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{Lifestyle} Beards: Yes or No for LDS Men?

Ashley Evanson - May 19, 2011

Orson Pratt.
Beards are a tricky topic to discuss within LDS culture. It’s one of those taboo topics like caffeine and R-rated movies. Other than BYU’s Honor Code and the Mormon Tabernacle Choir standards (which aren't Church doctrine), and the rules for missionaries and temple workers, I’m almost positive there’s no official Church statement on whether or not male members can sport facial hair.

Now, whether or not LDS men in leadership positions can have facial hair is another question. Again, I haven’t been able to find any official Church statement saying leaders must be clean shaven, but I’m pretty sure there’s an unofficial rule encouraging it.

The last prophet to have facial hair was George Albert Smith in 1951, and then David O. McKay changed things by being the first clean shaven prophet (with the exception of Joseph Smith), and the standard has remained for every prophet since. Is this an official requirement, or simply, a change in modern dress and grooming standards?

I know that growing facial hair is really trendy right now, especially on the BYU campuses. The official rule is no facial hair is allowed except for neatly-trimmed mustaches that don't extend beyond the corners of the mouth. The exceptions (known by every man on campus) are those with a doctor's note stating they can't shave for medical reasons, and those who are in theatrical productions that require facial hair.

Ruthann, LDS Living’s circulation coordinator, said her brother even helped start a mustache club at BYU. (Do they really think skinny mustaches look good, or are they just growing them because they can?) And why can they, anyway? Why do BYU and the MoTab allow mustaches but not other types of facial hair? If anyone knows, I’d love to be filled in.

I’m interested to know what LDS Living readers think about facial hair. What do you think is appropriate for Church leaders or members in general? What is your personal preference in a man or for yourself? Take our poll and leave a comment below.

What is your personal preference for facial hair?









Do you think it's okay for men in Church leadership positions (Bishopric, Stake Presidency, etc.) to have facial hair?





For the men: What is your facial hair status?






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klcaincsc said...

11:14 AM
on May 19, 2011

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I had a beard when I was baptized 25 years ago and for a few years wore a pony tail. The long hair is gone and the beard is a lot grayer than it was 25 years ago. I've held callings in Primary, both MPH quorums, Sunday School, and stake callings and I'm currently serving as a ward clerk. Except when I visit wards or stakes or temples not "my own", I rarely even get a look regarding my beard, much less a comment.

danhustonii said...

11:19 AM
on May 19, 2011

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I live in Mesa and temple workers cannot have facial hair (at least with the previous temple president). I think that is a good standard.

deb4339 said...

11:25 AM
on May 19, 2011

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My husband had a beard, and several others have beards in our branch in Northern Wisconsin. I think it is perfectly acceptable, as long as they are not scruffy looking.

jeffkt95 said...

11:28 AM
on May 19, 2011

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I have a lot of experience with this topic. Due to my (and more importantly, my wife's) preference, I've had a goatee for much of my adult life. In my experience, local policy is shaped based on the stake president's discretion. As scoutmaster, executive secretary, and seminary teacher, they said nothing to me about it. As young men's president, high councilor, and bishopric member, they asked me to shave. Regarding why I've been asked to shave, "I know not, save that my priesthood leader commanded it".

lemonts said...

11:33 AM
on May 19, 2011

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I have had a well groomed white beard for several years, including when I served in a Bishopric. I recenlty received compliments on my beard from both patrons and workers in the Provo temple. I have seen others with beards serve in bishoprics, including a bishop. I have also lived where stake presidents advised ALL leaders to be clean shaven. I think beards should be OK but like any other aspect of grooming, they need to be well kept.

mormonhippie said...

11:41 AM
on May 19, 2011

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As long as they are respectful and well groomed, I think facial hair should be a matter of personal preference.

seanette said...

11:42 AM
on May 19, 2011

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I don't really care what most men do (as long as any facial hair is kept clean and tidy), but I prefer that my husband shave, since I find a beard or mustache scratchy and prone to trying to get up my nose when I want to kiss him or cuddle. :)

wmc113 said...

11:44 AM
on May 19, 2011

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Some years back in general priesthood meeting President Hinckley stated that all LDS. men or priesthood holders should be clean shaven

bill3510 said...

11:45 AM
on May 19, 2011

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Ok, I have a strong opinion about this issue. I have served in Bishoprics, a seminary teacher, a Stake Executive Secretary and a teacher of many Sunday School classes and I have never been "commanded" to shave off my mustache. When I met my wife 38 years ago, I had a mustache and I have had a mustache the whole time we have been married. Several years ago, I volunteered to work in the temple as a veil worker and I was told that if I wanted to do that assignment, I had to shave off my mustache. Well, it was an easy decision, I did not become a temple worker. I think rules like this are arbitrary and capricious and if you really think about it, if rules like this existed a long time ago most of the early Presidents of the church could not have worked in the temple and the Savior himself could not have served in the temple. I think policies like this should not be subject to whim of a Stake President or Temple President and the Church should come out with a policy that is consistent throughout the whole church and the policy should be facial hair doesn't matter because it has nothing to do with a person's level of spiritualty.

rsdyer said...

11:49 AM
on May 19, 2011

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To know the 'uniform of the Priesthood' look to the brethren. Following the General Authorities example will never led us astray.

sofloridagirl said...

11:51 AM
on May 19, 2011

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amen bill3510! i was just about to say some of the same things! does it really matter? you could have some dude who is completely clean shaven and not living the standards in other areas and that is not okay, but having a beard and living the standards is just fine with me.

scootd28 said...

11:54 AM
on May 19, 2011

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I had a moustache when I was baptized at age 45, and still at age 56 when my wife and I submitted our papers for a mission. We were told by the missionary department that our papers would not be submitted until they had a picture of me without the moustache. I shaved, submitted, and we served honorably. Unlike bill3510 (not criticizing, Bill - just a different opinion), I easily decided that my 40 year old moustache was no match for the opportunity to serve a mission that I missed out on as a young man. I have all the faith in the world that our leaders are inspired in making this call. I also think it's because facial hair tends to make a statement - depending on the type, neatness, etc, and it is almost impossible to draw the line. The only place to draw the line is - no facial hair. Otherwise, it's left up to the interpretation of the indiviual AND the observer who is interpreting the "statement", whether intended or not. Clean shaven is the only way to avoid that.

smile4iluvya said...

11:59 AM
on May 19, 2011

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When I as at BYU-Idaho, I had an American Heritage teacher who said facial hair and long hair on men became unacceptable at church because of the hippie movement and some of the things that growing out one's hair and beard meant, symbolically, as part of that free-love, drug-loving movement. Just a thought to share. My dad kept a neatly trimmed beard and I loved it. He didn't look right without it, and little children loved sticking thier fingers into the thick coarse hair. I think many men can attractively pull off a beard if they keep it neatly trimmed (regardless of length) and cared for. This looks good enough for church and leadership, I think...but then where does one draw the line on what beards are appropriate or not??

conmom56 said...

12:01 PM
on May 19, 2011

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I am a mom of a 16 year old who can grow lots of facial hair. He recently decided to grow what he calls a "chin strap", a thin beard along the jaw line, I think mostly because his brother in law has one. I also think he's proud at that age to be able to grow such. The young men's leader told all the young men that they would be asked not to pass or bless the sacrament if they were not clean shaven. It was obvious who he was talking to since he was the only one who could grow facial hair. My son was upset about it, but was willing to shave if it meant not getting to bless the sacrament. I was a bit miffed about it, because I wondered where this dictate had come from. With my son, we went to "For Strength of Youth", which says that the young men should be "neatly groomed", but mentions nothing about shaving. I approached the YM president about it. He was embarrassed about the whole thing, because it was just his counselor who had come up with the idea without consulting the YM pres. or the Bishop. What was worse is that that particular leader wears a full bushy white beard. It was decided that they would stick with following "For Strength of Youth". Interestingly enough, a few weeks later, my son decided to go clean shaven. I agree that it's not best to have these rules pop up according to someone's whim. I was very bothered by making such a big deal of a beard when we try so hard to keep our children close to the gospel, being chaste, obeying the word of wisdom, etc. Let's recognize the heart and desire of a youth and not dwell on the color of their shirt or some facial hair.

lglong said...

12:02 PM
on May 19, 2011

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When I met my husband over thirty years ago he had a well trimmed mustache and beard. He has served faithfully as an executive secretary, Sunday School President, Young Men's President, member of the high counsel, Elder's quorum President, member of two Bishopbrics and a Bishop. As a Bishop he supported and influenced many young people to make good choices, some to make positive changes in their lives. While he served as Bishop we watched our son complete a honorable mission, our daughter graduate from BYU, another son go through a painful divorce, the loss of a parent, grandparent, and finally, a most loved son. Through this all my husband has remained faithful to the Lord and his family. His beard and mustache has never stopped him from serving with full energy and love. I can not believe that the Lord loves or appreciates him less because he chooses to wear facial hair. Those who look down on men like my husband, feed the type of judgemental attitude that offends people to the point of leaving the church and gives us as Latter-Day Saints an image of intolerance. It truly saddens me.

tybenham said...

12:14 PM
on May 19, 2011

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Obedience I have learned is a virtue and few there be that understand it or are willing to submit to it therefore asking, suggesting, recommending, or inviting one to be clean shaven, keep the commandments, obey the law, keep the sabbath holy brings into perspective a lack of willingness to be humble, teachable, and prepared to gain a deeper understanding of gospel principles when opportunities are provided.

whakamo said...

12:23 PM
on May 19, 2011

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There are official standards/guidelines for Temple Workers, just as there are for Missionaries, that state that men should be clean shaven. Its not just on the whim of the Temple President. I am currently serving as a bishop and prior to that, had facial hair ever since I was able to grow it. I used to justify it when hassled by my older brother, with the same arguements I have read here =) I was not told to shave when called as a Bishop, and even though I personally prefer the look and feel of facial hair, I just felt it was right to be clean shaven. This is the current example set by the Prophet, Apostles and all other General Authorities of the Church. I have personally seen members miss out on Temple service and therefore blessings, because they were not willing to submit to the Temple Worker Standards. Mosiah 3:19 comes to mind. I don't really know the reasons behind being clean shaven, but I do know that what the Lord through his Prophets directs, we should follow. Be it seemingly trivial or not. He will bless us for being submissive and obedient, of this I am sure.

terilynn said...

12:29 PM
on May 19, 2011

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Jesus Christ is always portrayed as having full facial hair.

bjdoc425 said...

12:40 PM
on May 19, 2011

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I studied medicine in the Philippines, and really enjoyed a very well prepared plastic surgeon speaking of pleasant facial features. The classmates considered my profile and suggested a nose reduction, or a chin implant. They normally cannot grow facial hair, and didn't think of just adding hair to the chin. I still keep my facial hair, and left early from my temple assignment in Provo to serve a medical mission in Honduras with my hair. Temple officiators in Sweden maintain their facial hair. I never stop serving the Lord, but still remain unhappy that this should even be an issue in the church. I have been serving for 8 years in various local callings, with no static from the Brethren.

jordancb said...

12:42 PM
on May 19, 2011

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Living in modern times, it is important for the church to market itself well. I’m assuming the beard issue, as far as general leadership is concerned, has to do with creating a certain “brand image” just like the church having a certain logo or font they use. Thus, people who officially represent the church should follow this agreed upon public image. We, as members, have to distinguish between policy and doctrine. Policy changes, but doctrine usually does not. Additionally, if a bishop decides that it would be distracting for Priest to bless the sacrament with mutton chops, it is his prerogative. However, it is no reflection of the young man’s spiritual status. Wouldn’t you agree that it would be inappropriate to pass the sacrament in a BYU t-shirt even if the young man is very spiritual? My personal opinion is that beards are not distracting on local leadership or the youth (I have quite a nice beard myself) but I could definitely conger up a scenario where it could become so. Just to reiterate, beards are an issue of policy and not doctrine. I’d hate to see the church letting us do anything we want as long as we are “spiritual.” There are lines to be drawn. I’m okay with beards though.

ljjl said...

12:45 PM
on May 19, 2011

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It is very likely that Jesus Christ, the disciples, apostles, ancient prophets had facial hair. Many Godly men who have lived during times when we had photographic technology are known to have had beards. Among the LDS "faithful" much of this stuff like facial hair and what we wear to church, etc., etc.....has become an extension of "The Culture" and therefore has become "gospel truth". Just because it is the LDS cultural norm to look or dress a certain way, does not make it "God's PREFERENCE". The Bible tells us that "...man looketh on the outward appearance but the Lord looketh on the heart". Utah is a place where many LDS people have confused their preferences with "Gospel Truth". I have lived all over this country and attended church all over the world. People have attended church while wearing facial hair, blue jeans, pants for women and many variations of clothing. It was what they had, but was clean, neat and modest. The spirit was just as strong in those meetings (sometes

jordancb said...

12:51 PM
on May 19, 2011

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One other thing... I once had a member of the stake high council tell me that I should follow the prophet's example and shave my beard. He just walked up to me after sacrament meeting one day after seeing me in the audience. I was not offended and I still like the guy but I think he doesn't understand the difference between doctrine and policy that I spoke of above. Bless him for it. We need all kinds in our church.

urbanforester said...

12:54 PM
on May 19, 2011

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I think part of the problem with this issue is that you have people who are certain they recall, as in an above comment, President Hinckley stating a clean-shaven standard in General Priesthood meeting. Look it up on LDS.org. The only standard of a clean-shaven appearance stated in a conference talk was for missionaries. But people will make judgement calls because they're sure they've heard that stated before.

dana_e said...

12:59 PM
on May 19, 2011

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My husband has has a full beard for almost all of the 10 years of our marriage. The only exception was when he had an internship at LDS Family Services, and was required to shave. He would also shave if he were asked to in order to hold a specific calling or assignment for the church. We prefer the beard--he has a round face, and it helps slim it visually, and he has a five-o-clock shadow by noon, which is too scratchy for me. The beard is much softer. He always keeps it neat and well-groomed. I do wish it wasn't an issue, since well-maintained facial hair is part of being well-groomed, like brushing one's hair and teeth before leaving the house. Also, people who don't know him for some reason always guess he has a calling in scouts because of the beard, which I find strange.

ljjl said...

01:00 PM
on May 19, 2011

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Additionally, not only was the spirit strong but in some cases stronger than in some of the meetings where everyone seems to be following the "culturally acceptable norm". The Bible tells us that where two or three are gathered in God's name, that his spirit will be there. It's time to review the Book of Mormon story where those without certain clothing weren't allowed to worship. Focusing on the ""acceptable" style of facial hair or clothing was not Jesus' way. When he taught the multitudes, they came from wherever they were. There is no mention of running off to the barber before they were allowed to listen to him. So who are you listening to when you decide that the cultural norm is God's choice?

ftejada said...

01:19 PM
on May 19, 2011

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I think this is the type is teaching (and I don't necessarily mean that it's coming from higher up) that takes us away from the real reason we all are member of the church. When we start paying attention to small things we can forget who we are and why we're here. I remember my dad; he shaved his mustache the morning of his first visit to the temple about 22 years ago; because he was told that he had to do it. I agree with some of the comments here that the spirit is well kept when everyon's in the "same sheet of music" but making it seem as a "set on stone" rule is what really bothers me.

al1801 said...

01:31 PM
on May 19, 2011

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For all of my adult life I have been clean shaven; a majority of that in military (Army) service; beards were a no-no. This suited me as I prefer to be clean shaven. But! Unless it is specific commandment via the First Presidency and for the health an well being of male members and the church in general, no other member has the right or permission to tell another member to be clean shaven under threat of not taking part Church/Temple rites. Having said that, I will concede that missionaries have a strict dress code and if being clean-shaven is part of that code, then so be it. Beard or no beard - it is up to the member (..and his lady :)

bill3510 said...

01:32 PM
on May 19, 2011

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It appears that most of the comments made are on both sides side of the spectrum. For those of you advocating blind "obedience and submissiveness", to lower and local echelon church leaders, I would caution you to remember that blind obedience resulted in the Mountain Meadows Massacre in 1857. I know we are just discussing men wearing facial hair, but the principle of blind obedience can result in a major tragedy.

clc77 said...

01:38 PM
on May 19, 2011

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I totally agree with bill3510, ljjl and others who state that it should not matter. I have always been confused by this subject and that it is even an issue. Women come to church with all kinds of hair styles and lengths...and I don't find that distracting. I feel if a man wants to have facial hair, or even long hair...it has nothing to do with the purpose of why we are in the gospel. As mentioned already, the majority of the images of Christ depict Him and the Father with longer hair and a beard/mustache. I see no sin or wrongdoing for a man to have the option to do the same (BTW, I am a woman). I have never understood the reasoning behind this in the least...including on the BYU campus. Hair is just hair...it has nothing to do with someone's spirit. Also as mentioned...I've known many a man who was clean-shaven, but whose spirit was dark. Being clean shaven is NO indicator of faithfulness. I really, REALLY wish it wasn't such a big deal in our church how much hair a man has.

nannafromkansas said...

01:42 PM
on May 19, 2011

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I think that it is their own business and choice and no one should dictate this to the men. However, I do think that the facial hair should be neat and well groomed. As a cancer survivor who had to spend the last year bald and now with hair that looks like a "manly" haircut, I resist any social or religious compunction to force anyone to adhere to a certain appearance based solely on gender. I can only imagine the outcry from females if the church came out and said that all women had to have hair to their waist and wear dresses to their ankles. And really, aren't there much weightier and more important aspects of the faith to focus upon.

actiontink said...

01:51 PM
on May 19, 2011

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One reason I've heard given for bishops, stake presidents and YM leaders to shave is that they are working closely with the boys to prepare them for missionary service which involves living all of the rules including being clean cut and clean shaven. It could seem hypocritical for leaders to tell the boys they have to do something the leaders themselves are not doing. As for the youth I think it is best if they are already living missionary standards as much as possible prior to submitting their papers. It might make the adjustment to missionary life a little easier. I think if someone chooses facial hair over temple work, a calling, priesthood service, etc. then maybe their heart isn't in the right place. And really, they are only hurting themselves in the missed opportunities and lost blessings. What it really boils down to for me is an attitude of humility, obedience, love and respect. When we attend our church meetings, the temple, serve in the priesthood, fulfill our callings, etc. it is not about us. We should go to church well-groomed and well-dressed out of love and respect for our Heavenly Father (and our leaders), not because we are unwillingly submitting to some set of rules. If we feel rebellious and chaffed by the rules, perhaps it is us and not the rules that need changing.

nannafromkansas said...

01:52 PM
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I meant compulsion not compunction.

rags said...

02:07 PM
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I use to grow a beard 6 months a year. Then I was called to be an assistant to the High Priest Group Leader. I had about a week's growth at the time, and the Stake President asked how fond I was of the facial hair. We discussed the issue, and he told my wife and I that a General Authority at the time of our Stake Conference had made the statement, "Gentlemen, there is entirely too much facial hair in this Stake." So the Stake President decided that any male called to be in a leadership position should be clean shaven. The way I look at it, is it doesn't much matter who says it, or how it is interpreted, if a leader directs you to do something that is not against the teachings of the Gospel, then you should do it. It all boils down to this, when you go in for a temple recommend, can you truthfully say you sustain you local leaders?

ccbigdad said...

02:09 PM
on May 19, 2011

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If everyone really followed the "No facial hair" policy, that will make it easier, in the Celestial Kingdom, to recognize the Savior - He'll be the one with the beard.

artvandalay said...

02:15 PM
on May 19, 2011

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"If the prophet speaks, the thinking has been done." President Hinckley said that all priesthood worthy men should be clean shaven. That is what modern revelation is for. It is like when Bednar shared the story of the boy dating the girl with two earrings in her ear. She was openly defying the prophet and shouldn't be dated.

ldsmom said...

02:42 PM
on May 19, 2011

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Following is an exerpt from an article by Dallin H. Oaks. "There is nothing inherently wrong about long hair or beards, any more than there is anything inherently wrong with possessing an empty liquor bottle. But a person with a beard or an empty liquor bottle is susceptible of being misunderstood. Either of these articles may reduce a person’s effectiveness and promote misunderstanding because of what people may reasonably conclude when they view them in proximity to what these articles stand for in our society today." (Dallin H. Oaks, New Era Dec. 1971)

reverand said...

03:02 PM
on May 19, 2011

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I have worn a beard and minimum of a goatee since I was 17. Now 15 years later, if I shave it off, for any reason, people honestly don't recognize me. However, I have always kept my facial hair neatly trimmed and professional looking. While I will say that I agree, that if the Living Prophet says, it should then be so, however I am also of the mind that a neatly kept beard shouldn't be anything to worry about. Also, if I am giving a lesson in Elder's Chorum, if the men are more concerned with the beard on my face than the lesson, there's already a bigger problem... However, that's just my two cents! :)

arlundee said...

03:18 PM
on May 19, 2011

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Although I personally see no problem with facial hair, I've been in wards/stakes where facial hair was taboo, and I've been in others with Bishops and Stake leaders with facial hair themselves. I think it strongly depends on the leadership of the area you're in to be perfectly honest. But like most everything else, so long as you keep it clean, neatly trimmed (so its not a distraction away from what's truly important) I think its a personal preference. Now where Missionaries are concerned, well, lets put it to you this way. The military does not allow soldiers to have facial hair while in uniform. Its more or less a matter of uniform, so that an individual doesn't pull more attraction/attention to themselves than is needed for their duties to be fulfilled. :) Those be my two cents. :)

lecriveur said...

03:18 PM
on May 19, 2011

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Ever since returning from my mission (1993) I've had at least a goatee and occasionally a beard (for a number of reasons). For nearly as long, I've had a ponytail too. Recently, I announced to my ward that I would shave my head in conjunction with some fundraising efforts. I was surprised by how many people (women and clean-shaved men) told me in all sincerity, "But I love your ponytail."

mike1947 said...

04:24 PM
on May 19, 2011

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The thing I find ironic is that as we attend the temple Christ and Heavenly Father have facial hair, most of the past prophets have facial hair, most of the Saints in history have facial hair....I understand obedience but I have heard no good reason for this injunction in the Temple or elsewhere, other than someone saying I said it or it's policy. Please give me a doctrinal reason for the request. Paul told congregations to study on what he said, help us study.

bill3510 said...

04:45 PM
on May 19, 2011

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Well said mike1947, i agree

fraudavenger said...

04:54 PM
on May 19, 2011

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The ability/propensity to grow facial hair is given to us by God, as are many of our abilities and inclinations. However, inside of our physical bodies, we are spiritual beings and what we do with our bodies reflects the state of our spirits, which are expected to rule our bodies, not the other way around. The natural man is an enemy to God. Like the clothes we wear, certain things are appropriate at certain times and places. If our leaders say that being clean-shaven, or wearing modest clothes, or otherwise being neatly dressed and groomed, is what is appropriate in certain situations (e.g., temple workers, or missionaries, or BYU students, etc.) then disregard of those specified requirements reflects a spiritual attitude of disrespect for and defiance of those leaders and their authority. And why would anyone committed to the gospel intentionally choose to manifest such an attitude?

marci said...

05:34 PM
on May 19, 2011

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My politics are not my religion, my opinions on women working outside the home are not my religion, my style of dress is not my religion, and my preference for my husband to wear a mustache is not my religion. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is my religion and as such, it takes precedence over every other interest in my life besides my family. Other things are and always will be less important to me. This is a choice I have made and I acknowledge that every other man and woman in the world have the right to make their own choice.

in_the_gutter said...

05:56 PM
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1 Samuel 16:7 "for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart" Matt 23:27-28 "Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!"

bgtaylor4 said...

06:28 PM
on May 19, 2011

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Reading through the comments I'd like to add that, like other things one might be asked to do by their leaders who are called of God to lead them, which would include priesthood leaders, women leaders, parents, and others, it is upon us to obey and to be blessed for doing so. If it isn't God's will, something will change (which would include one's commentary/appeal to other leaders for redress). And if it doesn't matter to God, then you are simply blessed for following. This covers missionary standards (which are intended as a blueprint for life), BYU standards (whose code, which every BYU student gives their word to uphold, includes following those standards ALL YOUR LIFE as a BYU grad representing the school), temple worker standards and such. And yes, one need only to look to the prophet, apostles and other general authorities for the standard of what to do. That we are even discussing this is indicative that we already know that. And pleeeassse, no one NEEDS facial hair for any of the reasons stated above in people's comments. If you want and like it better, if it meets appropriately with your judgement before God, and if no one in authority is requesting you do otherwise, just grow it. But don't parse about your face is round or your lips aren't right or you're covering scars... excuses. And last, don't say Jesus had a beard or you're following the Savior... insults what Thomas S Monson is doing... and Christ wore a robe... different time.

laverll said...

07:16 PM
on May 19, 2011

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I've had a goatee for most of my adult life because that is what my wife prefers. In the short history of our church, styles have come and gone. Obviously in recent generations, the clean shaven missionary standard is and has been great for the churches public image during a hippy counter culture. Not to digress, but I've had similar conversations with my wife about the shaving/shaping of womens public hair. Does the church frown upon Brazilian waxes? Is it a non issue because it is something more private? If so, then it would seem that the reason behind pseudo standards for men's facial hair is to maintain a 'boy scout' public image for these recent generations to counter act the counter-culture that has emerged.

davide. said...

07:26 PM
on May 19, 2011

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...looketh upon the heart. ya i like that one because the Spirit hath born witness of it. Also what they all said ha ha

inspector_d said...

07:40 PM
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laverll - judge not ....

wmguymon said...

07:47 PM
on May 19, 2011

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I've had a goatee more than once. Not for long though. Wife doesn't like kissing a scruffy husband and they itch anyway.

inspector_d said...

07:49 PM
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Sorry laverll, my comment was directed to bgtaylor4

rickchappell said...

08:26 PM
on May 19, 2011

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I love this conversation - I love to see how strongly culture becomes "gospel." Those who feel that it's ambiguous and the Church should have a standard need to realize - it does. The fact that there is no requirement other than specific positions - missionaries, for example, is the policy. The policy, and gospel principle is that it is not an issue. Many times well meaning leaders take it upon themselves to create "gospel" rules out of ignorance. I served in the miitary for years, and I always noticed how many people quoted "regs." Most of the time the regs didn't exist or they were misquoting - just like the Pres Hinkley "quote". Most people just do whatever they're told and do not seek out their own witness. Growing up, our stake used to have beard growing contests for Pioneer Day. The Dallen Oakes wuote was perfect - did you notice the date? As previously commented, the culture of short hair and no facial hair came about as a response to the "hippy" movement - late 60's and 70's. Culturally that changed - anyone remember the public spokemen of the Church - the Osmonds? Check out their hair. Today, facial and longer hair don't represent the same thing it did in 1971. Today that guidance might be wearing baggy clothes - which would have been ok in the past because it was common for people to wear more hand-me-downs. Today it represents a pretty negative part of society. As the Church grows in the middle east, I'm going to watch. Culturally there facial hair is much more common. The point is, that culture changes, bith good and bad, and we shoud understand it, study the Gospel and listen to the Spirit so we know what the Gospel is. And with that, turn our criticism inward and our love outward.

rickchappell said...

08:35 PM
on May 19, 2011

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Although I guess, the General Authorities wear dark suits, so wearing a light grey suit would be grounds for release from leadership callings...well, now, that's one way to get some more free time... OK- just kidding, relax...

davyboy1974 said...

09:07 PM
on May 19, 2011

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god never said we had to be clean shaven so its simple no one eles should tell us we cant have a beard. but u should make it look good just like when u dress i dont put on dirty pants to go 2 church and ido trim my beard. the best thing is to keep ur mouth shut nobody tells u how to put ur makeup on do theybesides if u are agenst facial hair u most likely make jesus sick im just saying.

littlemountain said...

09:08 PM
on May 19, 2011

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I am on a YSA Stake High Council and have a beard and long hair, and growing, as I applied to be an 'extra' in the Church film production of the New Testament and they ask us to do so; man do I get looks when walking down the hall at Church and especially when I give a talk. Folks are accepting however.....

ghuber said...

09:27 PM
on May 19, 2011

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I am the reason facial hair is a no-no at the Arizona temple. My wife and I were waiting for a session to start and the officiator had yet to select a witness couple. We were the only people in the room but he was obviously avoiding me. When a second couple entered the room he almost wet himself getting to them to be the witness couple. That night, I asked my father, who was a temple worker, if there were any official prohibition against selecting a brother with a beard for the witness. He had never heard of one but did some research. In the meantime I asked my bishop and stake president.Nobody could find any official anything about facial hair. Soon, as a result of my fathers inquiries, We were called in to have a discussion with the temple president about my concerns. By the end of the interview we had been called to be temple ordinance workers, beard and all. These were some of the most precious memories I have. Sunrise in the celestial room is an awe inspiring sight. While we were there, we never heard complaints, but soon after we were released a letter came out from SLC with 'suggestions' of what bearded men can't do. Unfortunate misuse of position. There is no doctrinal reason for the implementation of a grooming code, even in the temple. It is divisive and not in keeping with the purpose of that spiritual place. If I am worthy and can pass the interview, I should be worthy to do anything in the temple. I think the same is true of leaders. A well trimmed beard is truly a wonder. My beard is long and white and I make a wonderful Santa. HO! HO! HO!

rob67 said...

09:41 PM
on May 19, 2011

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I was born and raised in the church in California. I never remember an active adult male member with any facial hair. We had many family members in Utah and were always amazed that many of the Brethren had facial hair and the Aaronic Priesthood boys would wear shirts while passing the Sacrament in various colors. I remember going to a Youth Conference and we were told to follow the example of our Prophet and other church leaders by being clean shaven, keep our hair short and wear and white shirt and tie to Church. If someone told me that I could not be a temple worker because of facial hair or a pony tail, they would be gone the next day. I believe that a Temple President has the authority and/or inspiration to counsel workers in the temple where he presides how he would like them to groom before entering the Temple. My three sons all are clean shaven and have very short hair. Two are commercial pilots and most of these guys like short hair and my youngest son is a medical doctor and he just likes having short hair like his brothers and dad. When I had my final interview with my mission president, he said that he wanted me to go home and live a "Mission Lifestyle". He said to keep my hair short and trimmed and don't grow any facial hair. I have followed his advice since the day he told me that, 46 years ago!

handyman said...

10:32 PM
on May 19, 2011

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Honestly clean shaven or wearing a beard is not Doctrine, and not listed as revelation in D&C as revelation like the Words of Wisdom. This is pure and simple. It is a point of prejudice toward a fashion statement. I consider those wearing facial hair worthy if they are living the gospel worthily. Such as those like Christ himself as portrayed in the church pictures or Peter, Paul, etc... The Godhead is concerned with the spiritual cleanliness of the brethren, and not his facial feature. If facial was such a concern to the Lord. Then those born with hairlips or other facial deformations would be deemed unworthy of the Lord. Toward which we all can agree that would not be righteous to deny such. When we speak of cleanliness is next to Godliness it's in spiritual context. Else Christ after 40 days in the desert would not be so clean. That is also why he spent much time with the sick and the lepers to which the Pharisees so avoided because of not being clean. I love our Presidents of the Church, but sometimes they let their personal views interfere with revelation IMO.

asl458 said...

10:33 PM
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I have worn a neatly trimmed beard in some form or another for about 20 years. During that time, I have held various leadership callings, and have heard some church members state their belief that leaders should be clean shaven (not necessarily directed at me). I respect these beliefs as opinions, as I have never come across any church policy on this, other than for missionaries, etc. I currently serve in a YSA bishopric. When I received that call, I wondered if my beard would be an issue, and was prepared to shave it if asked by one of my priesthood leaders. Neither the stake president or the bishop I serve with said anything about it. Nevertheless, being conscious of the opinions of some, I thought it best to research and to "study it out in [my] mind", to determine the best course of action. My beard stayed, and my wife prefers it that way. A new stake presidency has also not had an issue with it. I did hear that one member of the high council brought up the general topic of beards and leadership callings in a meeting, but that the consensus was to focus on things that really matter.

rob67 said...

11:35 PM
on May 19, 2011

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Attn: Handyman You said that being clean shaven, "is a point of prejudice toward a fashion statement". I have a question. Did you go on a mission? If so, how did you deal with those above you in leadership positions telling you your hair or sideburns are too long for Mission Standards? Why do General Authorities visit missions and suggest a missionary cut his hair ASAP? It seems like such a simple matter to simply follow the example of our First Presidency, Quorum Of The Twelve and the quorums of the Seventy for an example....no facial hair or pony tails!! (Review their pictures on pages 72-73 of the May Ensign). We are told that, "every member a missionary", which I would assume we should dress and groom like our full-time missionaries....at least I was told that when I was released from my mission, by both my Mission President and Stake President. Just a thought......

bjdoc425 said...

12:05 AM
on May 20, 2011

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One comment about wearing a dark suit, to look like a missionary or a general authority, only reminds me of meeting President McKaY, always dressed in a light tan suit, and sporting long lovely hair, far longer than missionary style shingled hair.

handyman said...

01:35 AM
on May 20, 2011

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@rob67 Never served a mission rob67. I'm a convert. However I stay clean shaven as it was asked. However it is still a conjure of prejudicial bias wanting to look like the all-American boy image. Like I said there is no Doctrine or Covenant or Revelation in the 4 Standard Works to indicate otherwise. Jesus himself as did his disciples did missionary work. Did that deter converts? Don't think so. I distinctly remember reading other Presidents of the church on missionary service and many others serving mission with beards. You can look it up it's online. Fact is you avoided the point. It is the spirit of a man as judge of worthiness and not facial hair. I known quite of clean shaven PH holders who go serve in calling, but are not clean shaven so to speak. Get the point. If a the missionaries had come up to me with a beard or a mustache etc... it would not have matter how long the beard was. It is the spirit that transfers into missionary to myself. If you greet me clean looking, but with an sully look I would have been dissuaded more than the fellow with the mustache grinning. If you are being persuaded by looks then the joining of the church is under false pretense.

bspegasus said...

06:04 AM
on May 20, 2011

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I corinthian 13:8 Wherefore, if meat amake my brother to boffend, I will ceat no flesh while the world standeth, lest I make my brother to offend

atlantaman said...

06:17 AM
on May 20, 2011

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When in doubt I say we look at the leadership of the church. Does God have a beard - Yes Does Christ have a beard - Yes Enough said.

bspegasus said...

06:25 AM
on May 20, 2011

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Post script: But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, [a peculiar people]; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light 1 Peter 2:9

jordancb said...

08:21 AM
on May 20, 2011

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For those of you using the "Christ had beard" argument I ask, how do you know? Popular dipictions of Christ have Him wearing a beard but they also show him as a tall, white, handsome man which he was not. Scripturally, we know that He was an average looking (possibly unattractive) middle-eastern jew. I doubt our depictions of Him look anything like He really looked. I personally think he did have a beard but this part of the conversation is completely off topic. There is no quote from any general authority demanding that the general membership be clean shaven. People who officially represent the church are told to be clean shaven for public relations purposes, not for spiritual purposes. Beards are fine for the general membership to wear. Period. Done. :)

baxdrum said...

08:30 AM
on May 20, 2011

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Is it doctrine or opinion? I believe the term is unrighteous dominion. Forcing one's opinions or unfounded beliefs on another person is wrong. If an apostle said they would only drive a Dodge, would the entire Church membership run out and purchase a Dodge? In these latter days, we really need to be careful about doctrine vs. opinion. Opinion can impact testimonies.

samsauntie said...

08:43 AM
on May 20, 2011

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I find the use of "Mo-Tab" and "Mo-Lebrities" much more offensive than the issue of facial hair.

cz4real said...

08:46 AM
on May 20, 2011

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I agree with baxgrum...I'm a convert of MANY years. I feel that wheather or not one has facial hair, or any other PERSONAL choice, is completely THEIR business. As long as a person is respectful, neat, and clean it doesn't matter. If a leader has a request then it's a different matter as we humbly summit.

cz4real said...

08:48 AM
on May 20, 2011

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Sorry about that baxDrum!

nannafromkansas said...

10:06 AM
on May 20, 2011

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samsauntie - What does Mo-Tab and Mo-Librities mean? Just curious cause I have never heard the term.

bill3510 said...

11:01 AM
on May 20, 2011

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Handyman, Rob67 is a perfect example of a person who has adopted the concept of blind obedience and submission in his life. As I indicated in an earlier post, blind obedience to lower echelon local church leaders can have very dangerous consequences. I have chosen not to be a robot and walk in lock step. If a general authority wishes to wear a white shirt on Sunday and be clean shaven that is his preference. If I choose to wear a mustache and a blue shirt on Sunday that is my preference. After all, isn't the Savior on judgment day going to look at what is in my heart and not what clothing I am wearing or facial hair I have.

anonymous138 said...

12:13 PM
on May 20, 2011

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I think that the number one problem in the church is that we spend WAY too much time obsessing about facial hair and tankinis and diet coke while completely ignoring the Savior and His teachings. Facial hair does not matter. Following Jesus Christ does. I think that spending too much time trying to "look" like a priesthood holder or proper Mormon woman or whatever else can become a form of idol worship if we are not careful.

babyblues said...

12:35 PM
on May 20, 2011

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@bill3510 -- you're right on!

crjprof said...

02:49 PM
on May 20, 2011

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Can we all say, "Mormon Taliban?" While we should not rely on the Lord for all instruction to guide us in every aspect of our lives (our enemy, and Satan, calls that the "Hadith"), we are blessed with both Free and Moral Agency. Hopefully, your moral compass is working well enough, and not pointing off-north due to any particular "magnetic deviation," to be able to form a substantive opinion on this topic without seeking council... I do not expect the Brethren to gaze down upon us from the pulpit anytime soon and instruct all the men on their tonsorial preferences based solely on current cultural likes or dislikes (most likely originating out of the cultural "norms" of a city south of SLC...). LOL When I joined the Church, coming from the Catholic faith, I was told by a well-meaning LDS member that beards and the like were symbols of rebellion and should be avoided (I had neither). I was told we were to look to the Brethren for our manner of dress, speech, etc. After my mission, I was one of those returned missionaries that felt compelled by some hidden cultural "push" to wear a shirt and tie occasionally to classes at BYU... If we should not adopt a look that would cause disdain or scorn for the Church, or suggest we are less than virtuous (everyone knows that "bikers all have beards" right?), we would not condone mustaches at all anymore, since that was a "must-grow" to rubbing elbows with certain of the Muslim leaders in Iraq after our arrial there; the "Saddam 'stache" being a pre-req to being accepted by those leaders, tribal and otherwise, particularly in the outlying areas(they regarded a shone face on a male with suspicion). Knowing that then, who would want to wear a mustache in America if that was one of the things our jihadi terrorist enemies adopted as an outward display of their dedication to their Sunni/Shia faiths? ...and no need to go into the spiritual qualities of a beard such as the Taliban might adopt in an attempt to mimic their prophet's tonsorial prescriptions. Hmmmnnn... Speaking to stern pronouncements from the pulpit, I also do not expect to see direction as to whether my wife must give up her open-toed shoes, *always* wear leggings, long socks or nylons, not get manicures (or pedicures), and never be seen in a t-shirt ("Oh! The immodesty..."), or dresses that do not extend all the way down to her ankles (though they modestly cover her knees now...). For that matter, should we cover the question of whether it is modest for a woman to wear anything *but* a full-lenth dress, worthy of Brigham's day, when seen in public? Not sure Emma would have worn hip-hugging jeans... ROFL I prefer to teach others correct principles and let them govern themselves... My mote, another's beam... LOL

daijejjai said...

03:39 PM
on May 20, 2011

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I have rocked a goatee since my Mission and started shaving my head a few years back... Quite happy with my looks and so are some of the ladies! If this were a important issue we would have commandments and extensive laws regarding it... One specific Hair style, one specific outfit, one specific diet... But we don't!  If it bothers you I'm pretty sure there is something far more important you could focus on. 

reali said...

04:48 PM
on May 20, 2011

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It is really not about hair at all. It is about obsequence and are you willing to sustain the priethood that makes the request.

handyman said...

07:54 PM
on May 20, 2011

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@bill3510 I kind of got that impression on rob67, but if it helps him or others to fit that mold to edify themselves so be it. They just should not judge and command. I prefer to be asked not commanded. BTW I stay clean shaven not because of church , but the "Mrs." at home refuses to kiss the scruffiness.

suzebelle said...

08:48 PM
on May 20, 2011

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Why the debate? Jesus himself had a beard. Mormon's portray Heavenly Father with a beard. Isn't what is INSIDE a man more important than what is on the outside?

wolfman said...

10:48 PM
on May 20, 2011

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Folks, sometimes we choke on a gnat and swallow a camel. This topic is one of those cases. I've had a neatly trimmed moustache or beard almost all my life. The only exceptions? The two years I was on my mission and the time I spent doing military training. I've served in Bishoprics, Branch Presidencies, Elder's Quorums, four years early morning seminary teacher and lots of other callings -- all with facial hair. No problems. I had a chance to serve as a tour guide at a temple open house in my area and was told I had to be clean shaven. I would have gladly shaved for that but the slots were all filled by the time I submitted my name to serve. My wife prefers me with a neatly trimmed beard and that's the way I keep it. Bottom line, folks, life's too short. Let's focus on more important things.

plr said...

10:18 AM
on May 21, 2011

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I don't usually take the time to read through people's comments after an article but I was intrigued by this and affected enough by what I read to leave a comment. There seems to be much contention on, what I deem, such a small issue. It makes my heart sad as it gives me cause to wonder if we, as a church, can ever truly have the humility and charity it will take to be a Zion people? Our attitudes (mine included, though not on this issue) can be so easily provoked that we seem to allow ourselves to to believe our "cause" is just. I have to worry about this. Is this "cause" worth speaking ill of our Priesthood leaders? Is any? I have always been taught that thinking or speaking ill of our Priesthood leaders can cause us to walk a path that can lead to the beginnings of apostasy. None of our leaders are perfect and none of us are perfect but the doctrines of the gospel of Jesus Christ are and always will be. I hope the next time I feel like my "cause" is just, I can remember how I felt reading these comments (by seemingly worthy members of The Church), be able to take a deep breath and make a humble and Christ-like decision. I may be a simple-minded person from the middle of nowhere (our Stake boundaries are about the size of Vermont) but I would love to be a part of a Zion society one day. I hope we all make it there together.

standfan said...

11:37 AM
on May 21, 2011

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Know this that every soul is free. To choose his life and what He'll be. For this eternal truth is givin. That God will force na man to Heaven. He'll call persuade direct aright. And bless with wisdom love and light. In nameless way's be good and kind. But never force the human mind.

yoda74 said...

01:49 PM
on May 22, 2011

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I tend to reflect on the Lord's counsel to Samuel about not judging a person's outward appearance but what is in his heart (1 Sam 16:17). Having a beard does not defile ones body. God gave men beards... it's natural. Many great and honorable men have sported them. I have a dream that one day LDS brethren will be judged by the content of their character rather than the length of their facial hair. :)

smile4iluvya said...

09:59 PM
on May 22, 2011

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Unfortunately, assumptions and judgements are too easily made, and ever since hippies made beards a symbol of rebellion against traditional values (a result of which was BYU's then the church's policies regarding facial hair), good men can't wear beards without someone thinking less of them. Though I find beards attractive on men, the church has made policies and we will obey them. I think that there will be a time again when beards will lose their stygma, and the policy will be removed.

crunchem said...

08:36 AM
on May 23, 2011

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Really, tge Jesus had a beard thing is weak. So I guess I should show up in a robe and sandals without bathing for a week and offer to bless the sacrament and see everyone's cool with that. Can we move on to why some of the younger adult sisters insist on showing cleavage, wearing flip-flops and scratching their husbands back like a monkey through the whole sacrament? Geesh, I witnessed a whole visiting family once where all the siblings rubbed each others backs and necks the whole meeting. Get a room!

maikij said...

11:43 PM
on May 23, 2011

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Seriously, you were upset because people were stroking backs? I guess you're against any kind of displays of affection. As for the beard thing, its ridiculous. I would hate it if some mandate came out telling sisters how to wear their hair so I don't understand what the big deal is about facial hair. Do the men all have to look like clones of each other?

missingkey said...

11:51 AM
on May 24, 2011

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PLR and smile4iluvya, crunchem, you all rock, and I enjoyed everyone's thoughts. * For me, I know freedom is prerequisite, but since obedience is the first 'law' of heaven, I go willingly in trying to follow the current prophet knowing his lead, tops my own. I keep in mind that freedom is preserved by obedience,..also, it can be used to lose it, and it is not unconditional. * I personally have a true testimony of the prophet not leading us astray, and his wisdom as the mouthpiece of the Lord is both fine, not to mention, refining. * This being said, the Lord, whom we assume is still bearing a beard, for some reason has approved of this policy, so why dicker over it in my mind? But I do find myself wondering about it because my husband wears a beard for personal reasons, and I love it, despite the fact that my family at one or two times expressed a bit of a judgemental view of it, saying that it was "in the handbook, no facial hair for the bishopric" (a family member's spouse was a bishop. Now I realize that it may have been a stake policy...?). * But here's the bottom line, he was asked by someone whether or not he'd shave his beloved beard should he be asked to for a calliing, and he said "yes", without a beat, which thrilled me, because, no matter how thrilling his facial hair may be, his obedience thrills me more, and I told him how happy it made me to know he would follow his leaders, as we know they will not abuse their authority, and should they trip up, it would be appropriately resolved. *One day he came home a said his employer wanted him to shave his heard to be able to wear a ventillation mask, so it would safely seal against his skin. Painfully, he did, both smiling and with clown tears (wink), and when his teen-aged saw him, she dropped to the floor rolling over laughing, holloring, "Dad has a CHIN..!"..after laughing it was an effort to stand up again. * His magnificent beard has been very useful as a shepherd in the live stable scene at the Wash DC Temple grounds a number of years...he was the most realistic-looking one there (smile,smile,smile...).. * "To every thing there is a season, and time to every purpose under the heaven..."

ict said...

06:30 PM
on May 24, 2011

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I agree wholeheartedly with actiontink's comments Re setting the example for our fellow members especially our youth.Our grooming and dress standards are an outward expression of our inner commitment to follow the councel and direction of our prophet and other priesthood leaders. Obedience is the first law in heaven. I have a personal testimony of the truthfulness of the gospel a blessing to be ever grateful for, I KNOW we are led by a prophet of God and do my best {allbeit very imperfectly} to follow the councel not just the commands [D+C 58:26] from my priesthood leaders at all levels and trust in the promise from the Lord that he will not allow us to be led astray. This is not blind obedience to do anything else would diminish the value of the testimony I have been blessed with. It matters not if the council given is in regard to facial hair,white shirts,low cut tops,how many earings one should have if we murmer we tread dangerous ground. If we receive councel and direction from our leaders at what ever level they serve [how ever imperfectly] our lives will be blessed and may we in our hearts truly be able to follow the example of our saviour and say not my will but thine be done.

tmesteem said...

08:01 PM
on May 24, 2011

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Brigham Young and many other Prophets had facial hair. My great grandfather was a temple president, stake president and held many leadership calling in the Church; he had facial hair. I really don't believe the church has made a statement or a standing on facial hair. Nor do I think they should. Facial hair does not make or break a man. If a group, school, or organization wants a "dress code" as with the Mormon Tabernacle Choir, BYU, etc. that is their privilege. It is neither Church policy nor its doctrine. So, until the Prophet tells me that the Church has said that facial hair is not in keeping with Church policy, I will embrace facial hair. Call me a Rebel, but if a Bishop or Stake President said that my husband could not have facial hair and hold a calling, I would question his authority. I follow the Prophet.

canoelover said...

09:03 PM
on May 24, 2011

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Why are we having this conversation? I don't get it. Let's get back to talking about pure religion, love and tolerance, rather than speculating what a general authority said at a Stake Conference in Tooele in 1975. You want a beard? Grow one. You want to shave? Shave. As a High Council member who doesn't wear white shirts (I HATE white shirts), no one has ever pulled me aside and insinuated that I'm less righteous because of the color of my shirts. Let's all get lives, okay? Sheesh.

sunflowers said...

09:09 AM
on May 25, 2011

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First Presidency Message On My Honor By President Spencer W. Kimball Ensign April 1979 Just a quote here, but read the entire talk. "Please, you returned missionaries and all young men who can understand my concern in this matter, please do not abandon in appearance or principle or habit the great experiences of the mission field when you were like Alma and the sons of Mosiah, and where you were as the very angels of God to the people you met and taught and baptized. We do not expect you to wear a tie, white shirt, and a dark blue suit every day now that you are back in school. But surely it is not too much to ask that your good grooming be maintained, that your personal habits reflect cleanliness and dignity and pride in the principles of the gospel you taught. We ask you, for the good of the kingdom and all those who have taken and still take pride in you, to live both the letter and the spirit of our dress and grooming and conduct codes. In the spirit of your mission commitments, I ask you to do it “on your honor.” Pride weakens us! Follow the brethren.

ruby71975 said...

09:55 AM
on May 25, 2011

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I think this topic is interesting... It has recalled to me a discussion my young women's class had many years ago, whether or not to pierce our ears. My teacher was young not much older than the girls in the class and she said that she prayed about it and felt that she should not have her ears pierced. So she didn't. I had already chose to pierce my ears. My point is wouldn't it be personal choice? Men can look clean and well groomed and have facial hair. And wouldn't it make sense, if you are not sure to pray about it?

canoelover said...

04:39 PM
on May 25, 2011

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Sunflower: You quote President Kimball here: "...But surely it is not too much to ask that your good grooming be maintained, that your personal habits reflect cleanliness and dignity and pride in the principles of the gospel you taught." First: "Good grooming be maintained..." Does that mean we must look like missionaries to be well-groomed? Second: "personal habits reflect cleanliness and dignity and pride in the principles of the Gospel you taught." Cleanliness: Is a beard necessarily more dirty? Dignity: Does having a beard make a man less dignified? Pride (the good kind): Does a man with a beard show contempt for the Gospel? I 100% agree with President Kimball. I also see nothing there that indicates a beard compromises any of those precepts. For the record, if I grow a beard I look like Bob Dylan, and these days I sport a very apostolic haircut...the Dallin H. Oaks style. :-) P.S. Isn't the devil often portrayed as clean-shaven? Satan in the Sistine Chapel is clean-shaven. Then again, he has a snake body, so your mileage may vary.

grizzly said...

09:30 PM
on May 25, 2011

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In my opinion I don't think it's anybody's bussiness if you have a beard or not. it should be about the bible say's judge not. I have a beard and it's my business. i'm a good person.

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09:40 PM
on May 25, 2011

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Bin Laden and Mitchell give beards a bad rap. I like beards. I always have. I think they look distinguished and add to a man’s demeanor. A good beard brings it’s own brand of masculinity and wisdom to an otherwise dull face. Abraham Lincoln, Brigham Young, Sigmund Freud, Chuck Norris, Wally Bloss are among some of the more famous beard wearers. Who would deny that Robert Redford had a really great beard in the movie, Jeremiah Johnson. I know they are old fashioned and largely out of style today, but I like em’. Maybe it’s because I grew up in the sixties. Most of the USU College of Natural Resources grads in my class had hair on their faces, including some of the women. My brother has sported a beard since 1970-something. My mom always hated his beard. She said it makes him look old. She’s right. It does, but, he’s an old hippie. What can I say? It matches his pony tail. Some years back, I bumped into a friend of mine who was a local pastor. He had grown a beard. I asked him if a pastor should be allowed to grow a beard. He told me that it was his little sign of “rebellion”. “Everyone needs to rebel a little, once in a while”, he said. “Besides… (here it comes, I knew he would go here..) “…Jesus had a beard”! A lot of guys in my ward, in Wellsville have goatees. Well, truth be known, what they are wearing is actually known as a Van Dyke or a Drake. A true goatee is just on the chin, no mustache. I’m not sure what it is that Alan Wolford is growing, but he certainly wears it proudly. One of my neighbors has a thing on his chin that looks like a Billie goat. You may remember my goat from my last letter to the editor. C’mon Nate, trim that thing. You’re going to step on it. My friend, Bob Hardy won the Festival of the American West beard growing contest in 1978. He won for the best handlebars, but not a handlebar mustache. He twisted the hairs under his lower lip. It was kind of like a dual mustache. Speaking of under the lip, Apollo Ono started a trend with a thing under his bottom lip he called a “Soul Patch”. Funny. Since the 70’s I had been calling that thing a “Zappa” after Frank. Someone, (a person I don't respect very much) told me once, “Either shave your face or plan on shutting down your business. You’ll never be successful in Cache Valley with a beard”. She’s probably right. I haven’t made a lot of money. I think facial hair scares a lot of people. I might have to give in and shave, but I’m keeping the mustache. After all, my name is Earl. The two most famous evil faces to appear in the pages of Utah newspapers during 2011 are Osama Bin Laden and Brian David Mitchell. They are ruining it for decent beard growers. I wonder if they cut off Osama’s beard to disgrace him before they dumped the body. I hope that when they lock Mitchell away for life they first shave his face.

bitherwack said...

03:51 AM
on May 27, 2011

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It is not good that man should be commanded in all things.

unclerog said...

06:00 AM
on May 27, 2011

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Facial hair is a fashion and style choice, not a worthiness issue. I believe that the church only has input on worthiness and anything else is an abuse of priesthood leadership. Think of the absurdity of the savior asking the apostles to become "Fishers of men" but we need to hit the barber first. Do you think the Lord possibly cares if you prefer a particular hairstyle, beard or modest clothing style? I think it it was is in your heart that is of import. Don't you?

peterpriesthood said...

07:19 PM
on May 28, 2011

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I was just wondering how these recommendations apply to women. I realize that it's not very often you see a woman with a beard, but hey it happens! Are these guidelines, ie missionary work and temple work, specifically for men, or do they apply to the scruffy woman as well? Would church guidelines supercede being diplomatic and trying not to hurt a woman's feelings?

rompex said...

05:11 PM
on May 29, 2011

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I don't believe President Hinkley ever said Aaronic Priesthood holders should be clean shaven. However, after serving in the Salt Lake Temple baptistry, for several weeks, the word came down that facial hair was not allowed. I was singing in the Utah Opera Chorus at the time which often requested facial hair be worn. I was given a choice: opera or temple. Since I had served in four bishoprics wearing neatly trimmed facial hair, and had even been complimented on my beard by President Kimball, I chose to keep my beard. I'm currently serving a service mission at Welfare Square, along with other "bearded" missionaries, and nobody says anything about it, which is as it should be. Meanwhile, I keep hoping that the Church will encompass a more congenial and accepting attitude on what is such an insignificant personal preference. If facial hair is such a "no!" "no!" for temple workers, why do we see so much facial hair depicted in temple films and art work?

bragdash said...

07:05 AM
on May 30, 2011

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This is the 1st time that I've read all of the comments. This is an interesting topic to me. I was so surprised to see all of this commentary on a personal choice. Of course there are better things to do with one's time (we could all be baptizing people, for instance). I don't think facial hair should be discussed at any level of the church. It's personal. Think about which is better: A bearded man at church on Sunday or at home? A smoker at church or at home? A sinner at church or at home? An unkempt person (by my standards) at church or at home? We are on a spiritual path and the one thing we all have in common is we are not at the end of it. I am so grateful I was loved as a newly baptized adult convert. I was accepted as I was and I was allowed to grow at my own speed in the Gospel. It is my prayer that everyone who doesn't "fit in" to a stake or ward's cultural norms can be accepted by the brothers and sisters of our church no matter the color of their skin, quality of their clothes, attention to their personal hygiene, harsh language, gossiping or word of wisdom issues. Let's say I have an offensive beard. Is it really? What has it ever done to you? Let’s say it smells bad. Is that a reason to judge me? Now let’s say I have an offensive personality. Is it my words that offend you or are you easily offended? Why won’t you love the unlovable? Is there not enough love to go around so you have to put the people you meet in a “lovable” or “unlovable” bucket? Why do you project your person likes and dislikes on others? Is it possible for you to see others as Jesus sees them? Would you like to think that it might be possible? It is possible. For those things that are so hard for you to understand; pray about them. Even in your (slightly) wicked state, your Heavenly Father may see fit to bless you with knowledge of the mysteries of the universe if it is what's best for you. I was born in 1967 and beards have never held any social stigma for me. Tie-dye shirts used to mean “hippie” to me but today it means some craft sister just got her hands dirty and exercised some creativity. Is there something wrong with wearing a tie-dyed tie while passing out the Sacrament? How about rainbows? I love rainbows, but today if you wear a rainbow t-shirt some may think you support gay rights. Do you see show cultural norms are constantly changing? That’s why it is fruitless to bring topics like facial hair into Gospel discussions. One day you look like a prophet of old, the next everyone thinks you’re on the hippie lettuce.

wmguymon said...

08:33 PM
on Jun 01, 2011

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The only reason that the Son had facial hair in his life is because it was tradition to do so. I imagine that if his mortal life had taken place in our day he would have been clean shaven.

lone1 said...

09:12 PM
on Jul 23, 2011

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While Free Agency is always respected and while following blindly can lead one to Revelation, when done so in the Purity of Faith; following blindly or in ignorance is never an acceptable, proper and wise way in which to proceed forward. One should always strive to an understanding of the depths of THE Greatest knowledge which can BE Known!!! Those points being prefaced... Having been taught by the ways of the teachings and examples of the Missionaries who introduced us to the Restored Gospel and Church, we were taught that, President & Prophet David O. McKay along with the original example of The Prophet Joseph Smith Jr., taught that the Standard for the Church in entirety would be the same Standards set by those with the responsibility to carry the Gospel throughout the entire world. That there is also symbolism in the way that all Priesthood holders should present themselves and thereby be an example and light unto the world in entirety. Being clean shaven is an archetype of Cleanliness and thereby Purity. As the natural man appears daily in the form of stubble, the daily habit of taking action that is NOT like water, always seeking the path of least resistance, daily shaving can act as a daily reminder and outward symbol in a commitment of and to overcome the natural man. With a few exceptions it is Best for the individual to adhere to this practice; the exceptions in part being an individual's preference or personal choice to cosmetically enhance one's perceived appearance due to a cleft pellet or a "weak" chin. Additionally is another example which also can be found within the wearing of a dress white shirt to Sunday worship meetings; a symbol again of yearning for Cleanliness and Purity Within oneself. The devolving of and ignoring of these time honored Standards and reminders is an example of other more recent devaluing of Gospel time Honored traditions, Standards, and teachings besetting our continuing fallen and falling moral Standards of society worldwide in general. It is sure that much more can be said on this topic; but, to conclude why should it matter to Honor certain Standards and traditions of what some repeatedly espouse to be a bygone era? Any remembrance or True symbolic representation which strives to remind us to remember to strive to our Highest and Best and seek to attain our own self-mastery is worthy of recognition, praise, honor and adherence to.

srcricket said...

03:51 PM
on Aug 02, 2011

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I currently have a goatee, which I love and feel it actually improves my looks because of a weight problem I have. I have also been "shaven." I try not to use the words "clean shaven" because they imply that a beard is "dirty", which if cared for properly, is simply not true. The beard issue is perplexing. Some use the beard issue as a way of saying that we need to show greater obedience by being shaven. I can understand that rationale. I have never met anyone who is completely obedient -- we all have work to do and don't obey as perfectly as we should in one area or another. Even the most righteous looking among us have some rough spots. What is more interesting to note, is that the church appears to be OK with presenting profiles of members who are wearing beards on their missionary website, even while the restrictions remain in place for employees, missionaries, BYU students, and Temple workers, as well as in individual stakes, where leaders take differing positions. When people say we should follow the example of the prophets, I agree. Where and what is the most important aspect of their examples, however, or what are we supposed to do and what is not really required in the life of a disciple? Is a neatly trimmed beard preventing a person from worthily giving a priesthood blessing or performing service for the elderly, or bearing testimony? For instance, a person could shave in an effort of obedience to look like the prophets, but if "dress and grooming" are the standard to follow, then shouldn't that same person also consider wearing a suit, white shirt, and tie at all times except when playing sports or doing labor work? It sounds like a silly question, I know, but technically it could be taken to that extreme, even in a sincere effort. I love my neatly and carefully daily groomed beard. I'll probably shave it sometime soon, and mostly because I don't want to give somebody a bad impression. That said, I really don't feel there's anything wrong with having it, and I haven't felt any impression that it is wrong to have, either. I do sincerely respect the feelings of all the views expressed, whether or not in agreement.

dwilliams said...

02:37 PM
on Aug 15, 2011

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My husband has a goatee and I don't mind his good ol' five o' clock shadow either. And he's a good, godly LDS man. Whether he shaves his beard or not, he'll always have a mustache because it grows so fast it's useless to even try to fight it.

german_lds_member said...

08:04 AM
on Aug 24, 2011

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Since there is nothing in scripture neither any official word from the prophet or any church leader I don't really understand why we are having this discussion. It's up to every man's own mind whether or not he prefers to grow a beard or not.

rachelpointe said...

06:30 AM
on Sep 22, 2011

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I swear, these topics get more and more judgmental every day. Beards? Really? Please. Christ had a beard. You gonna tell him he can't be our Savior now?

kimmybailey said...

09:31 AM
on Sep 22, 2011

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We as latter day saints need to put our efforts into our own lives and know we are doing all we can do to be who the Lord wants us to be....LOVE all for who they are!! They are the Lords children. Who are we to judge others-- Hair grows on our bodies in places our Heavenly Father intended and for intended reasons. Warmth, protection to name a few. Is it right to judge a man as a heathen because he has facial hair? Would the Lord? NO...Love our neighbors!!! Some of the MOST loving men I know wear facial hair in some fashion...Lets see the inner beauty of that person...who are we to judge? We are not to judge.

kimmybailey said...

09:35 AM
on Sep 22, 2011

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Lone 1--nicely stated, but are you telling me the Lord was unclean because he had facial hair? Cleanliness is pureness of heart...and taking care of this tabernacle that has been given to us.

kimmybailey said...

09:42 AM
on Sep 22, 2011

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bragdash---non truer words written--- thank you for your commnets...as a relief society president living in rural OK, I welcomed those who came to church to feel the love of their fellow brothers and sisters and knew they were loved for who they were ...not dismissed and left out due to imperfections of what they had fallen bound to--such a smoking, drinking etc... Some of us live in a bubble world! Time to break that bubble and open ourselves to doing the work we were out here to do!!!

dottie said...

03:09 PM
on Sep 22, 2011

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My husband and I have been married for 24 years. He had a full beard when I met him and I loved it then and love it now. He did shave it off when we went to the temple in 1988 because the Stake President said he couldn't have a temple recommend unless he shaved. So he did. He kept clean-shaven until late 1989 when we moved to a new state and thus a new stake and found that our branch president had a beard. My husband regrew his beard and has had it ever since. I LIKE his beard. I WANT him to keep it. I think MY feelings should matter.

dottie said...

03:26 PM
on Sep 22, 2011

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And in case anyone wonders, I am the Relief Society president in our Branch and my husband is the executive secretary for the Branch President. We have both held other callings throughout the years and no one else has told him he had to shave his beard off. I hope they never do because I might have a word or two to say about it if they do.

ginni said...

02:58 PM
on Sep 26, 2011

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My husband and myself are converts and have seen a lot of different wards. We currently live in Alaska and towards the end of summer my husband starts growing his 'beard' and lets his hair grow longer. The reason, insulation against the cold winter winds. In the spring it comes off again. Personally I like a well trimmed beard or mustache.

bluesman said...

01:29 PM
on Sep 27, 2011

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I've had a trimmed mustache & beard for 40 years. I'm a convert of over 25 years. Sealed in the Temple & have a Temple recommend.I have 2 sons that are Eagle Scouts. Been a Scouter for over 16 years. Went to the Senior Mission Training Center in Provo with a trimmed mustache & beard. No one has ever said that I could not or should not be what I am. What's more important is what you are, and not judge people by what they look like. Love them all, their all Hevenly Fathers

jimmarq said...

03:29 PM
on Oct 31, 2011

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It's sad that so many members of the church define members of the church by things other than true doctrine of Jesus Christ. I grew a goatee partially so that my kids would know that people with facial hair aren't bad people, or outsiders that should not be trusted. Also, I'd like to think that if somebody with a beard visits church for the first time, my presence might make them feel a bit more comfortable. As a missionary in Guatemala, I had investigators feel out of place because they were the only ones with facial hair. People should not have to feel like that.

michaelm said...

12:06 AM
on Nov 01, 2011

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I find this discussion interesting, and interesting how much Church members and local leaders talk with great specifics about how men dress and look. But never any detail about women, I think culturally they are too afraid to offend the easily offended women. Sure they are told to be modest just as them men and boys. But We routinely see women all over the country as I travel with bizarre hair styles, way too tight clothes, the cliche Bishop or Stake President's wife who shows off way too much cleavage, the women with burlap or canvas bags passing as dresses who we all know can afford nicer clothes, the t-shirts that women and girls wear that could not be more casual, girls in flip flops, in hooker platform shoes, in leggings with no underwear and a longish blouse as the dress that they all to well know is not covering anything and no one says a word. I'm tired of the conversions about white shirts and no facial hair. Lets spend the next few decades discussing the many ways in which women flaunt and ignore dress codes, or no longer even try to do Sunday best or for church. I'll start feeling bad about wearing a pink dress shirt or shaving my goatee when I stop seeing half of the women in my stake wearing t-shirts and denim jumpers, or clothes where they did not pi up, pull back or purchased over sized garments so they can stretch the rules and dress immodestly while claiming Temple standards. Its long been a double standard and until it is evened out I will not accept a leader telling me I cannot serve due to my shirt color or facial hair, until those same leaders ask their wives and daughters to stop serving or being considered worthy for they many ways the poorly dress too. Rant is done

justbreathe said...

12:02 PM
on Nov 13, 2011

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This shouldn't be an issue? Then why make it one? Relax. Other things are more important. You said it. Facial hair shouldn't matter. Don't let it. Give it up. Err on the side of caution.

justbreathe said...

12:02 PM
on Nov 13, 2011

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This shouldn't be an issue? Then why make it one? Relax. Other things are more important. You said it. Facial hair shouldn't matter. Don't let it. Give it up. Err on the side of caution.

justbreathe said...

01:04 PM
on Nov 13, 2011

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I thought I should add, I just googled this topic and this article came up. I have 7 sons and wanted to give educated counsel to them. Reading all the comments was fascinating. So many fun personalities out there. My oldest son is 18 year old and grows a manly, well groomed gotee. He's proud of it, which I think is kind of cute. I haven't really cared. But earlier today, a thought came to me, should I? It was a quiet, reflective moment. That's why I googled this topic. My son is considered a role model to the ward, Stake and community, with many young boys coming up in the ranks. He is an athlete, State Champion, Eagle Scout, musician, scholar, seminary graduate, and keeps the all the commandments he knows of. He's an exceptional kid and I would never want to "strain at a gnat". But it came to me that whether I want to make an issue of this topic or not, it IS an issue to many that my boys will work with and be aware of...perhaps indefinitely. And does Heavenly Father care, and if so, why, and what is it that he cares about? Although I am still exploring and praying about this topic, after reading all these comments, and the quotes from talks, the ones that feel right to me are the humble ones who had a change of heart, and were willing to err on the side of caution. Several people were chill...like, "Yes I had a beard for years, and when I sensed or heard that it was an issue or was asked to shave, I got rid of it." End of issue for them. Wow. Refreshingly humble! Either way, they are going to blessed. You know it. They aren't going to let anything get in the way of their journey home to Father. Any mother would wish for her sons to be like that. I am going to have my sons read over all these comments, and other things and pray about it. They will know what to do. The cream rises to the top. Their lives will go better if they are humble and thoughtful of others around them and do what the spirit whispers to them, even about the little things.

kennyray said...

07:08 AM
on Dec 13, 2011

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It's really kind of funny. I've had a beard off and on for more than 30 years (once I graduated from BYU they started! I have served in many callings including Bishop. I was NEVER ask, not one time to shave (and I was in plenty of places where if that's what a GA wanted they could have ask!). It fully reminds me about a stake president who once ask me an off-script temple question which was actually none of his business. I VERY politely told him it was none of his business. He finished with the standard questions and then gave me the recommend. The problem is when church leaders start injecting their opinion where they ought not. The missionary program standards are a little different -- you are a full-time representative of the church. As bishop I never busted anyones chops over such a trivial thing. I was FAR more concerned that they got their home teaching done. The 70's are over! Whatever 'statement' folks were trying to make back then are LONG gone! The only thing a beard says now is: I have hair on my face! Excepting for missionaries, and perhaps some locations for temple workers, there is NO official stance on facial hair and to suggest otherwise is merely silly.

va1 said...

10:53 AM
on Dec 26, 2011

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Elder Oaks gave a talk years ago about how grooming standards change over the years and that facial hair may become widely used by men in the Church in the future. There are unwritten policies and guidelines that exist today in the Church today. As with a lot of teachings members come to an understanding after doing their own study, pondering, and prayer on a topic. So why would the Church recommend that Mormon Tabernacle Choir members, BYU students, missionaries, and General Authorities, temple presidencies have no beards? When a missionary returns from his mission the Handbook states, "Encourage him to maintain high standards,... including grooming." Elder Ballard in several talks has spoken to returned missionaries to keep their clean appearance including grooming. Sure we can debate the interpretation of all these comments. But as many have already mentioned there is a reason why all General Authorities are clean shaven. They are setting the example and members should see the example and not have to be told to follow the example. To me it is a easy example to follow.

ignoramus said...

02:37 PM
on Jan 14, 2012

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Ignoramus means "We don't know" in Latin. The only reason to shave is if you are going into battle against barbarians, you don't want to be confused about who to whack. Beardless is the identifier of a Roman warrior. Why would anybody want to identify with the first oppressors of Christianity? Just thinking.

garym said...

04:58 PM
on Jan 20, 2012

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Several previous comments were tied to the thoughts that since the decades of the 1960s and 70s, the culture of the church leadership has been to foster a businesslike image and not have something that could be labeled as rebellious. My guess is that during the 1950s, clean shaven was encouraged because the church was still trying to distinguish itself from other religious organizations that may encourage facial hair and demonstrate a break from it's own pioneer past.

hilbilly said...

10:25 PM
on Feb 17, 2012

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As someone who is looking into Mormonism, the fact that this is an issue at all is quite unnerving. And reading things like the comment from crunchem, "...and scratching their husbands back like a monkey through the whole sacrament? Geesh, I witnessed a whole visiting family once where all the siblings rubbed each others backs and necks the whole meeting. Get a room!" ensures that I'll never really feel comfortable taking my family to meet, worship with, or just be around people in the Mormon church. Do I really have to submit to being judged by all of you to find my way to heaven?

rickbob said...

01:59 PM
on Mar 13, 2012

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There is nothing in Church handbooks regarding facial hair. But I had an interview with a General Authority when they came down to reorganize our Stake Presidency. He suggested that brethren in leadership positions (I was on the High Council.) should emulate the brethren inwardly and outwardly with regard to grooming standards. He didn't ask me to shave off my mustache, but the Spirit prompted me to do it. I have never been so spiritually blessed. I notices the next day in Priesthood leadership meeting that my Bishop had shaved off his beard. I talked with him and he did it BEFORE his interview the the GA. He, too, was prompted by the Spirit. Bottom line - there is no problems with facial hair. There are no teachings regarding facial hair. If you feel comfortable with facial hair, keep it. . . I should mention that male temple workers in the Nashville Temple are to be clean shaven. . .

tennessee said...

07:30 AM
on Mar 14, 2012

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Many correctly point out that banning or permitting facial hair is changeable policy, rather than doctrine. In the early 20th Century missionaries were often asked to grow facial hair to appear more conservative. For the past 50 or sixty years missionaries have been told the opposite, again to appear more conservative. Several commenters have said we should not chaff at a particular leader's decision to deny church priviledges to those who are not clean shaven, but that we should humbly submit. However, if we do not feel the chaff, there is no real decision to be humble. Most men are not humbly submitting, they are just doing what they want to do when they remain clean shaven. I pretty much can't grow hair, so I really am not humbly submitting. Those who chaff, but choose to submit, are the few that are making a humble sacrifice, and they will be blessed. Those who do not humbly submit lose out. Finally, how often does a local priesthood leader violate the principles of D & C 121 when they ask/require men to shave to receive the full benefits of the gospel under their dominion? Whether the request is right or wrong, those who humbly submit will be blessed. But priesthood leaders should always avoid denying blessings based upon their personal prejudices or their desire to make themselves look better when visited by presiding authorities. It is never right to deny anyone gospel blessings based upon our personal pride or prejudices.

ryanandrew said...

07:57 AM
on Mar 17, 2012

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I'm the great-great-great grandson of the man in that photo and I'm with Bill and Mike. We have enough real commandments that we don't need pet ones too. I work outside all the time and winters here are brutal. I shave my beard off once every two months to start fresh and for about a week afterwards I take a ski mask to work. Excuse, I know. Many men look better with a clean trimmed beard, myself included, even my wife says so. Happily nobody has ever asked me to shave my beard for a calling, I think they just want me to serve to the best of my ability and they aren't worried about my hair style.

paule.morris4c-rma_emt_bdls said...

02:58 PM
on Jul 01, 2012

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http://mormon.org/me/3ZWW/# Please take a very close look at my Face, and tell me directly I can not be in the Mormon Tabernacle Choir, ( Many people say I should very much be in the MT Choir BTW) or work as a Temple Veil Worker, Sealer, or become a Bishop/Stake President... I will shave my Beard if called( This has been clearly mentioned in my lengthy Patriarchal Blessing) to be a Mission President... Yet, will RE-Grow it after I am released... Am I NOT living worthy to receive all the Lord hath simply because I choose to have a full Beard on my Face? Am I somehow going to be denied entry into the Highest Level of the Celestial Kingdom if I happen to pass from this Life to the next having died here on Earth wearing a full Beard upon my Face? Do you think I am in ANY way disobeying ANY of Heavenly Father's Commandments having a Full Beard? If so, please reply with the Reference(s) listed in the General Handbook of handed down from the First Presidentcy... Is Father in Heaven displeased with me in ANY way, or happen to love me ANY less because of my full Beard?

milocraft said...

07:23 PM
on Jan 17, 2013

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Every argument you can make about not being able to "draw the line" on beard standards can be made about hair on top of heads too. So if we have to ban beards because it is too hard to define acceptable standards then we should all just go bald, Including women.

ldsknack said...

03:47 AM
on May 04, 2013

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if you "catch the vision" of the Mormon.org "I am a Mormon" campaign, you will notice the Church is wanting the diversity of its members to shine. We are not a cult. We do not all look the same. We do not have a uniform. the old timers do t like the change and the women don't like the beards. So we need some manliness in the church and we need to show the world the Spirit doesn't only reside in a white shirt, clean shaven, sheep. We are asked to develop our own testimonies and we should express our testimonies in our own manner. you can dress like a general authority everyday. I will be myself and try to live that example that brings people to be interested in the church. we have had a general authority visit our stake to quell a stake pres from excluding caffeine users from receiving recommends. we have had youth leave the youth leaders because the leaders thought mission length hair was the most important rule. really? love unconditionally. catch the vision of diversity. I am a Mormon! with a beard.

paulw said...

03:03 PM
on Oct 13, 2013

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Beard Men is working to change this. http://user.xmission.com/~wake/beardmen.html
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