I issue this document of my own free will after consultation with competent legal counsel whose name is _____________________________, an attorney admitted to the Bar in the State of __________________ . __________________________________ (Name of Attending Physician) __________________________________ L.S. (Signature of Attending Physician) Signed on this _______ day of ______________ A.D. ________ Witness: ___________________________________ Date: ________________________ Notary Public: ______________________________ Date: ___________

Derived from normal lung tissue of a 14-week-old male fetus by J. P. Jacobs in September 1966 (Nature 227: 168-170, 1970), the MRC-5 cell line was established in a growth medium consisting of Earle's Basal Medium in Earle's balanced salt solution supplemented with 10% calf (bovine) serum. The MRC-5 cell strain (like the WI-38 cell line) is susceptible to a wide range of human viruses. http://www.viromed.com/services/product/mrc5.htm Viral vaccines are often cultured on aborted fetal tissue. There are several types of fetal cells in which the virus is grown: MRC5, WI-38, WI-26 VA4, RA273, PER C and HEK 293. This has raised concerns, with reports of some individuals with religious objections to abortion refusing vaccination because they feel this makes them complicit with the original act of abortion. Some deem it unethical to use vaccines from fetal cell lines for the following reasons: 1) If abortion is immoral then profiting from it must also be immoral. 2) The unborn child was unable to give consent for its body parts to be used, so it is therefore disrespectful to the dead. 3) The argument that "the fetal tissues would just go to waste if they were not used" was not accepted at the Nuremberg trials of scientists who used body parts from concentration camp victims. This abuse of the child's body only compounds the injustice of the original abortion, even if the vaccine producers were in no way connected to the abortion. 4) Use of this vaccine implies acceptance of the legality of abortion, and does nothing to discourage the use of fetal parts or cell lines in vaccine manufacture or other branches of medicine. Vaccines that use aborted fetuses: Acambis 1000 (smallpox) Acambis -- MRC5 Avaxim (hepatitis A) Pateur Merieux -- MRC5 Biavax (mumps, rubella) Merck -- RA273, WI-38 Ervevax (rubella) Smithkilne Beecham -- MRC5 Havarix (hepatitis A) Smithkilne Beecham -- MRC5 Imovax HDCV, DCO (rabies) Pasteur Merieux Connaught -- MRC5 Meruvax II (rubella) Merck -- RA273, WI-38 MMR II (Measles, mumps, rubella) Merck Sharp & Dohme -- WI-38 MR VAX (measles, rubella) Merck -- RA273, WI-38 Poliovax (polio, IPV) MRC5 Priorix (measles, mumps, rubella) Smithkline Beecham -- MRC5 Proquad (mmr, chickenpox/varicella) Merck -- RA273, WI-38, MRC5 Twinrix (hepatitis A and B) GSK -- MRC5 VAQTA (hepatitis A) MSD -- MRC5 Varivax (chickenpox, varicella) MSD -- WI-38 Zostavax (shingles) Merck -- MRC5, WI-38 http://www.dgwsoft.co.uk/homepages/vaccines/alternatives.htm http://www.cogforlife.org/fetalvaccines.htm Human cell Line: PER C6:Created from retinal tissue of 18 week gestation aborted fetus Developed in 1985, PER C6 is the growth medium for a wide variety of human disease-causing viruses that can be processed into inactivated whole virus, live-attenuated, live-vector, split, subunit and recombinant vaccines. August 12, 2002 Med-Immune Inc. To Produce New Flu Vaccine Usi ...more Developed in 1985, PER C6 is the growth medium for a wide variety of human disease-causing viruses that can be processed into inactivated whole virus, live-attenuated, live-vector, split, subunit and recombinant vaccines. August 12, 2002 Med-Immune Inc. To Produce New Flu Vaccine Using Cancer-Potential Aborted Fetal Cell Line PER C6 http://www.cogforlife.org/fluPress.htm Found in the following vaccines: Ebola vaccine West Nile vaccine Influenza vaccine Malaria vaccine Tuberculosis vaccine Rabies antibody combination info@crucell.com www.crucell.com http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:_nK9mAXvoCIJ:www.crucell.com/page/downloads/Fact_Sheet_PERC6_design.pdf+%22per+c6%22&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=48&client=safari Ethical Concerns "Recently in 1985, a cell line PER C6 was developed and being used in research for Ebola and HIV vaccines. Where did it come from? Dr Alex Van Der , the scientist who developed it stated: from retinal of fetus…….. In all the cases, it is quite clear aborted babies might had been healthy, with no life threathening condition or other medically indicated reasons to aobrt them. But is the abortion morally right or the use of the tissue cell lines?" http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:bzzrbb4ekqgJ:politics.scienceboard.net/archives/2005/09/24/43/+%22per+c6%22+human+tissue&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=7 President Bush's Cell-Culture Technology In April of this year, another supplier Sanofi Pasteur was awarded a $97 million contract from the US Health and Human Services Department (HHS) to speed the production process for new cell-culture influenza vaccines. Sanofi Pasteur will be using PER.C6 cell-culture. The PER.C6-based pandemic flu vaccine will be the first influenza vaccine developed using human cell production technology. Herein lies the problem. The PER.C6 human cell-culture comes from an aborted fetus. http://www.kyrieology.com/drupal/goddoings/whatifindinteresting/cellculture Hide. "ADF: U.S. Coast Guard officers should not be forced to violate conscience in order to serve country" ""Those who lay their life on the line to defend our shores are entitled to the same religious freedoms as anyone else," said ADF Legal Counsel Matt Bowman. "Members of the U.S. military should never be forced to make an unconstitutional choice between honoring their country and honoring their faith." In May 2006, the Coast Guard, which requires its personnel to be vaccinated against a variety of diseases, ordered all active-duty personnel to receive one of two vaccines against Hepatitis A or show proof of immunity. The vaccines are derived from cells taken from the lung tissue of a child who was electively aborted at 14 weeks gestation and then dissected. The U.S. Coast Guard allows religious exemptions for those who hold a "religious tenet or belief contrary to immunization."" No Author, -- 1/4/2008 Alliance Defense Fund ***According to the FDA website: 8 vaccines contain forms of aborted fetal tissue (Fetal Cell Line Wistar RA 27/3, Fetal Cell Line WI-38, and MRC-5), human serum albumin (from human blood), genetically engineered human albumin, and DNA. MMR (MMRII), Chic Pox (Varivax), Chic Pox/MMR (ProQuad), Hep A (Havrix), Hep A (Vaqta), DTap/Hib/Polio (Pentacel), Rabies (ImoVax) and Rabies (RabAvert). http://www.vaccine-tlc.org/human.html ***According to a retired pharmaceutical scientist: 23 vaccines contain DNA. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20049118-10391695.html Vaccines and Autism, A new scientific review (cbs news investigation) Human DNA in vaccines ***According to the CDC website: 6 vaccines contain either aborted fetal tissues, human serum albumin or DNA. http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/B/excipient-table-1.pdf http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/B/excipient-table-1.pdf http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/07/10/this-shocking-fact-is-never-disclosed-on-any-vaccine-informed-consent-form.aspx (Human DNA in vaccines) Fetal Cell Line: MRC-5, WI-38, RA27/3 (also note the RA27/3 strain of rubella virus was observed to induce brain cell death), WI-26 VA4, HEK-293, and IMR-90. PER.C6 is a newer cell line developed by Crucell and licensed by Merck. According to this document, the fetus was healthy and normal when killed at 18 weeks. The mother decided to abort because she was unsure who the father was. At the outset PER.C6 was started for the sole purpose of vaccine development. This 2005 patent reads on line 0224, "Human embryonic retinoblast (HER) cells were isolated from the eyes of aborted fetuses of 18 and 21 weeks of age." (The patent is prefaced by this 2001 application assigned to Crucell). This research illustrates how the PER.C6 cell line is being promoted for use in flu, HIV/AIDS, tuberculosis, malaria, rabies, cancer, and other vaccines.

According to the fda, thimerasol is 50% mercury. According to the CDC, 9 vaccines still contain mercury. According to Eli Lilly thimerasol is toxic.

Some things you may not know about Wakefield: The media reported that his study was a fraud. They said that it had never been replicated. The truth is that it was done 2 years prior by 2 other researchers and a presentation was given to the Royal Free Hospital. Wakefield’s study wasn't even about autism and vaccines. It was about gastro intestinal problems in children with autism. The media claimed that he said there was a link. In his paper he said that there was enough evidence that it should be studied further. It was also reported that the other researchers on the study had retracted their findings. "We wish to make it clear that in this paper no causal link was established between MMR vaccine and autism as the data was insufficient. However, the possibility of such a link was raised and consequent events have had major implications for public health. In view of this, we consider now is the appropriate time that we should together formally retract the interpretation placed upon these findings in the paper, according to precedent." Again, the original case report itself never interpreted the data as establishing a causal link between MMR and autism, so there was no "causal" interpretation to retract. It has also been proven in court documents in Australia that Merck, the makers of Viox had internal emails where employees discuss “destroying" doctors critical of their products "where they live". MMR is a Merck product. Dr. Wakefield, Professor Walker-Smith and Professor Murch all lived in the UK at the time this study was conducted. Merck is the manufacturer of the MMR vaccines. If the Lancet case report did not say MMR causes autism, and if his collection of biopsies for research purposes was pre-approved by the Ethical Practices Committee, why is there a case against Dr. Wakefield (and colleagues)? Medical authorities in the UK (and the United States) do not like it when licensed medical professionals ask questions about vaccine safety. Licensed medical professionals and medical researchers who question vaccine safety are more difficult to dismiss than parents who notice adverse reactions after vaccination. The prosecution of Dr. Wakefield, Professor Walker-Smith and Professor Murch is an example and warning to other licensed medical professionals and researchers. The warning is clear: If you question the safety of a vaccine, you put your license and career at risk. It was also never reported that the author who supposedly found that the study was a fraud, actually committed fraud himself while investigating. Now the parents of the children in the study are going after the British Medical Journal and Deer and wanting to find out how they got the medical records. If you actually go on and listen to Wakefield about his study, you might learn something Some more things that never came out about Brian Deer the journalist: 1. In the study process that was done, Dr walker-smith and murch, took the biopsies to a panel of docs who didnt find any intestinal problems. They then took the biopsies, with no other info to an expert, he found on all the slides, gastro intestinal problems such as ulcers. Deer, skipped reporting this part of the process, and he only reported about the panel of docs who didn't find anything. 2. Deer got ahold of the private medical records from the children's doctors without permission from the parents. We all know that permission to release records has to be given. So how did he get these records? 4. He said that these records did not show any adverse symptoms after the vaccination. The truth is that in these records which have since been released, the doctors had written symptoms of adverse side effects after the shots. 5. Deer held onto these records as long as he could and didn't disclose the truth about how he got them or the content. 6. Deer lied to the parents of the children to gain access to them. 7. Deer stated that Wakefield didn't have approval by the ethics committee to do this research or biopsies on the children for his research. The truth is that he did have approval and has shown the document signed and dated which gives approval. Now tell me, do you believe a journalist who has done all of things? ARe you going to believe a pharma company that has already been proven to use all means to discredit those who come out against them? ARe you going to believe a "peer review" journal that is complicate in these coverups? Or are you going to believe 3 doctors/researchers who had made not profit off of the studies and who did the study seperately? ARe you going to believe the parents who have vaccine injured children, or who's children have died form vaccines? Or are you going to believe the government and pharma companies who stand to earn billions off these vaccines yearly? ARe you gong to believe your doctor who follows what the government/pharma and "peer review" tells them? These are choices you have to make. Just remember, you may make the wrong choice and end up with an injured or dead child.

this is going to be my last post, and a long one at that: ***A British study concluded that adults who were vaccinated with measles vaccine as children were at much higher risk of developing inflammatory bowel disease such as Crohn's disease and ulcerative colitis, as adults. But we have no way of validating other long term effects because no safety studies have ever been performed to license a measles vaccine. Physicians Desk reference (PDR); 55th edition (Montvale, NJ: Medical Economics. 2001) p 1884 In 1995 ***The manufacturer has warned that the measles vaccine "has not been evaluated for carcinogenicity or mutagenic potential" and "it’s not known whether (the measles vaccine) can cause fetal harm when administered to a pregnant woman or can affect reproductive capacity. The vaccine strain of the virus is … capable of inducing adverse fetal effects.. Caution should be exercised when ...administered to a nursing woman". Physician’s Desk reference (PDR); 55th edition (Montvale, NJ: Medical Economics. 2001) p 1884 ***Before the 1960's most children contracted common measles in the US. Complications were very rare and usually self-limiting. A vaccine is unnecessary. Measles was already on the Decline. Vaccination had nothing to do with the continued decline in the incidence of measles in the US. From 1958 to 1962, a year before the measles vaccine was introduced, the number of cases had already fallen 38%. More generally, the death rate from measles in United States and Great Britain had fallen by 98% from 1915 to 1958. Alderson, M International Mortality Statistics (Washington, DC Facts on File., 1981) pp. 182-183 ***Epidemics Regularly Occur in Highly Vaccinated Population Large outbreaks often have showed that over 95% were previously vaccinated with measles. The medical literature is replete with evidence of measles vaccine failures. FDA. "FDA workshop to review warnings, use instructions, and precautionary information (on vaccines)." (Rockland, Maryland: FDA, September 18, 1992, p 27. ***"Risk for febrile seizure is increased slightly with MMRV combination vaccine " "Synopsis The measles vaccine is associated with an increased risk of febrile seizure 1 to 2 weeks after administration.... This translates to one additional seizure for every 2,300 doses of combination MMRV given instead of two separate vaccines" Klein NP, Fireman B, Yih WK, et al, JAAPA -- 2010-10- 4 ***Before 1963 (introduction of measles vaccine) infants under one year of age were extremely unlikely to contract measles because their mother had developed life-long immunity from natural measles and conferred antibodies to their infant. By 1992, over 28% of measles cases occurred in infants, when they're most at risk of complications. CDC. Cited in Haney, D.Q. "Wave of infant measles stems from '60's vaccinations." Albuquerque Journal (November 23, 1992), p B3 ***"The state health department has recorded an alarming 13 deaths in the 0-5 age group in the first five months of 2011, the highest in the corresponding period in last three years. The deaths were reported within 24 hours of the children being vaccinated, mostly after an oral polio vaccine was administered...The latest case was reported on May 15 when an infant in Kadapa died a day after she was vaccinated for DPT, polio and Hepatitis B. In all, six children died in different parts of the state between February and May this year after they were given the DPT, OPV and Hepatitis B shots. However, OPV was a fixture in all the 13 deaths, which have occurred so far this year. The official reason for the deaths as per government records: adverse events following immunisation. ... Doctors said that whenever a vaccine is administered, health professionals should have oxygen and anti-anphylaxis drugs within reach for inducing immunologic tolerance to avert complications. "These precautions are hardly taken," says Dr Ranganath." Bushra Bazeeerat, Times of India -- 2011- 6- 2 ***A mouse model for encephalopathy induced by pertussis immunization has been described; it has features that closely resemble some of the severe reactions, including seizures and a shock-like state leading to death, occasionally seen after administration of Bordetella pertussis (whooping cough) vaccine. Pertussis toxin is required for pertussis vaccine encephalopathy, Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. USA Vol. 82, pp. 8733-8736, December 1985. http://www.pnas.org/content/82/24/8733.full.pdf ***As US infants got 5 DPT shots, this translates to a 1 in 62000 risk of permanent brain damage. A hypotonic–hyporesponsive episode (HHE) is the sudden onset of hypotonia, hyporesponsiveness, and pallor or cyanosis that occurs within 48 hours after childhood immunizations. This syndrome has been primarily associated with pertussis-containing vaccines administered to children once every 1750 diphtheria-tetanus-pertussis (DTwP) vaccinations. Hypotonic–Hyporesponsive Episodes Reported to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS), 1996–1998, Pediatrics Vol. 106 No. 4 October 1, 2000, http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/106/4/e52.abstract ***WHO Information on Rates of Collapse after DPT Vaccine www.who.int/vaccines-documents/DocsPDF05/815.pdf The pertussis vaccine component of diphtheria-pertussis- tetanus (DPT) vaccine is associated with convulsions in one of 1750 doses, while severe and permanent neurologic damage has been calculated to occur with one of every 310,000 doses. Collapse(hypotonic-hyporesponsive episode)- 1/1,750 doses. Convulsions(with or without fever)-1/1,750 doses. They also say in this document that persistant, inconsolable crying occured 1 in every 100 doses. This type of crying is indicative of cerebral irritation. This link is a bit strange because on firefox internet server it goes to the information I described but on microsoft internet explorer it goes to an updated page that doesn't contain this information. If this happens to you, go to this WHO document: http://www.who.int/immunization_safety/publications/aefi/en/AEFI_WPRO.pdf The above document also says that persistant inconsolable screaming (cri-encephalique) can occur in up to 1 in 15 doses, seizures in 1 in 1750 doses, collapse in 1 in 1000 doses, anaphylaxis in 1 in every 50,000 doses. ***VACCINATION AGAINST WHOOPING-COUGH: Efficacy versus Risks Calculations based on the mortality of whooping-cough before 1957 predict accurately the subsequent decline and the present low mortality. Notifications of incidence, though variable and incomplete, follow the same pattern of steady decline in the United Kingdom and are unaffected either by small-scale vaccination beginning about 1948 or by nationwide vaccination beginning in 1957. When valid comparisons can be made, attack-rates may be lower and complications fewer invaccinated children, but allowance has to be made for overcrowding and socioeconomic differences which may be more important as determinants of attack-rates. No protection by vaccination is demonstrable in infants. Adverse reactions and neurotoxicity following vaccinations were studied in 160 cases. In 79, the relationship to pertussis vaccine was strong. In 14 of these cases, reaction was transient but characteristic of a syndrome of shock and cerebral disturbance, which, in the other 65 cases, was followed by convulsions, hyperkinesis, and severe mental defect. It seems likely that most adverse reactions are unreported and that many are overlooked. Precise information about the efficacy and safety of this vaccine is lacking, because existing provisions, national an international, for epidemiological surveillance and evaluation are inadequate. The claim by official bodies that the risks of whooping-cough exceed those of vaccination is questionable, at least in the U.K. The Lancet, Volume 309, Issue 8005, 29 January 1977, Pages 234-237. ***Mouse Brains in Vaccines Extract from report of GACVS meeting of 9-10 June 2005, published in the WHO Weekly Epidemiological Record on 15 July 2005. The Committee considered the decision taken by the Government of Japan on 30 May 2005 to suspend routine vaccination with the mouse brain-derived Japanese encephalitis (JE) vaccine currently used in Japan. This decision followed a review by the Japanese national advisory committee on vaccine adverse events of a single case of acute disseminated encephalomyelitis following JE vaccination and the national committee’s conclusion that it could not rule out a causal link with the vaccine. http://www.who.int/vaccine_safety/topics/japanese_encephalitis/mouse_brain_derived/June_2005/en/index.html ***"More than 1,000 people in New Jersey and New York have been sickened with mumps since August. Almost all of those infected with the virus are of the Orthodox or Hasidic Jewish population. The mumps outbreak began at a summer camp for Orthodox Jewish boys in Sullivan County, New York. Health officials have linked the outbreak to an 11-year-old boy at the camp. He had recently returned from the United Kingdom, where a mumps outbreak had spread to 4,000 people. The boy had been fully vaccinated against the mumps, as had 77 percent of the patients in New Jersey. The vaccine is not 100 percent effective, according to the CDC." "Of the 24 patients for whom vaccination status was reported, 20 (83%) had received age-appropriate vaccination with 2 doses, one (4%) had received partial age-appropriate vaccination with 1 dose, and three (13%)were unvaccinated."http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5845a5.htm ***"Inevitably, we began recording breathing patterns of babies after vaccination. The results of these recordings were presented to the 2nd Immunization Conference, held in Canberra, 27~29th May 1991. We demonstrated that microprocessor records of babies' breathing after DPT (Diphtheria, Pertussis, Tetanus) injections reveal a pattern of flare-ups of Stress-Induced Breathing closely following the dynamics of adreno-cortical activity in an individual under stress and as observed by Dr Selye." COT DEATHS LINKED TO VACCINATIONS by Dr Viera Scheibner, Ph.D (Principal Research Scientist, Retired) & Leif Karlsson. 1991 ***Vaccines and Sudden Infant Death Syndrome Reports of severe neurologic damage and death associated with the administration of DTP date back many years. To most physicians during the early years of pertussis vaccine these reported events were probably deemed to be a small price to pay for protection from a disease of high mortality and morbidity. Only as the disease has nearly disappeared in the United States and other developed countries, largely because of the vaccine, have these untoward reactions loomed larger in importance. The occasional untoward events temporally associated with DTP that have been of greatest concern are acute encephalopathy with permanent brain damage and the sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS). http://ajph.aphapublications.org/cgi/reprint/77/8/925.pdf (American Journal of Public Health) ***Michael Belkin Testimony to Congress "SIDS is a diagnosis of exclusion .. "it wasn't this, it wasn't that, everything has been ruled out and we don't know what it was." A swollen brain is not SIDS. Through conversations with other experienced pathologists, I subsequently discovered that brain inflammation is a classic adverse reaction to vaccination (with any vaccine) in the medical literature." ***Special educational needs in boys receiving the Hep B triple series is 9 times greater than in unvaccinated boys. Goodman and Galagher, Toxicol. Environ.Chem. 2008;90:997-1008 ***Boys who receive the Hep B vaccine at less than 1 month old have a 2.94% greater odds for ASD (Atrial septal defect, a form of congenital heart defect that enables blood flow between the left and right atria via the interatrial septum) compared to those vaccinated later or the unvaccinated boys. Goodman and Galagher. J. Toxicol.Environ.Health 2010; 73;1665-1667 ***“The likelihood is huge that many of the materials have a potential to cause injury to the developing brain to produce neurodevelopmental disorders, possibly autism among them.” “A massive toxicological experiment with our children.” Landrigan P. Mnt. Sanai Hospital. Profile page of Dr. Landrigan http://www.mssm.edu/profiles/philip-j-landrigan http://www.mountsinai.org/about-us/newsroom/press-releases/philip-landrigan-md-msc-receives-2010-heart-of-green-%E2%80%9Cprotector%E2%80%9D-award Philip Landrigan, MD, MSc, a world-renowned leader in children’s environmental health, has been recognized by TheDailyGreen.com with the 2010 Heart of Green “Protector” award for his pioneering work in the study of the effects of environmental pollutants on chronic childhood diseases. ***Is polio still a disease seen in the United States? The last cases of naturally occurring paralytic polio in the United States were in 1979, when an outbreak occurred among the Amish in several Midwestern states. From 1980 through 1999, there were 162 confirmed cases of paralytic polio cases reported. Of the 162 cases, eight cases were acquired outside the United States and imported. The last imported case caused by wild poliovirus into the United States was reported in 1993. The remaining 154 cases were vaccine-associated paralytic polio (VAPP) caused by live oral poliovirus vaccine (OPV). http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd-vac/polio/dis-faqs.htm ***This is coming from the MMWR, which is the CDC’s own weekly publication. Here are 2 examples showing that we’ve always known that vaccinated kids can contract measles from the MMR vaccine itself. The first instance is from Illinois in which 17 high school students came down with measles even though 99% of the high school got the MMR vaccine. www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00000359.htm The other example is almost identical. It took place at a Corpus Christi Texas high school where 14 students came down with measles after 99% of the student population had gotten the MMR shot. And that’s from the New England Journal of Medicine. http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM198703263161303 ***"It is unknown whether immunizing adolescents and adults against pertussis will reduce the risk of transmission to infants." Bisgard KM, Pascual FB, Ehresmann KR, et al. Infant pertussis: Who was the source? Pediatr Infect Dis J. 2004;23:985-989.

OH, sorry, I guess I forgot to add one more thing.......according to the package inserts of the chicken pox vaccine (varicella), the vaccinated person is supposed to stay away from other people for at least 6 weeks. So tell me this, how is a 4 year old supposed to stay away from other people? According to the insert pregnant women and infants are in the category that the vaccinated child is to stay away from. What happens if the mother of the vaccinated child is pregnant or if the child has an infant sibling? What happens if the child goes to the store and has contact with others, or touches something in the store that a pregnant women touches after them? Have any of you been given this warning when getting your childs varicella vaccines? Do you know why they are supposed to stay away from others? It is because of shedding. A person who is vaccinated with a live virus, can in fact spread that same virus to others. http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_circulars/v/varivax/varivax_pi.pdf Any vaccine with a live virus, can be shed to others. So you see....it is the vaccinated who are spreading these illnesses in most cases.

latcatin: "Obviously, none of you have a clue about immunology or how the immune system actually works. If you all spent more time getting facts from somewhere besides LDS living and Dr. Mercola, and less time flaming on the LDS National Enquirer, you might have an honest clue about reality. This is really sad." Maybe you should research in other places and stop depending on what you are told by the "peer review" or "credible" sources. The Theory Medical theory is that if your child is exposed to a weakened version of the disease, he will produce antibodies to that disease and become ‘immune’, so that he will never contract the illness. At first glance, this sounds like a solid principle, BUT it only focuses on one small aspect of the immune system, the antibodies, and fails to look at all the other functions responsible for protecting your child’s health. So, how does the immune system work? The immune system is also made up of the skin, mucous membranes in the nose and throat, ears and eyes, nasal hairs, saliva, the spleen, intestines, tonsils, the thymus gland and even the brain. All of these parts work together in a holistic way to bring about a whole body immunity, which is only in part to do with antibodies. • The skin acts as a barrier to prevent bacteria entering the body. It also filters out toxins through fever, which is the purpose of a fever when your child is ill. • The nasal hairs prevent foreign particles from travelling up the nose, and the mucous membranes excrete a substance which is anti-bacterial. • Tonsils help prevent respiratory diseases and illnesses such as Polio, and saliva contains substances which destroy and neutralise microbes. • The spleen and intestines, among other organs, deposit fats and vitamins around the body and protect against viral and bacterial invasion. • The thymus gland produces thymus cells, known as ‘T’ cells, which are antibodies to infection. • There are various glands (nodes) in the body that drain it of toxins and useless material. For instance, the cervical nodes drain the head, neck and chest. • The pituitary gland in the brain directs all of the systems above, so if the brain goes wrong, so does the immune system. It sends electrical impulses to all areas of the body, stimulating cell re-generation and muscle growth. These electrical impulses also stimulate the thymus gland – the centre of immune function. What effect does vaccination have on this immune function? Vaccination – the act of artificially acquiring a disease so as to become immune to it – is flawed in a number of ways. Firstly, a vaccine contains many hazardous chemicals and not just the viruses to immunise against. These each have their own toxic affect on the body. Secondly, the route of entry is different to a naturally occurring disease. Most natural diseases would enter through the mouth or the nasal cavity, not the skin. Vaccination breaks the skin with a needle and injects foreign matter into the blood supply. This bypasses the skin’s role in immune function, as well as the tonsils, the mucous membranes, and so on. Normally, the body produces extra antibodies after being primed by the tonsils that there is impending infection. Therefore, if the infection takes hold, there will be an army of white blood cells, ready to neutralise the infection. In the case of vaccination, this infection goes straight to the blood, with no prior build up for the body, and there are no extra immune cells to deal with it. Also, with vaccination there is more than one disease present (e.g. measles, mumps, rubella all in one), whereas naturally a child would never contract 3 diseases at the same time. This puts additional strain on the immune system. What problems can this cause? Injection of vaccine via this unnatural route can use up 70% of the immune system’s resources, instead of the usual 3 to 4% with a wild occurring disease (according to Cynthia Cournoyer, ‘What About Immunizations?’, Dennis Nelson Publishers, 1991). Because the body has no extra antibodies waiting to counter the vaccine, it can go into overdrive in an attempt to deal with the situation, taking much needed vitamins away from bones and other organs, to use for the production of more antibodies. This means that the other vital systems go short on vitamins, in extreme cases leading to bone fractures caused by the immune response leaching vitamins to cope with the vaccine. This lack of vitamins can also cause bruising and retinal bleeding and haemorrhaging, which is why some vaccine damaged babies have been falsely labelled as ‘shaken baby syndrome’ cases. These type of vaccine injuries are similar to those caused by trauma. The massive surge of antibodies created by the vaccine can also cause the body to become hypersensitive and this is responsible for the increase in allergies and auto-immune diseases. Allergies are an over-exposure to toxic elements which the body is unable to cleanse itself of. If the adrenals, which include the pancreas, the pituitary gland and the spleen, become over-stimulated, for instance, by vaccination, this can cause the body to become toxic and unable to regulate itself. This has been linked to heart disease, diabetes, asthma and bronchitis, to name a few. Over-stimulating the adrenals also causes a decrease in circulation of blood round the body, and atrophying of vascular vessels. It is in this state of dysfunction and chemical overload, from vaccines, pollution, junk food, pharmaceutical drugs and so on, that our bodies become less able to stay healthy. ‘When the body is in its ideal state of harmony, there is no need for "immunity." In such a state of harmony and balance, the thymus functions properly as the central regulator for the proper digestion of elements and all that is taken into the body is digested and excreted.’ – (Stonebridge Associated Colleges, 2005). In the time immediately following vaccination, when extra vitamins are being used up to fight the vaccine, this may actually make the person more susceptible to the disease. For instance, in the Merck, Sharp and Dohme LTD product information for HIB vaccine, it states: ‘Cases of Haemophilus B disease may occur in the weeks after vaccination’, and in Lederle Hibtiter information sheet, ‘Cases of HIB disease, although rare, may occur after vaccination.’ This is known as ‘PROVOCATION disease’, i.e. disease caused by vaccine. Live vaccines are more likely to pass on the disease to their recipient or his close contacts, as the viruses are excreted in urine, faeces and saliva for upto 3 weeks after each shot. The polio vaccine was changed from the live oral vaccine to part of the injectable, killed 5 in 1, because the only cases of polio in western countries were caused by the vaccine. Vaccine caused diseases are often more severe than the naturally occurring disease. For instance, ATYPICAL measles, only got by vaccinated children, is much more serious because the vaccine suppresses the child’s rash, which is his means of excreting the toxins, and this leads to the toxins being pushed deeper into the body and affecting the major organs and sometimes the brain, as atypical measles encephalitis. Vaccine viruses can also attach themselves to cells, organs and brain tissue and cause cancers, disabilities and brain injury, as in the case of a boy who became autistic and had a seizure disorder after his MMR jab at 15 months. Great Ormand Street Children’s Hospital tested him at 13 years of age and found remains of vaccine viruses in the injured parts of his brain. (The Sunday Express, 6 October 2002). Antibodies to brain tissue have also been found in blood tests of autistic children. Disease Mutations Even with inactivated vaccines, it is possible for the killed virus or bacteria to mutate into a different form of the disease. For instance, a 16 year old Canadian girl died of Meningitis B after her boyfriend had been given the Meningitis C vaccine. Lab tests confirmed that the vaccine can mutate into B form and infect both the recipient and his or her close contacts. (Pulse, doctor’s magazine, 20th November 1999). Large numbers of chronic diseases have evolved in the place of infectious disease, since the introduction of mass vaccination, including ME, Lupus, Guillain-Barre Syndrome, Autism (previously known as Kanner Syndrome, discovered by Dr. Kanner in the 1940’s), MS, Ebola virus, AIDS, Lichen Planus, Vulvodynia and other hypersensitivity conditions, not to mention the rife and uncontrollable rates of cancer, heart disease, asthma, eczema and other allergies. Even meningitis was extremely rare before the 20th century. We are killing ourselves in our quest to ‘prevent’ childhood illness, as mother nature is stronger than man, so tampering with immune function can have disastrous consequences for all. Vaccines Cause Immune Suppression Immunostimulation Versus Immunosuppression after Multiple Vaccinations: the Woes of Therapeutic Vaccine Development Three articles in this issue of Clinical Cancer Research show how multiple vaccinations can lead to immunosuppression. Moreover, two studies in patients show that granulocyte macrophage colony-stimulating factor (GM-CSF) as an adjuvant immunostimulant to different kind of vaccines can lead to adverse outcome in terms of relapse-free and overall survival. Modulation of regulatory T-cell activity may be required to overcome this outcome and may be crucial for the successful development of therapeutic vaccines. Source: (Clin Cancer Res 2009;15(22):6745–7) Cancer Patients Injected With Cancer Vaccine Caused 'Early Melanoma Deaths' Ninety-seven patients with resected melanoma (stage II-IV) were enrolled, stratified by stage, and randomized to receive a cellular melanoma vaccine with or without GM-CSF. The primary endpoint was delayed-type hypersensitivity (DTH) response to melanoma cells. Antibody responses, peripheral leukocyte counts, and survival were also examined. Results: The GM-CSF arm showed enhanced antibody responses with an increase in IgM titer against the TA90 antigen and increased TA90 immune complexes. This arm also had diminished antimelanoma cell delayed-type hypersensitivity response. Peripheral blood leukocyte profiles showed increases in eosinophils and basophils with decreased monocytes in the GM-CSF arm. These immune changes were accompanied by an increase in early melanoma deaths and a trend toward worse survival with GM-CSF. Conclusion: These data suggest that GM-CSF is not helpful as an immune adjuvant in this dose and schedule and raise concern that it may be harmful. Based on the discordant findings of an immune endpoint and clinical outcome, the use of such surrogate endpoints in selecting treatments for further evaluation must be done with a great deal of caution. Source: (Clin Cancer Res 2009;15(22):7029–35) Partial CD4 Depletion Reduces Regulatory T Cells Induced by Multiple Vaccinations Results: Multiple vaccinations, rather than boosting the immune response, significantly reduced therapeutic efficacy of adoptive immunotherapy and were associated with an increased frequency and absolute number of CD3+CD4+Foxp3+ T regulatory (Treg) cells. Anti-CD4 administration reduced the absolute number of Treg cells 9-fold. Effector T-cells generated from anti-CD4–treated mice were significantly (P < 0.0001) more therapeutic in adoptive transfer studies than T cells from multiply vaccinated animals with a full complement of CD4+ cells. Conclusion: These results suggest that CD4+ Treg cells limit the efficacy of multiple vaccinations and that timed partial depletion of CD4+ T cells may reduce suppression and “tip-the-balance” in favor of therapeutic antitumor immunity. The recent failure of large phase III cancer vaccine clinical trials, wherein patients received multiple vaccines, underscores the potential clinical relevance of these findings. Source: (Clin Cancer Res 2009;15(22):6881–90) 1 in 5 Americans Suffer From Allergies If springtime breezes bring you sniffles, you can take comfort in the knowledge that you are not alone. For reasons that researchers do not fully understand, allergies to pollen, dust, pet dander and food have become more prevalent among Americans in recent decades. Today, one out of every five Americans suffers from allergies, according to the Asthma and Allergy Foundation of America. “We don't know why the incidence of allergies is on the rise,” said Maya Jerath, M.D., Ph.D., an assistant professor in the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill School of Medicine and director of the UNC Allergy and Immunology Clinic. Nor do researchers understand why an allergy develops in the first place. “That has baffled people and continues to baffle people in this field a lot,” she said. An allergy is an immune reaction to a harmless substance, such as a pollen grain or peanut protein. Instead of ignoring the substance, the body produces antibodies to mount a fight against it. Allergy symptoms can range from itchy eyes and sneezing to life-threatening anaphylactic reactions. The causes of allergies remain elusive in part because the immune system's role is complex, Jerath said. The system must defend the body from countless foreign invaders in food, water and the air around you. Significantly for allergy sufferers, the immune system must also learn to distinguish particles that are dangerous from those that are not. For most people, this learning occurs during early childhood. “If it doesn't get adequate exposure to certain things, those regulatory mechanisms don't get set up,” Jerath said. For that reason, some researchers believe that a lack of exposure to microorganisms early in life may precondition a person to allergies. This explanation, called the “hygiene hypothesis,” suggests that growing up surrounded by many other children, dirt or livestock helps the immune system develop a tolerance to harmless irritants. Source: Physorg.com, by Sara Peach, 24 February 2010.

Thanks for all the great info, Marlene.

How decadent our society has become -- people selling their souls for Big Pharma's lie, that they will save us, if only we will inject into ourselves and our children, their evil, toxic witches brew, complete with dead, murdered baby parts.

Wow, I am so sad for all of you who posted earlier. Upon reading everyone's comments it's hard to tell who is LDS and who is not, who is a Christian and who is not. So disappointed in reading all the angry, frustrated and vile comments left on here. Then I'm going to put my 2 cents in here like everyone else. Our Heavenly Father has seen fit in His infinite wisdom to bless individuals with the knowledge of creating and dispersing these vaccinations. I for one, am very grateful for these vaccinations. I was born with a compromised immune system (think boy in the bubble). I can't tell you how many times I've been in the hospital, or the thousands of antibiotics I've been on. But I can tell you that vaccinations have probably saved my life. Getting your children or even yourself immunized is a very personal decision and should be considered with much prayer, questioning, research, and the help of the Holy Ghost. Unlike most folks, I'm allergic to dang near everything, so when I get my shots, I have to get them in increments. But like I mentioned, I am so grateful for the science and the Creator behind this knowledge. See, when you get a cold and come in contact with me, I don't get a cold, it sends me to the hospital. So needless to say I have become a germaphobe afraid of getting sick, or worse. So the idea of folks being immunized let's me breathe a little easier at times. I'm now on a course of treatment that I might have to be on for the rest of my life, mind you I'm 38. It involves thousands of donors giving up their plasma so I might receive their white blood cells. And yes I had to sign a waiver that I would not sue the drug company if I contracted HIV/AIDS or Hep B or any other blood born pathogen. And the history of the product is not pretty, however it has helped save my life, and the life of countless others. But again, nobody is right, and nobody is wrong if they choose to vaccinate or not, remember, it's a personal decision and should be treated with respect.

While I do empathize with your situation, S-star, you're assuming that vaccinations work (and they don't); you're setting aside the fact that many contain aborted fetal tissue (a huge moral dilemma); you are setting aside the fact that vaccinations are one of the greatest culprits for compromising immune systems in the first place -- and that they are much, much more dangerous than people have been led to believe...documentation referenced above.

As for me and my family, I stand with the First Presidency and medical science in thinking that vaccines are life-saving miraculous remedies that cause us ALL to live longer happier lives.

...excerpt from further up...The issue of aborted fetal tissue in vaccines has surely not been disclosed to the Brethren by the medical “experts” setting vaccine policy for the Church.